To be or NOT to be - Crabtree

Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Seriously, you guys who call to trade Crabtree because he is not practicing in voluntary, player organized workouts are far more annoying than any "diva" receiver who has ever played this game.

These guys are pro athletes, all judgement should be left on the field. You guys don't have to like this guys personality, workout routine etc. but until he steps on the field and shows the work he put in this offseason we all are basing any judgement purely from a totally off base and biased standpoint.

I agree! While Crabtree seems to be a diva, he is nowhere near the diva TO was/is or Chad OC. He may turn out to be a very good receiver and last I checked he is the best chance the 9ers have to be just that...so while it's interesting to discuss his eccentricities, trade talk is extremely premature.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Seriously, you guys who call to trade Crabtree because he is not practicing in voluntary, player organized workouts are far more annoying than any "diva" receiver who has ever played this game.

These guys are pro athletes, all judgement should be left on the field. You guys don't have to like this guys personality, workout routine etc. but until he steps on the field and shows the work he put in this offseason we all are basing any judgement purely from a totally off base and biased standpoint.

I agree! While Crabtree seems to be a diva, he is nowhere near the diva TO was/is or Chad OC. He may turn out to be a very good receiver and last I checked he is the best chance the 9ers have to be just that...so while it's interesting to discuss his eccentricities, trade talk is extremely premature.

Crabtree is a loner, TO is a diva, Chad Ocho has a big mouth. While there is a difference between all 3, they all feel the teams chances of winning improves if they touch the ball as much as possible. This is the mark of a gamer, not a nuisance. Crabtree does not remind me of any of these guys off the field. I wouldn't mind at all if he reminded me of any on the field

Originally posted by smashmouth51:
When you spend more time shopping at Neeman Marcus than learning the playbook, everyone knows what kind of dedication you have.

He has a personal copy of the playbook and took part in every Alex Smith-led classroom session, which were team organized base installations of the playbook.

Originally posted by RichmondPete:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Seriously, you guys who call to trade Crabtree because he is not practicing in voluntary, player organized workouts are far more annoying than any "diva" receiver who has ever played this game.

These guys are pro athletes, all judgement should be left on the field. You guys don't have to like this guys personality, workout routine etc. but until he steps on the field and shows the work he put in this offseason we all are basing any judgement purely from a totally off base and biased standpoint.

I agree! While Crabtree seems to be a diva, he is nowhere near the diva TO was/is or Chad OC. He may turn out to be a very good receiver and last I checked he is the best chance the 9ers have to be just that...so while it's interesting to discuss his eccentricities, trade talk is extremely premature.

Crabtree is a loner. TO was a diva, Chad Ocho has a big mouth. While there is a difference between all 3, they all feel the teams chances of winning improves if they touch the ball as much as possible. This is the mark of a gamer, not a nuisance. Crabtree does not remind me of any of these guys off the field. I wouldn't mind at all if he reminded me of any on the field

Many WRs are divas and all divas have their own personalities. Crabtree evades the press which gives them a reason to write about him based on his limited input--other people's opinions rule the day. Not right, but many athletes would rather have bad press than talk to the press.

I liked Crabtree in college and would love to see that player evolve into an NFL version. He was a man among boys.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Seriously, you guys who call to trade Crabtree because he is not practicing in voluntary, player organized workouts are far more annoying than any "diva" receiver who has ever played this game.

These guys are pro athletes, all judgement should be left on the field. You guys don't have to like this guys personality, workout routine etc. but until he steps on the field and shows the work he put in this offseason we all are basing any judgement purely from a totally off base and biased standpoint.

I agree! While Crabtree seems to be a diva, he is nowhere near the diva TO was/is or Chad OC. He may turn out to be a very good receiver and last I checked he is the best chance the 9ers have to be just that...so while it's interesting to discuss his eccentricities, trade talk is extremely premature.

I dont think you guys understand the meaning of the word Diva. TO and Chad aren't diva's they are loud mouths. They b***h because they want to win, but they never give up on their team. As much as you might not like TO, he worked harder than anyone on the team. Diva's dont play lights out in the Superbowl (Eagles/Pats) with a busted ankle. TO might be a lot of things, but a diva he is not. I can say with complete confidence that Crabtree will never, ever , ever be half the WR TO is. Everything that Crabs does screams Diva. The dude quits at the first sign of adversity, whether physical or situational. He's a p***y and a waste of talent.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:


I dont think you guys understand the meaning of the word Diva. TO and Chad aren't diva's they are loud mouths. They b***h because they want to win, but they never give up on their team. As much as you might not like TO, he worked harder than anyone on the team. Diva's dont play lights out in the Superbowl (Eagles/Pats) with a busted ankle. TO might be a lot of things, but a diva he is not. I can say with complete confidence that Crabtree will never, ever , ever be half the WR TO is. Everything that Crabs does screams Diva. The dude quits at the first sign of adversity, whether physical or situational. He's a p***y and a waste of talent.

Diva comes from Opera and means an excellent (but sometimes moody) female singer. TO and Chad fit the bill as they have produced on the field but then do things to draw attention to themselves, whether it impacts the team negatively or not. TO doing a dance on the Cowboys star would be an example of a Diva move, as does someone who complains that their stats are being adversely affected by other good players getting the ball.

TO and Chad want to win but they also want the ball in their hands when they win. I don't see either sacrificing for the team...although TO finally started blocking downfield.

Crabtree has always been in elite shape because he has a very strenuous workout regimen in Texas. He did seem to dodge some balls last year and I do worry he is constantly weighing whether he should go all out based on whether he thinks the team is going to win. Odd as he did not do this in college. Perhaps it was his discomfort with Smith, but that would be a bad sign indeed. Still too early to judge him though.

Originally posted by smashmouth51:
When you spend more time shopping at Neeman Marcus than learning the playbook, everyone knows what kind of dedication you have.

do you know what Vernon and Gore were doing during the "camp choke"?
Is that dedication...

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:


I dont think you guys understand the meaning of the word Diva. TO and Chad aren't diva's they are loud mouths. They b***h because they want to win, but they never give up on their team. As much as you might not like TO, he worked harder than anyone on the team. Diva's dont play lights out in the Superbowl (Eagles/Pats) with a busted ankle. TO might be a lot of things, but a diva he is not. I can say with complete confidence that Crabtree will never, ever , ever be half the WR TO is. Everything that Crabs does screams Diva. The dude quits at the first sign of adversity, whether physical or situational. He's a p***y and a waste of talent.

Diva comes from Opera and means an excellent (but sometimes moody) female singer. TO and Chad fit the bill as they have produced on the field but then do things to draw attention to themselves, whether it impacts the team negatively or not. TO doing a dance on the Cowboys star would be an example of a Diva move, as does someone who complains that their stats are being adversely affected by other good players getting the ball.
TO and Chad want to win but they also want the ball in their hands when they win. I don't see either sacrificing for the team...although TO finally started blocking downfield.

Crabtree has always been in elite shape because he has a very strenuous workout regimen in Texas. He did seem to dodge some balls last year and I do worry he is constantly weighing whether he should go all out based on whether he thinks the team is going to win. Odd as he did not do this in college. Perhaps it was his discomfort with Smith, but that would be a bad sign indeed. Still too early to judge him though.

Looks like I stand corrected. With that said, I would much rather have TO/Chad and their Diva ways than a passive aggressive, cry baby that doesn't work hard. I dont give a crap if he runs a million bleachers by himself, this a team game not a triathlon. I also disagree that it's too early to judge him. My issue isn't really with his production as much as it is his personality. I'm pretty sure the Crabtree we've seen the last couple of years is the real Crabtree. Our only hope for him to change is for us to start becoming perennial Superbowl contenders.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Seriously, you guys who call to trade Crabtree because he is not practicing in voluntary, player organized workouts are far more annoying than any "diva" receiver who has ever played this game.

These guys are pro athletes, all judgement should be left on the field. You guys don't have to like this guys personality, workout routine etc. but until he steps on the field and shows the work he put in this offseason we all are basing any judgement purely from a totally off base and biased standpoint.

I agree! While Crabtree seems to be a diva, he is nowhere near the diva TO was/is or Chad OC. He may turn out to be a very good receiver and last I checked he is the best chance the 9ers have to be just that...so while it's interesting to discuss his eccentricities, trade talk is extremely premature.

I dont think you guys understand the meaning of the word Diva. TO and Chad aren't diva's they are loud mouths. They b***h because they want to win, but they never give up on their team. As much as you might not like TO, he worked harder than anyone on the team. Diva's dont play lights out in the Superbowl (Eagles/Pats) with a busted ankle. TO might be a lot of things, but a diva he is not. I can say with complete confidence that Crabtree will never, ever , ever be half the WR TO is. Everything that Crabs does screams Diva. The dude quits at the first sign of adversity, whether physical or situational. He's a p***y and a waste of talent.

You mad bro?

Originally posted by pelos21:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:
Seriously, you guys who call to trade Crabtree because he is not practicing in voluntary, player organized workouts are far more annoying than any "diva" receiver who has ever played this game.

These guys are pro athletes, all judgement should be left on the field. You guys don't have to like this guys personality, workout routine etc. but until he steps on the field and shows the work he put in this offseason we all are basing any judgement purely from a totally off base and biased standpoint.

I agree! While Crabtree seems to be a diva, he is nowhere near the diva TO was/is or Chad OC. He may turn out to be a very good receiver and last I checked he is the best chance the 9ers have to be just that...so while it's interesting to discuss his eccentricities, trade talk is extremely premature.

I dont think you guys understand the meaning of the word Diva. TO and Chad aren't diva's they are loud mouths. They b***h because they want to win, but they never give up on their team. As much as you might not like TO, he worked harder than anyone on the team. Diva's dont play lights out in the Superbowl (Eagles/Pats) with a busted ankle. TO might be a lot of things, but a diva he is not. I can say with complete confidence that Crabtree will never, ever , ever be half the WR TO is. Everything that Crabs does screams Diva. The dude quits at the first sign of adversity, whether physical or situational. He's a p***y and a waste of talent.

You mad bro?

To quote a famous rap song, " I dont know about you, but I got issues."

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
He's a p***y and a waste of talent.

This made me chuckle pretty good, and I don't do that enough while reading from this forum, thanks. I tend to think you are right... I see p***y from him too when I read his eyes and mannerisms.... BUT I am not at the point where I'm gonna write him off as a bust pick or anything like that. Not yet.

I will gladly wear my Crabtree jersey this year!

Screw you haters, I won't give up on the kid now just because a few fat internet junkies think his personality doesn't fit their taste.

Originally posted by Chief:
I will gladly wear my Crabtree jersey this year!

Screw you haters, I won't give up on the kid now just because a few fat internet junkies think his personality doesn't fit their taste.

F**k Yeah!!

Originally posted by Chief:
I will gladly wear my Crabtree jersey this year!

Screw you haters, I won't give up on the kid now just because a few fat internet junkies think his personality doesn't fit their taste.

It would be stupid to give up on him considering he had to deal with Raye/Sing for his first 2 years and showed lots of flashes...but, that being said, the guy is making it hard for people to assume he's anything but a turd(as a person). He needs to start playing like a pro bowler, or acting like a saint and until he does one of the two I think it's perfectly reasonable to roast him.