Finally were just one player away from a oline!

Originally posted by excelsior:
elguapo, you nailed it perfectly. As I read your post, I was nodding the whole time. Agreed.

Thanks.....i reall cant take the excuses. Its like with barlow and alex smith....when gore came in and shaun hill....they did better with the same players around them. Sometimes denial is an ugly thing.

A rookie ol can be very good. So can a fa or so can a guy trying a position for the first time.

Examples pouncey as a rookie....countless fa's starting with a new ol and how about gallery at guard vs tackle.

Our guys just cant win matchups and that has nothing to do with anything else except their individual performance vs the man on the other side.

I cant wait until we get a good ol and then our qb will be better as well as our rbs wrs tes everything.

Originally posted by EscuelaVieja:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:


Joe, the heart the soul of the oline. Really showed he should have been a top 10 pick.!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Baas came out of Michigan as a Center

Baas was an all american at guard but played a season or two at center as well for Michigan.

I believe staley should stay on the left side, haven't you seen "the blind side?" lol. That side is very important and we shouldn't leave it to the guy who had so many penalties and lost so many of his battles.(especially in the 1st half of the season, that was against stronger competition too).

Baas could be an upgrade over rachal at RG so heitmann should be given a shot to regain his spot at center so that we can move baas over. Baas will help davis out, as davis was pretty much left on his own against guys like chris Long with rachal next to him.

Davis will improve, it's just a matter of how quickly this season, and missing a season due to a lockout would really hurt him. The penalties could very well have been in large part due to the immense pressure from singletary, hard for any rookie to take and a lot of it looked to be out of frustration. I don't believe he should have been started day one but when you spend two firsts, and move up to grab a guyI can see why singletary's ego could make him deem that necessary.

The left side was pretty solid, until staley got hurt, but even then it was still overshadowed by the right's major issues.

It's easy for people to be down on davis especially when looking at iupati performing fantastically. But Davis is still young and when the line gel's he should be at worst no longer a liability, at best we end up with a very solid line of course.

Heitmann has been a tremendous center, but I hate to say his neck injury might be the kind of thing where his doctors will advise him to retire rather than risk something that could leave him permanently damaged. Baas stepped in and seemed to do a pretty good job, and it will be interesting to see what the new coaching staff thinks of his future at that position. The odds are against the Niners picking up a center in this year's draft -- they have too many other needs and there aren't many outstanding prospects this year -- so that will probably mean Baas gets another year there and the question of the RG will be addressed by Rachal substantially improving, or someone like Snyder or Boone stepping in.

Harbaugh's system will make a huge difference with the line. Roman will mix up the plays and confuse the D enough to take some of the edge off the pass rush. The question will be can the current linemen function in that offense and listening to Roman I think they will do fine.

A major problem, particularly early in the season, was play calling that was so predictable that the D could just T-off on Smith. Davis looked really bad at times, so I don't want to excuse his play, but having a year under his belt and a better system should help him. I was surprised last year that he did not get more help from a fullback or Gore, who is one tremendous blocker.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

he certainly did struggle at RT, but it was also the first time he had played there, he had been a LT in college, thats why some ppl think he fits better over there

LT is his natural position and last year was his first year playing RT ever. I think its better for the team if he and Staley are flipped. Like it or not Davis is here to stay for now. We need to be able to utilize him best way possible especially him being so young. Kid was barely 20 when we drafted him.

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

he certainly did struggle at RT, but it was also the first time he had played there, he had been a LT in college, thats why some ppl think he fits better over there

LT is his natural position and last year was his first year playing RT ever. I think its better for the team if he and Staley are flipped. Like it or not Davis is here to stay for now. We need to be able to utilize him best way possible especially him being so young. Kid was barely 20 when we drafted him.

I agree with Staley being on the right and Davis left. Staley played really well on the right if my memory serves me correctly and left is Davis's natural position. Simms was a good example of someone who plays the left much better than the right. This would make an interesting experiment.

I wouldn't be down on Davis. Typical rookie struggles. But the man had a beastly stretch of games where nobody got through.

Of course, it didn't help that his QB still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and threw to guys wearing the wrong jerseys.

That wasn't Davis' fault. For a stretch of four or five games, we saw just how good this kid can be. Years from now we'll be looking back at the draft of Iupati and Davis as one of the best in a decade of torture.

Originally posted by kezar49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Heitmann is done Doesnt matter they resign Baas or draft
Who is Racal?

how is heitmann done?

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I wouldn't be down on Davis. Typical rookie struggles. But the man had a beastly stretch of games where nobody got through.

Of course, it didn't help that his QB still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and threw to guys wearing the wrong jerseys.

That wasn't Davis' fault. For a stretch of four or five games, we saw just how good this kid can be. Years from now we'll be looking back at the draft of Iupati and Davis as one of the best in a decade of torture.

Wow! Pass along that crystal ball; I'd really like to take a peek!

But really, can one take the title of this thread seriously? We don't even HAVE an OL? The offense hasn't being producing? Let's blame the OL.

Yes, Rachal isn't on par with the better Guards, but overall, if that's the only problem on the OL, we have a mighty fine OL. No team's OL has perfect players in every position. Better QB play (especially) and better schemes will elevate the perception on the quality of the OL.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I wouldn't be down on Davis. Typical rookie struggles. But the man had a beastly stretch of games where nobody got through.

Of course, it didn't help that his QB still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and threw to guys wearing the wrong jerseys.

That wasn't Davis' fault. For a stretch of four or five games, we saw just how good this kid can be. Years from now we'll be looking back at the draft of Iupati and Davis as one of the best in a decade of torture.

Wow! Pass along that crystal ball; I'd really like to take a peek!

Sorry, but when that same crystal ball showed that Alex Smith would be the starter from now into infinity -- I threw it against the wall and smashed it into itty, bitty, bits.

Better scheme will make all of these guys look better. I do not see any major shuffling of the OL, aside from maybe replacing Rachal. If HArbaugh doesn't play favorites like Simpletary, then our OL will be dramatically better just with a good playbook.

I think they strength of our OL has become Baas, Iupati since Joe has not played a full season in the last 3 years. We definitely need to pickup a LT since Sims is solid, but is not getting any younger

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Oakland, part of Alex's problems are caused by of your boy, Rachel.

Are you saying the play of the offensive line can effect the QB? I never thought of that. I'm going to email your post to Harbaugh right now to make sure he is fully informed.

WIth that said, when you look at the best Olines and QBs in the league I think it's hard to tell how good the Oline really is. Franchise QBs win even when their Oline makes mistakes. I'm sure you watched the Superbowl. How many times did Big Ben make a play with defenders in the backfield? This is not unusual for Franchise QB. And before you come back to me with an extreme example argument, keep in mind I'm talking about average olines, not horrible ones. I'm pretty sure it's a fact our Oline was at least average.

Aaron Rodgers had a HORRIBLE O-Line his first year starting. He put up over 4,000 yards, 28 TDs and only 13 INTs - establishing himself as one of the better QBs in the league. He was the most hit and under pressure QB in the league that year.

O-Linemen obviously affect the QB play, but when a QB is simply GOOD, they can make things happen. Our O-Line isn't the best, but it isn't as bad as it's made out to be sometimes. There were plenty of times when our QB had great protection, but still couldn't make a play. Troy Smith sometimes stepped up and bounced to the outside when it was unnecessary and seemed to only by looking for the big play, thus resulting in many missed opportunities. Alex Smith often dumped off to the check down option before even scanning other options (many times managing to ruin that pass, somehow). There wasn't even enough time for a pass rush to be generated before Alex checked down to Gore.

I'm not saying our line didn't allow our QBs to be put under heavy pressure at times, but even the times when they allowed the QB enough protection to make something happen, our QB failed to do it. In our case, the blame cannot be placed strictly on the OL. The QB needs to own up to some of the blame.

You are just wrong about the GB line in Rodgers first year as a starter. They did have some injuries which took away from their effectiveness, however, the major reason Rodgers took so many hits was because he was not fully integrated into the system and waited too long to see receivers open before he threw. It got to the point where many GB fans blamed him for making the OL look so bad. Rodgers simply had not yet learned to be confident in his receivers and often waited until they wide open before he threw. In the meantime, the DL pressure got to him far more often than this past season where he had learned to trust his receivers to be open.

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by kezar49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Heitmann is done Doesnt matter they resign Baas or draft
Who is Racal?

how is heitmann done?

Heitmann has come back before so don't want to count him out. If he makes it back, the depth of the line really improves...whether they play him at center or right guard. I can't imagine Harbaugh and Roman not wanting him back unless the docs say no.