Keep Manny Lawson or part ways? | Page 6

dtmoney49er · 2011-07-20T23:42:53-07:00

I think we will be making a mistake by letting him go without a chance in Jim's system, this may be another Julian Peterson type of situation. Even though Julian was better but i see us regretting it some day if we cut him.

Jul 24, 2011 at 11:42 AM

#76

btthepunk
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Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
What I keep hearing is Manny on one side and Aldon on the other.

Odd man out should be Parys. I personally like Ahmad Brooks better than Parys

I think everyone does.

I really hope we keep Lawson, I doubt it though. I'll be rooting for him to breakout somewhere else, as long as its not Dallas.
I put him in the mismanaged group with Alex and Jason Hill.

Jul 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM

#77

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I say keep Manny. Yes, we did not draft him for his coverage abilities, but we also did not know that he would do so well in coverage. He also gives us some extra speed and experience. Cut Parys.

Jul 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM

#78

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Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
I say keep Manny. Yes, we did not draft him for his coverage abilities, but we also did not know that he would do so well in coverage. He also gives us some extra speed and experience. Cut Parys.

Jul 24, 2011 at 1:18 PM

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Not a true 3-4 OLB, I think hes better suited for the 4-3

I bet the seahawks get him and he plays great for them

Jul 24, 2011 at 1:20 PM

#80

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Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
What I keep hearing is Manny on one side and Aldon on the other.

Odd man out should be Parys. I personally like Ahmad Brooks better than Parys

I think everyone does.

I really hope we keep Lawson, I doubt it though. I'll be rooting for him to breakout somewhere else, as long as its not Dallas.
I put him in the mismanaged group with Alex and Jason Hill.

How do you think he should have been managed differently? He's been given lots of opportunities to develop into a good pass rusher.

Jul 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM

#81

dj43
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Originally posted by cwilson830:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
What I keep hearing is Manny on one side and Aldon on the other.

Odd man out should be Parys. I personally like Ahmad Brooks better than Parys

I think everyone does.

I really hope we keep Lawson, I doubt it though. I'll be rooting for him to breakout somewhere else, as long as its not Dallas.
I put him in the mismanaged group with Alex and Jason Hill.

How do you think he should have been managed differently? He's been given lots of opportunities to develop into a good pass rusher.

The problem is that the 49ers looked at his college production and thought they saw a pass rusher.

The truth is, because he was playing opposite Mario Williams, who always drew an extra blocker, Manny was able to get pressure on the QB. It wasn't that Lawson was such an awesome one-on-one pass rusher.

So what the 49ers did get was a very good all-round OLB who could put pressure on the QB on occasion but that was not his greatest strength. It wasn't a lack of time to develop, it was just a complete misjudgment by the 49ers in the draft.

The question now is; do you let a very good OLB walk away with nothing in return, or do you assume Aldon Smith will become a Mario Williams for Lawson and he will become even more valuable in the future?

Jul 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM

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RT @shalisemyoung #Patriots news: Tully Banta-Cain underwent surgery for abdominal tear on Friday. > N.E. might go after UFA Manny Lawson.

It'd be as good a fit as he could find on a 3-4 team. I still think he goes 4-3 if he's smart.

Jul 24, 2011 at 2:01 PM

#83

wysiwyg
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
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RT @shalisemyoung #Patriots news: Tully Banta-Cain underwent surgery for abdominal tear on Friday. > N.E. might go after UFA Manny Lawson.

It'd be as good a fit as he could find on a 3-4 team. I still think he goes 4-3 if he's smart.

Tully Banta Cain was playing golf in a tournament at Harding 2 weeks ago . . . Coincidence?

I think not

Jul 24, 2011 at 2:01 PM

#84

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I'm definetely in the "Keep Lawson" Camp

He is fast, athletic, great in coverage, and can put pressure on the QB at times. I think he could really excel in Fangio's new system which will be a more aggressive 3-4 blitzing scheme. Lawson is one of those players that you can just see breaking out in the right setting, hopefully he is a 49er when that happens and not playing against us.

and yea cut Parys

Jul 24, 2011 at 2:04 PM

#85

wysiwyg
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by cwilson830:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
What I keep hearing is Manny on one side and Aldon on the other.

Odd man out should be Parys. I personally like Ahmad Brooks better than Parys

I think everyone does.

I really hope we keep Lawson, I doubt it though. I'll be rooting for him to breakout somewhere else, as long as its not Dallas.
I put him in the mismanaged group with Alex and Jason Hill.

How do you think he should have been managed differently? He's been given lots of opportunities to develop into a good pass rusher.
The problem is that the 49ers looked at his college production and thought they saw a pass rusher.

The truth is, because he was playing opposite Mario Williams, who always drew an extra blocker, Manny was able to get pressure on the QB. It wasn't that Lawson was such an awesome one-on-one pass rusher.

So what the 49ers did get was a very good all-round OLB who could put pressure on the QB on occasion but that was not his greatest strength. It wasn't a lack of time to develop, it was just a complete misjudgment by the 49ers in the draft.

The question now is; do you let a very good OLB walk away with nothing in return, or do you assume Aldon Smith will become a Mario Williams for Lawson and he will become even more valuable in the future?

As long as we pay him as a very good OLB, no problems. He definitely has a role. Same with Franklin. If both those guys want top 5 money, you have to let them walk.

I like Manny and what he brings to the team. But he is not Ware or Harrison and should not be paid accordingly.

Jul 24, 2011 at 2:15 PM

#86

ninergold
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I agree. Lawson is a good OLB on first and second down. He's also a demon on special teams. He's not a pass rusher and shouldn't get paid as an elite OLB. But he can be a valuable asset to the team and a solid starter.

Jul 24, 2011 at 7:29 PM

#87

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
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MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
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RT @shalisemyoung #Patriots news: Tully Banta-Cain underwent surgery for abdominal tear on Friday. > N.E. might go after UFA Manny Lawson.

It'd be as good a fit as he could find on a 3-4 team. I still think he goes 4-3 if he's smart.

If the Pats want him, for this reason alone we should sign his ass. Obviously, they see talent, because they would have to pay him some pretty decent cheddar. Dont kid yourself (not you wrathman), this isn't a TBC league minumum acquisition. I'll be pissed in NE pays him nice and he blows up there.

Jul 25, 2011 at 12:52 AM

#88

dtmoney49er
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Originally posted by ItsKapTime:
Not a true 3-4 OLB, I think hes better suited for the 4-3

I bet the seahawks get him and he plays great for them

thats what am afraid of. its gona be julian petterson all over again. Kap is that you?

Jul 25, 2011 at 1:34 AM

#89

AlohaBruh
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
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MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
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RT @shalisemyoung #Patriots news: Tully Banta-Cain underwent surgery for abdominal tear on Friday. > N.E. might go after UFA Manny Lawson.

It'd be as good a fit as he could find on a 3-4 team. I still think he goes 4-3 if he's smart.

If the Pats want him, for this reason alone we should sign his ass. Obviously, they see talent, because they would have to pay him some pretty decent cheddar. Dont kid yourself (not you wrathman), this isn't a TBC league minumum acquisition. I'll be pissed in NE pays him nice and he blows up there.

I bet thats what happens

Jul 25, 2011 at 3:45 AM

#90

Mr.Mcgibblets
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Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Quote:
MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
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RT @shalisemyoung #Patriots news: Tully Banta-Cain underwent surgery for abdominal tear on Friday. > N.E. might go after UFA Manny Lawson.

It'd be as good a fit as he could find on a 3-4 team. I still think he goes 4-3 if he's smart.

If the Pats want him, for this reason alone we should sign his ass. Obviously, they see talent, because they would have to pay him some pretty decent cheddar. Dont kid yourself (not you wrathman), this isn't a TBC league minumum acquisition. I'll be pissed in NE pays him nice and he blows up there.

I bet thats what happens

Why wouldn't it? TBC produced sacks... came to us and did zip... went back to NE to put up 9.5 sacks the next year. People here said TBC sucked and couldn't play. NE should have showed those people that TBC did not suck... and that it was our defensive scheme that was in fact full of suck.