The Myth About West Coast Offense QBs

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
IN BEFORE THE

Why isn't steve young talked about as a great west coast qb... Is that because he had an arm, he could out run anyone of our running backs at the time???

Cause he's another dick, just like Bubba Paris.

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I heard he was really cool from pretty much everyone who's met him.

He is a very cool guy. I have met him twice. Got is autograph the second time I met him. He was very nice. Much nicer then Montana the time I met him in vegas.

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying we should get a inaccurate immobile lumber jack who is retarded to play QB?

Resign Alex Smith?

Don't even start. Seriously.

its not even funny and its lost its meaning

alex smith is the most underrated and overrtted on this board he doesnt suck hes not great hes average period

No, he does suck. Really, he does.

Smith had 90.6 qb rating the last 8 games of season. Ive broken this down on the board so many times - He also has a great relationship with VD - the number one qb to tight end connection the last 2 years
throw out his games with raye and do the math
even with rayes games included his qb rating was still as good as carson palmer
Smith is 25 years old
Haurbaugh is confident in his ability to mold an offense around him and a healthy Gore
Smith is our stop gap qb - if Gabbert is there at 7 take him and have him compete with Smith, they have similar backgrounds and I think they would get a long well and help each other elevate their games.
We have 12 picks, sounds like the bucks, were goona get some gems.(mike williams)
Draft 2 qbs 1 late and one in 2-3 rd.
Were in good shape since Harbaugh as already coached or played against 16% of the prospects invited to the combine
So heres all the reasons to look up, and stpop being so god damn pessimistic

Okay this is my 2 cents worth, but due to inflation isn't worth anything.

WCO is something Peter King Coined. However, I liken it to martial arts and Bruce Lee. You may learn from the man and adapt his principles, but you will adapt your own style based on what you can can do.

With that said, the thing you need to look at if looking at Walsh's version is that you have to look at the QB's he's coached and not the QB's his protoges have taken. Same goes for Harbaugh. Although there are some basics that you desire in any QB, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. Like accuracy, good decision maker, touch, and mobility.

Harbaugh likes a QB like Steve Young in that Steve could run and throw it on the run or take off running. The reason is probably because the defense can't key on the WR while not keeping an eye on young and also if the defense doesn't stay in their lanes, a QB like young will burn them. Luck wasn't fast like Young but he could run and in college at least he ran over people at times.

To me Walsh's version was to use the short pass as his ball control, the difference from running is that the receiver, was past the the linemen and sometimes the LB and if you made a mistake he was gone for a big gain. This would allow later for either the seam down the middle if you tightened up or gut punch with the RB when your legs were tired from rushing the QB.

Harbaugh is different in that he likes to run more and dink and dunk over you if you play to tight in the box to stop the run. The difference between he and singletary is that Harbaugh will pass on first down and he will use alignments and motion to create matchup problems for the run game as well as the pass to make the other side stop and hesitate for a second.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying we should get a inaccurate immobile lumber jack who is retarded to play QB?

Resign Alex Smith?

classic!

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Okay this is my 2 cents worth, but due to inflation isn't worth anything.

WCO is something Peter King Coined. However, I liken it to martial arts and Bruce Lee. You may learn from the man and adapt his principles, but you will adapt your own style based on what you can can do.

With that said, the thing you need to look at if looking at Walsh's version is that you have to look at the QB's he's coached and not the QB's his protoges have taken. Same goes for Harbaugh. Although there are some basics that you desire in any QB, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. Like accuracy, good decision maker, touch, and mobility.

Harbaugh likes a QB like Steve Young in that Steve could run and throw it on the run or take off running. The reason is probably because the defense can't key on the WR while not keeping an eye on young and also if the defense doesn't stay in their lanes, a QB like young will burn them. Luck wasn't fast like Young but he could run and in college at least he ran over people at times.

To me Walsh's version was to use the short pass as his ball control, the difference from running is that the receiver, was past the the linemen and sometimes the LB and if you made a mistake he was gone for a big gain. This would allow later for either the seam down the middle if you tightened up or gut punch with the RB when your legs were tired from rushing the QB.

Harbaugh is different in that he likes to run more and dink and dunk over you if you play to tight in the box to stop the run. The difference between he and singletary is that Harbaugh will pass on first down and he will use alignments and motion to create matchup problems for the run game as well as the pass to make the other side stop and hesitate for a second.

Great post. People forget that Walsh's version changed slightly when Steve Young was QB opposed to Montana. Holmgren was QB coach and OC for both guys. The Walsh offense is very flexible and was simply designed the attack the defense with the pass at any spot on the field - which is why touch is so important.

I don't know if Harbaugh likes to "run more". People forget the 2nd half 49ers - a very different team offensively than the 1st half. The strategy was pass-early, jump on an opponent, get a lead, then run them to death effectively. Contrary to popular belief, the 49ers of the 80s were very much a running offense.

They ran more only to run out the clock. In the first half or if the game was close it wasn't their bread and butter, it was used when they wanted to throw you off balance and keep you honest.

Harbaugh's offensive style at stanford has been documented. Some have said he may have to tweak it a bit cause he won't be able to do what he did with the run in the pros like he did at Stanford.

Originally posted by MiamiNiner:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying we should get a inaccurate immobile lumber jack who is retarded to play QB?

Re-sign Alex Smith?

I agree. Alex Smith is better than and wont cost draft picks. Alex Smith finally has the right coaching and offense to work in

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Originally posted by Solace49:

Originally posted by MiamiNiner:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying we should get a inaccurate immobile lumber jack who is retarded to play QB?

Re-sign Alex Smith?

I agree. Alex Smith is better than Kevin Kolb and wont cost draft picks. Alex Smith finally has the right coaching and offense to work in

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Alex Smith has a higher quarterback rating then Kevin Kolb. Smith was working in a crappy offensive scheme, Kolb was working in a good offense in Philly. No need to send draft picks to Philadelphia when Smith is better and wont cost draft picks.

This is NOT an Alex Smith thread. We've got some quality posts in here. Let's keep it that way.

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
IN BEFORE THE

Why isn't steve young talked about as a great west coast qb... Is that because he had an arm, he could out run anyone of our running backs at the time???

Cause he's another dick, just like Bubba Paris.

I heard he was really cool from pretty much everyone who's met him.

I was gonna say he was awesome to me when i asked for his autograph.......didnt even hesitate.

Originally posted by Oscar:
This is NOT an Alex Smith thread. We've got some quality posts in here. Let's keep it that way.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying we should get a inaccurate immobile lumber jack who is retarded to play QB?

lmao

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying we should get a inaccurate immobile lumber jack who is retarded to play QB?

That reminds me, what is Druckenmiller doing now?

The thing is, the WCO doesn't feature deeper routes because it's designed to get the ball to receivers in open space where they have opportunities for YAC. That's why it's not that important for your QB to have a huge arm. Montana was the prototype...Young was the exception, a guy who could make all the throws and run as well as many of the RB's in the league. Garcia was more athletic, a bit less accurate than Montana. Agility, mobility and accuracy are much more important skills for a QB to have in the WCO than heaving the ball downfield 50-60 yds. That said, it's why I see a guy like Ponder as a good fit for Harbaugh's offense. Dalton would work, too, and so could Locker, with JH coaching him up.

I think people underestimate the athleticism of Joe Montana. It might be because they compare him to Steve Young, but Montana was a very good athlete. I think he played college basketball and I know he could dunk from a standing position under the basket. Plus, having watched every game of his career, I can tell you that his arm was better than people generally give him credit for. He could make all the necessary throws, but he played within the system. He was smart. He got his arm reputation because for the first few years of the successful Walsh offense, NFL prognosticators were constantly yammering on about "dinks and dunks" as if it wasn't real football. IMO, the east coast sports media didn't really respect Montana until he beat Marino in the 84 Season Superbowl.

a WCO Qb doesnt need to have a cannon for an arm, the QB needs to have intelligence, accuracy and the ability to make smart decisions and quickly get the ball to any of the 5 eligible receivers and allow them to make plays and get YAC

that is why Montana, Young and Garcia had so much success, they were all very smart QB's and had good mobility and able to make plays with their feet if the play broke down

Druckenmiller was supposed to be our savior due his "cannon arm" ...but he never grasped the WCO and failed miserably