Pass Rushing Statistics - How Valid Are they?

Originally posted by Ninefan56:
I was looking in another Niner site when I found this article
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/11/19/pass-rushing-productivity-whos-making-the-most-of-their-opportunities/

In this article it has Manny Lawson with the highest rating on pass rushing productivity. It also has Parys Harolson, Travis LaBoy and Justin Smith ranked very high in their prospective groups. So I was wondering what the gurus on this board think of these statistics? If these were true would it effect our thinking about some of our players?

The two "stats" that matter are sacks and turn-overs. Getting pressure on a QB is great, but this is the NFL and QB's can with-stand pressure. I just don't feel putting pressure on a QB tells the whole story.

sacks are overrated

i think pressure and hits are the most important they cause interceptions

laboy i thought got some decent pass rush when he had the opportunity. haralson only gets his pressures because of the coverage.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:
I was looking in another Niner site when I found this article
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/11/19/pass-rushing-productivity-whos-making-the-most-of-their-opportunities/

In this article it has Manny Lawson with the highest rating on pass rushing productivity. It also has Parys Harolson, Travis LaBoy and Justin Smith ranked very high in their prospective groups. So I was wondering what the gurus on this board think of these statistics? If these were true would it effect our thinking about some of our players?

The two "stats" that matter are sacks and turn-overs. Getting pressure on a QB is great, but this is the NFL and QB's can with-stand pressure. I just don't feel putting pressure on a QB tells the whole story.

Hits on a qb are even more important. Pound the qb in the first half and you just have to get close in the second to unnerve him.

Check out this awsome video of Lawson getting pressure and not the sack! It was a game changer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwZDgOncrs

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
sacks are overrated

i think pressure and hits are the most important they cause interceptions

I agree with you. Hits after the ball is gone are just as effective as sacks in changing the mindset of a QB. Rogers was very rocky in the playoffs because he was hit hard on several plays. Sacks are great to stop a play, but really hard hits affect the rest of the game. Once the hit happens, pressure increases in effectiveness as the QB will have that hit in the back of his mind.

There have been a number of QBs who seemed to relish being hit...their careers tended to be short!

Any thoughts as to whether the data presented in the above article are valid?

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Check out this awsome video of Lawson getting pressure and not the sack! It was a game changer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwZDgOncrs

Look at Haralson going out in coverage in the flat instead of charging up the middle like he was supposed to. f**king a*****e!

Originally posted by darkknight49:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:
I was looking in another Niner site when I found this article
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/11/19/pass-rushing-productivity-whos-making-the-most-of-their-opportunities/

In this article it has Manny Lawson with the highest rating on pass rushing productivity. It also has Parys Harolson, Travis LaBoy and Justin Smith ranked very high in their prospective groups. So I was wondering what the gurus on this board think of these statistics? If these were true would it effect our thinking about some of our players?

The two "stats" that matter are sacks and turn-overs. Getting pressure on a QB is great, but this is the NFL and QB's can with-stand pressure. I just don't feel putting pressure on a QB tells the whole story.

Hits on a qb are even more important. Pound the qb in the first half and you just have to get close in the second to unnerve him.

LEGAL Hits on the QB is by far the most important. A QB who is thinking about being hit makes mistakes. Anything that adds a split second to a QB's reaction time gives the defense the advantage. The cliche "Defense wins championships"... this is why. Good QB's can become lambs when they are getting dropped everyplay. See Patriots vs Giants superbowl.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
sacks are overrated

i think pressure and hits are the most important they cause interceptions

I agree with you. Hits after the ball is gone are just as effective as sacks in changing the mindset of a QB. Rogers was very rocky in the playoffs because he was hit hard on several plays. Sacks are great to stop a play, but really hard hits affect the rest of the game. Once the hit happens, pressure increases in effectiveness as the QB will have that hit in the back of his mind.

There have been a number of QBs who seemed to relish being hit...their careers tended to be short!

agree

Originally posted by juycho:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
sacks are overrated

i think pressure and hits are the most important they cause interceptions

I agree with you. Hits after the ball is gone are just as effective as sacks in changing the mindset of a QB. Rogers was very rocky in the playoffs because he was hit hard on several plays. Sacks are great to stop a play, but really hard hits affect the rest of the game. Once the hit happens, pressure increases in effectiveness as the QB will have that hit in the back of his mind.

There have been a number of QBs who seemed to relish being hit...their careers tended to be short!

agree

this

on a play when the QB gets lights up right after the TD pass, he is gonna be a scared little girl next time around

GO MANNY LAWSON, PASS RUSHING GOD!!!!

Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Any thoughts as to whether the data presented in the above article are valid?

The article does not discuss the QBs mindset or effectiveness after a sack versus a hit versus a hurry. It's an interesting read, but valid? Not enough info to determine validity.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
sacks are overrated

i think pressure and hits are the most important they cause interceptions

It goes beyond I-N-T's.

Pressure on the QB disrupts the timing and rhythm of the play.

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by darkknight49:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:
I was looking in another Niner site when I found this article
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/11/19/pass-rushing-productivity-whos-making-the-most-of-their-opportunities/

In this article it has Manny Lawson with the highest rating on pass rushing productivity. It also has Parys Harolson, Travis LaBoy and Justin Smith ranked very high in their prospective groups. So I was wondering what the gurus on this board think of these statistics? If these were true would it effect our thinking about some of our players?

The two "stats" that matter are sacks and turn-overs. Getting pressure on a QB is great, but this is the NFL and QB's can with-stand pressure. I just don't feel putting pressure on a QB tells the whole story.

Hits on a qb are even more important. Pound the qb in the first half and you just have to get close in the second to unnerve him.

LEGAL Hits on the QB is by far the most important. A QB who is thinking about being hit makes mistakes. Anything that adds a split second to a QB's reaction time gives the defense the advantage. The cliche "Defense wins championships"... this is why. Good QB's can become lambs when they are getting dropped everyplay. See Patriots vs Giants superbowl.

Chris Everett comes to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWALEh7fT5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczUKTwgqeY