our current receiver corps/the forgotten man

Originally posted by 5280High:
Anyone think Kyle Williams might develop? I really liked him before his injury but I still don't know if the niners are gonne be running an offense where he could be successful. Doesn't look like it IMO.

he will be our slot/speedy guy he is a gin but with better hands

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by 5280High:
Anyone think Kyle Williams might develop? I really liked him before his injury but I still don't know if the niners are gonne be running an offense where he could be successful. Doesn't look like it IMO.

he will be our slot/speedy guy he is a gin but with better hands

He's no where near as fast as Ginn.

Originally posted by nevadalove9ers2:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by 5280High:
Anyone think Kyle Williams might develop? I really liked him before his injury but I still don't know if the niners are gonne be running an offense where he could be successful. Doesn't look like it IMO.

he will be our slot/speedy guy he is a gin but with better hands

He's no where near as fast as Ginn.

combine numbers ginn was faster by only.02 seconds

and in pro day kyle williams was faster by .02 seconds


so tehyre about the same speed

DZ is our current model of Thomas Clayton and Nate Davis.

On a side note: I find it almost funny that many people on this board are shoving Ginn out the door already. He is the only deep threat we have on the team at WR, and he still is the best returner on the team. He may end getting cut (who knows how this is all going to shake out), but people are dismissing him way too early at this point, especially with a lock-out.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
DZ is our current model of Thomas Clayton and Nate Davis.

On a side note: I find it almost funny that many people on this board are shoving Ginn out the door already. He is the only deep threat we have on the team at WR, and he still is the best returner on the team. He may end getting cut (who knows how this is all going to shake out), but people are dismissing him way too early at this point, especially with a lock-out.

Ginn has some of the worst hands that I have seen for a WR and he can only run one route. His contribution on special teams can easily be replaced as shown last year when he was no longer returning kicks (only punts).

I think that Ginn makes the cut, but I don't see him here for the long term.

-9fA

Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Now that we have a new receivers coach we will get to see if there are any changes in Ziggy and the rest of our crew.

I agree with this. Ziegler has massive durability concerns and I believe that he was only here because he was a favourite of Sully. I do wonder how Morton perceives him.

-9fA

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
DZ is our current model of Thomas Clayton and Nate Davis.

On a side note: I find it almost funny that many people on this board are shoving Ginn out the door already. He is the only deep threat we have on the team at WR, and he still is the best returner on the team. He may end getting cut (who knows how this is all going to shake out), but people are dismissing him way too early at this point, especially with a lock-out.

I agree with you on Ginn. If the offense gets some creative play action plays and can sell the defense on it consistently, Ginn could see something like 40-60 catches with a 16 ypc average. Good coaching is about putting your players in a position to succeed, let's hope the niners finally found someone capable of doing it instead of saying it.

His hands are pretty bad though. Still can't believe Holmes is the better receiver of the two coming out of college. I remember watching the HS All-American Game and the announcers were actually making the argument that Ginn could transition straight to the NFL from highschool. (This was during the Clarett/Williams Lawsuit/fiasco against the NFL trying to waive the 2 yr college requirement).... Boy were they off.

In the end I think Ziggy gets cut over Ginn, Kyle W. is quick and speedy but it's gonna be hard for the coaches to ignore Ginn's straight line speed and play making potential.

Ziggy will make it, but this will be his last year being a fringe player. I think Ginn is out, although it would be cool to see someone with his speed running slants.. (he would probably drop/deflect it up into the air worse than crabtree does, and get it picked off)

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
we again forget to mention the guy who by most accounts, players and coaches alike, was the best one on the field last year

1) Who exactly are the "most" players and coaches that have said Zeigler is the best WR we had on the field last year and where are these accounts located?

2) Zeigler has never done anything remotely special in the regular season or pre-season in three years. He's had 15 receptions in three seasons. He's almost had more injuries than regular season receptions.

Every team has its Zeigler. They're guys that coaches keep on the bubble of the roster because they like them, and fans insist are more talented than they are. Our "Zeigler" for the last few years has been Jason Hill. Before that it was Taylor Jacobs. After Zeigler it will be somebody else. The "under appreciated bubble guy" is a slot that needs to be filled in the mind's of fans. That's it. There were plenty of people who served that role before Zeigler and plenty of people who will after him.

Saying that Zeigler is a better WR than Crabtree, or Morgan, or Davis because he's the current guy who has gotten longer than usual to hang around at the back end of the roster is asinine.

I could not have written a better response. If Zeigler was so talented, he would have made an impact in his three seasons. I call it the Rudy syndrome, we all root for the hard working underdog, it is a great story.

Ted Ginn puts a lot more fear in the mind of the defense coordinators, and stretch's the field, he is hands down more valuable than Zeigler. If you go off of pre season statistics, the niners have several RB's who would be in the pre season hall of fame.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
we again forget to mention the guy who by most accounts, players and coaches alike, was the best one on the field last year

1) Who exactly are the "most" players and coaches that have said Zeigler is the best WR we had on the field last year and where are these accounts located?

2) Zeigler has never done anything remotely special in the regular season or pre-season in three years. He's had 15 receptions in three seasons. He's almost had more injuries than regular season receptions.

Every team has its Zeigler. They're guys that coaches keep on the bubble of the roster because they like them, and fans insist are more talented than they are. Our "Zeigler" for the last few years has been Jason Hill. Before that it was Taylor Jacobs. After Zeigler it will be somebody else. The "under appreciated bubble guy" is a slot that needs to be filled in the mind's of fans. That's it. There were plenty of people who served that role before Zeigler and plenty of people who will after him.

Saying that Zeigler is a better WR than Crabtree, or Morgan, or Davis because he's the current guy who has gotten longer than usual to hang around at the back end of the roster is asinine.

I could not have written a better response. If Zeigler was so talented, he would have made an impact in his three seasons. I call it the Rudy syndrome, we all root for the hard working underdog, it is a great story.

Ted Ginn puts a lot more fear in the mind of the defense coordinators, and stretch's the field, he is hands down more valuable than Zeigler. If you go off of pre season statistics, the niners have several RB's who would be in the pre season hall of fame.

Ginn prob puts fear in the minds of slow DB's,but probably not the D.C's They all smile when we throw it to him, because they know he will drop it.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
we again forget to mention the guy who by most accounts, players and coaches alike, was the best one on the field last year

1) Who exactly are the "most" players and coaches that have said Zeigler is the best WR we had on the field last year and where are these accounts located?

2) Zeigler has never done anything remotely special in the regular season or pre-season in three years. He's had 15 receptions in three seasons. He's almost had more injuries than regular season receptions.

Every team has its Zeigler. They're guys that coaches keep on the bubble of the roster because they like them, and fans insist are more talented than they are. Our "Zeigler" for the last few years has been Jason Hill. Before that it was Taylor Jacobs. After Zeigler it will be somebody else. The "under appreciated bubble guy" is a slot that needs to be filled in the mind's of fans. That's it. There were plenty of people who served that role before Zeigler and plenty of people who will after him.

Saying that Zeigler is a better WR than Crabtree, or Morgan, or Davis because he's the current guy who has gotten longer than usual to hang around at the back end of the roster is asinine.

I could not have written a better response. If Zeigler was so talented, he would have made an impact in his three seasons. I call it the Rudy syndrome, we all root for the hard working underdog, it is a great story.

Ted Ginn puts a lot more fear in the mind of the defense coordinators, and stretch's the field, he is hands down more valuable than Zeigler. If you go off of pre season statistics, the niners have several RB's who would be in the pre season hall of fame.

Ginn prob puts fear in the minds of slow DB's,but probably not the D.C's They all smile when we throw it to him, because they know he will drop it.

Would you say his hands are.... unstable?

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
we again forget to mention the guy who by most accounts, players and coaches alike, was the best one on the field last year

1) Who exactly are the "most" players and coaches that have said Zeigler is the best WR we had on the field last year and where are these accounts located?

2) Zeigler has never done anything remotely special in the regular season or pre-season in three years. He's had 15 receptions in three seasons. He's almost had more injuries than regular season receptions.

Every team has its Zeigler. They're guys that coaches keep on the bubble of the roster because they like them, and fans insist are more talented than they are. Our "Zeigler" for the last few years has been Jason Hill. Before that it was Taylor Jacobs. After Zeigler it will be somebody else. The "under appreciated bubble guy" is a slot that needs to be filled in the mind's of fans. That's it. There were plenty of people who served that role before Zeigler and plenty of people who will after him.

Saying that Zeigler is a better WR than Crabtree, or Morgan, or Davis because he's the current guy who has gotten longer than usual to hang around at the back end of the roster is asinine.

I could not have written a better response. If Zeigler was so talented, he would have made an impact in his three seasons. I call it the Rudy syndrome, we all root for the hard working underdog, it is a great story.

Ted Ginn puts a lot more fear in the mind of the defense coordinators, and stretch's the field, he is hands down more valuable than Zeigler. If you go off of pre season statistics, the niners have several RB's who would be in the pre season hall of fame.

Ginn prob puts fear in the minds of slow DB's,but probably not the D.C's They all smile when we throw it to him, because they know he will drop it.

Would you say his hands are.... unstable?

lol.. I'd say unpredictable, when Ginn catches it.. he probably surprises himself.

I see Williams and Ron Jon being the long term 3 and 4. These guys are both slot type guys and hopefully one of them can play the #1 and move Crabs into the slot in 3 wide sets. I certainly don't thing the fans should give up on Kyle Williams. This guy could be playing baseball in his dads (white sox GM Kenny Williams) farm system right now and instead he loves football enough to play. I think that speaks a lot for his passion of the game.

one other thing too. Is it me or do fans fall in love with guys like Ziggy who simply won't make it at game time? Its a lot like that guy Marcuss Maxwell a few years ago who looked good in preseason and nfl europe but just never caught on in the pro game.

Gets your ginn jerseys now cuz he's going to getting some homerun balls in our new WCO.