Do HC's Really Care About Fans Opinions???

No, and they'd be dumb if they did.

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by cools:

Originally posted by D_Niner:
In reality, they need to. Now I'm not saying for each and every move; but, choosing a player that alienates the fan base is not a wise move for any HC. Neither is traiding one of the most popular players...

Well it recently has worked in Philly and Green Bay, and has worked for other teams as well

During the Niners super bowl era, Walsh did some of those things also

I'd be more worried about a HC that let the fans influence his decisions

And on the other side of that coin... Nolan didn't care what the fans thought and traded away valuable players. Sing didn't listen to what the fans thought and kept running the dangum ball and trading away valuable backups. All of these resulted in fans bailing on the team and a loss of revenue for the Yorks (which resulted in both coaches being fired).

Look when your on top you have to make decisions that will keep you on top (your reference to Walsh). When you make risky decisions and they payoff you're a hero (Philly, GB). When they don't you lose your job.

Like I said before, not every decision not every time; but, in reality, there are situations where a HC should listen to the overall message from the fans and weigh that into his decision process. (Nolan's my way or the high way, or Sing's desperation to establish the run game, 6 loosing seasons with Alex Smith, etc...)

That's why I stand by what I said; that there is a time and a place where the HC should hear what his fans are saying...

Now D, i think they should consider, however take it with a grain of salt. Now u and I have talked before about the Smith issue, lol. Damn glad that part is over. However, look at how the fans supported JTO one year, or even Carr. And when the fans publicly humiliated themselves with the We Want Carr chant, just to see him get in, and look even worse than Deberg.

Even with the chant, say hit the road jack, or sit on the bench, but not another persons name. I read above when u said something in regards to a player that alienates the fan base, well what about the player that the fan base alienates.

My funniest moment of the season was the last game, when Smith missed a few throws, some fans booed and he just laughed and had a great game. I loved that reaction because it showed in a sense, that he finally said f**k it, and it doesnt bother him one bit about the boos.

So thats why i say what i do with coach. I dont care what moves he makes from QB to KR. I believe in the HC, and we should all support whatever he wants. I mean when was the last time we had on offensive minded HC. I think Turner, and as soon as he showed a good year, San Diego made him their HC.

So once again, i think they do listen, but with a grain of salt, as it should be. I mean can u imagine if some of us were the GM of the niners. LMAO

He was playing the Cards.. Troy Smith could have a good game against them!

Now Fakers, brotha, lets not even go down the Troy Smith road. I forgot about how people jumped on that bandwagon, and his completion rate was worse than Smiths. And every article written about him said the same thing.

Troy Smith had 2 good games before teams figured him out. Thats how you go from 100.QB rating to about 50-55. And dont forget i dont blame it all on Troy, but he should of never even played that game with the season on the line. But u see how that turned out.

And with the Smith thing, oh yeah, trust me, i didnt really care who he was playing. As u know it could of been the Rams. I was just talking about the fact that yeah, now that u actually said it, fans were booing him playing against the Cards. Well that makes the fans look even worse. U boo when playing a suck ass team.

But like i said, this is not about anything specific, and i just replied to the T. Smith comment. That just went to show, why as i said they can maybe hear, us, but if they did take into account how we as fans feel, s**t we'd be 2-14 every season since 07

A good head coach cares about what the fans think. This is a good part of the reason that head coaches do interviews and take part in public events for the team. The head coach wants the fans to support the team.

If you are asking if the head coaches make football decisions, such as roster choices, based upon fans opinions, that is a different question. In general, I would say they do not.

[b]My funniest moment of the season was the last game, when Smith missed a few throws, some fans booed and he just laughed and had a great game. I loved that reaction because it showed in a sense, that he finally said f**k it, and it doesnt bother him one bit about the boos. [/b]

My funniest moment of the season is when I was at the Philly game and Alex rolled to his left and fumbled the ball and the defender ran it in for a TD. I laughed because I didn't want anyone to see a grown man cry!

Now to your question, no a HC doesn't care about fans opinions just as I'm not going to agree with every decision the team makes. For example bringing Alex back. I want an upgrade to the position. Don't know who and don't care how they do it but upgrade the QB position.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by cools:

Originally posted by D_Niner:
In reality, they need to. Now I'm not saying for each and every move; but, choosing a player that alienates the fan base is not a wise move for any HC. Neither is traiding one of the most popular players...

Well it recently has worked in Philly and Green Bay, and has worked for other teams as well

During the Niners super bowl era, Walsh did some of those things also

I'd be more worried about a HC that let the fans influence his decisions

And on the other side of that coin... Nolan didn't care what the fans thought and traded away valuable players. Sing didn't listen to what the fans thought and kept running the dangum ball and trading away valuable backups. All of these resulted in fans bailing on the team and a loss of revenue for the Yorks (which resulted in both coaches being fired).

Look when your on top you have to make decisions that will keep you on top (your reference to Walsh). When you make risky decisions and they payoff you're a hero (Philly, GB). When they don't you lose your job.

Like I said before, not every decision not every time; but, in reality, there are situations where a HC should listen to the overall message from the fans and weigh that into his decision process. (Nolan's my way or the high way, or Sing's desperation to establish the run game, 6 loosing seasons with Alex Smith, etc...)

That's why I stand by what I said; that there is a time and a place where the HC should hear what his fans are saying...

Now D, i think they should consider, however take it with a grain of salt. Now u and I have talked before about the Smith issue, lol. Damn glad that part is over. However, look at how the fans supported JTO one year, or even Carr. And when the fans publicly humiliated themselves with the We Want Carr chant, just to see him get in, and look even worse than Deberg.

Even with the chant, say hit the road jack, or sit on the bench, but not another persons name. I read above when u said something in regards to a player that alienates the fan base, well what about the player that the fan base alienates.

My funniest moment of the season was the last game, when Smith missed a few throws, some fans booed and he just laughed and had a great game. I loved that reaction because it showed in a sense, that he finally said f**k it, and it doesnt bother him one bit about the boos.

So thats why i say what i do with coach. I dont care what moves he makes from QB to KR. I believe in the HC, and we should all support whatever he wants. I mean when was the last time we had on offensive minded HC. I think Turner, and as soon as he showed a good year, San Diego made him their HC.

So once again, i think they do listen, but with a grain of salt, as it should be. I mean can u imagine if some of us were the GM of the niners. LMAO

He was playing the Cards.. Troy Smith could have a good game against them!

Now Fakers, brotha, lets not even go down the Troy Smith road. I forgot about how people jumped on that bandwagon, and his completion rate was worse than Smiths. And every article written about him said the same thing.

Troy Smith had 2 good games before teams figured him out. Thats how you go from 100.QB rating to about 50-55. And dont forget i dont blame it all on Troy, but he should of never even played that game with the season on the line. But u see how that turned out.

And with the Smith thing, oh yeah, trust me, i didnt really care who he was playing. As u know it could of been the Rams. I was just talking about the fact that yeah, now that u actually said it, fans were booing him playing against the Cards. Well that makes the fans look even worse. U boo when playing a suck ass team.

But like i said, this is not about anything specific, and i just replied to the T. Smith comment. That just went to show, why as i said they can maybe hear, us, but if they did take into account how we as fans feel, s**t we'd be 2-14 every season since 07

Regarding Troy Smith he did win 3 games that kept the team in playoff contention and if you are suggesting that Alex would of won that Rams game in St. Louis please explain because Alex did not win any road games last year.

they dont. and its a good thing.

Most fans have knee jerk reactions and tend not to take all considerations in there opinions. I call it the caveman reaction. ie, win=GOOD lose=BAD

If the zone were around at that time, I bet money that some fans would be calling walsh a terrible hire after his first year

Head coaches don't care about fans opinions, but owners do.

Do they care? In the back of their mind, they have to. If the fans are unhappy, then that can lead to the firing of the head coach.

Should they allow public opinion to influence personnel decisions or dictate a style of play? Absolutely not. Their job is to win a game. They bring in the players that help that happen, and get rid of the ones that don't.

There are players in this league that I don't like, and I would have a hard time pulling for them if they were Niners. If that player could help our team win, then it's the coaches responsibility to get that player and not give a spit what I think. I'll get over it, or I'll just spend the season saying," Dammit, that douchebag scored another TD."

Hopefully not if they work for this team...

Originally posted by D_Niner:
In reality, they need to. Now I'm not saying for each and every move; but, choosing a player that alienates the fan base is not a wise move for any HC. Neither is traiding one of the most popular players...

Fans are pretty fickle. What ultimately gets fan support is winning. The Niners replaced an agiing and banged up Montana with Young who was entering his prime. That may not have gone over well with the fan base at the time but it was the wise move. Walsh once said that it was better to get rid of a guy (he was probably more diplomatic - I can't remember the exact quote) a year or two early than a year or two late. He wasn't nearly as sentimental as fans tend to be. I can't imagine guys like Belichik or Parcells give much thought to what fans think. If you win you know what fans are going to think.

They shouldn't. If they do, they won't be around long.

No! At the end of the day it is their job that is on the line. They will use their vast knowledge and tools they have at their disposal. As fans we have a tendency to want the flashy pick. (I am not saying all fans but fans in general) Coaches are the one that get to do the interviews and the background checks and have more information then we do. For instance Cam Newton. I think a lot of fans may want him because he is the flashy pick. He has a world of talent. But if he says the wrong thing it may turn some coaches off of him. Plus he may not fit the type of scheme they want to employ. Maybe he did a poor job on the blackboard. Of course there are the character concerns. Point being there is a lot that goes into every pick that as fans we are not privy to. I would not want a coach that listen to the fans. I do think that there are some circumstance's were they put some consideration of what fans think. For example Mike Vick. When he came back from his stint in jail there were very few suiters just because they wanted to avoid the fan back lash. I have faith in JH and can't wait to see the finished product!!! GO NINERS!!!!

I dont think care is the right word, but they should sit down now and then and listen, you never know what you could pick up. When they are answering questions from media is usually the same questions fans would ask. They should listen and not alienate the fan base. If they take this on or not is up to them, thats why they get paid.

I chanted for Carr, and definitely do not feel stupid or embarrassed about it. It's better than waiting for Alex Smith to prove he is any good.

I'm stoked that we got Harbaugh, and will be on board with whatever decision he makes. If we have to suffer another year while Harbaugh develops our QB of the future so be it. One thing Alex has proved is that at best he will be an average QB, but the 49ers need a great one.

I dont think the HC does, but the owner/GM does/needs to. I have been vocal about my opinion of Alex, but he is besides the point.

The 49ers organization (ownership/front office) has been adamant about changing the culture around here and there is a buzz about this new era of Niner football. Bringing back "player X" after 6 years of failing here would be sending the wrong message to fans. They NEED to have weigh ALL things when making a decision about "player x." At some point, they need to stop sending mixed messages to their loyal fans.

But back to the question, no I dont think HCs care about fans opinions....but ownership and the front office needs to.