Finally were just one player away from a oline!

Originally posted by RekeHavoc:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by EscuelaVieja:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:


Joe, the heart the soul of the oline. Really showed he should have been a top 10 pick.!

joe staley is pretty good dude
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/381293-the-2007-nfl-re-draft/page/13
goes 12 here

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8178e5fc&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

goes 10 here

Agreed. Don't judge him on a season where he played injured. Everyone went from high praise to he's awful.

He's always been solid to me. Never really got high praise, but does a good enough job that he wasn't getting bashed until this season.

Originally posted by RonMexico:
guyblow rachal is bad every single play

Not true. There were like 6 plays last year where Guyblow did his job.

I always laugh when I see Gore run up the gut and the other 4 O-Linemen are trying to push as hard as they can, resulting in a big pile of OL and DL where the play ends, but 9 times out of 10, Rachal is standing next to the pile.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Oakland, part of Alex's problems are caused by of your boy, Rachel.

Are you saying the play of the offensive line can effect the QB? I never thought of that. I'm going to email your post to Harbaugh right now to make sure he is fully informed.

WIth that said, when you look at the best Olines and QBs in the league I think it's hard to tell how good the Oline really is. Franchise QBs win even when their Oline makes mistakes. I'm sure you watched the Superbowl. How many times did Big Ben make a play with defenders in the backfield? This is not unusual for Franchise QB. And before you come back to me with an extreme example argument, keep in mind I'm talking about average olines, not horrible ones. I'm pretty sure it's a fact our Oline was at least average.

Aaron Rodgers had a HORRIBLE O-Line his first year starting. He put up over 4,000 yards, 28 TDs and only 13 INTs - establishing himself as one of the better QBs in the league. He was the most hit and under pressure QB in the league that year.

O-Linemen obviously affect the QB play, but when a QB is simply GOOD, they can make things happen. Our O-Line isn't the best, but it isn't as bad as it's made out to be sometimes. There were plenty of times when our QB had great protection, but still couldn't make a play. Troy Smith sometimes stepped up and bounced to the outside when it was unnecessary and seemed to only by looking for the big play, thus resulting in many missed opportunities. Alex Smith often dumped off to the check down option before even scanning other options (many times managing to ruin that pass, somehow). There wasn't even enough time for a pass rush to be generated before Alex checked down to Gore.

I'm not saying our line didn't allow our QBs to be put under heavy pressure at times, but even the times when they allowed the QB enough protection to make something happen, our QB failed to do it. In our case, the blame cannot be placed strictly on the OL. The QB needs to own up to some of the blame.

Originally posted by excelsior:
Oakland, with all due respect, I've also watched games where P. Manning and Brady played poorly because they weren't getting their normally good protection from their OLs. So I reject your premise that great QBs make plays even when they do not have good protection. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.

Peyton Manning was under pressure a lot this season, he still did a great job. Brady does fold under pressure almost every time, though.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

Anthony Davis is gonna be a beast this year. Just watch. I'm sure you will still have something to complain about, though.

Well, if he becomes a beast this year, and I hope he does, it has to be at RT. Staley is far superior to Davis until Davis proves otherwise.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

Anthony Davis is gonna be a beast this year. Just watch. I'm sure you will still have something to complain about, though.

Well, if he becomes a beast this year, and I hope he does, it has to be at RT. Staley is far superior to Davis until Davis proves otherwise.

Anthony davis will only be a beast if there is an offseason/training camp.. if the season is shortened, he will regress.

David Baas is overrated I saw him get dominated at times.

Its wayyyyyyyyyyyy too early for people to bash on Anthony Davis. It would be fair to judge him after his 3rd season

By the way the comment about aaron rogers having a horrible oline is not true his first year.....get this right.....HE HELD THE BALL WAY TOO LONG. ill say it again.....HE HELD THE BALL WAY TOO LONG. that made the o line look bad and the number of sacks were inflated and pressures bc he held the ball too long.

THAT IS WHY they had a team meeting to tell him to release the ball quicker. Even in the playoffs last year the final play.....rogers holds the ball too long gets pressured stripped and defensive td...cards advance for that very reason.

Rogers is better than smith and a lot of other qbs but every qb ive seen plays poorly under pressure especially brady and manning does have tons of ints in the playoffs for that very reason.

The best qb under pressure i have ever seen is montana by far.

I think the dynamic that people do'nt realize is that even though Harbaugh says he's not going to dismantle the whole team,I see more than a few kids from Stanford having some local try-outs with the team.The Standord O-line has a few kids that already are better options than what we have at a few spots(Rachal especially).

GO NINERS

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

A slight edit to make a point...

"Barry Sims can't even handle RT. How is he going to handle LT?"

The two positions are different, even though they're both OT. Sims looked like a second-string college player when he subbed at RT, but the last two seasons he more than held his own at LT when he had to.

Frankly, we don't know yet who should play RT and LT in Harbaugh's offense. Don't be surprised to see some experimentation in TC and preseason.

And here's an idea: Try Alex Boone at guard and see what happens.

Originally posted by 49erThrowback:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

A slight edit to make a point...

"Barry Sims can't even handle RT. How is he going to handle LT?"

The two positions are different, even though they're both OT. Sims looked like a second-string college player when he subbed at RT, but the last two seasons he more than held his own at LT when he had to.

Frankly, we don't know yet who should play RT and LT in Harbaugh's offense. Don't be surprised to see some experimentation in TC and preseason.

And here's an idea: Try Alex Boone at guard and see what happens.

OK rookie, Staley went down last season and Sims started at LT with zero drop off in play from Staley. Sims also started at LT for the raiders for years. He is a olid back up with two years or so left in his tank.

Watch game film before you spout off about Sims.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Better O line

LT AD
LG Iupati
Center Heitmann
RG Snyder
RT Staley.

Back up LT-Sims
Back up RT Boone
Back Up Guard Racal
Back up Center/guard Wragge

No need to draft OL or get any in FA this year.

Anthony Davis can't even handle RT. How is going to handle LT?...

he certainly did struggle at RT, but it was also the first time he had played there, he had been a LT in college, thats why some ppl think he fits better over there

elguapo, you nailed it perfectly. As I read your post, I was nodding the whole time. Agreed.

Originally posted by 9erred:

OK rookie, Staley went down last season and Sims started at LT with zero drop off in play from Staley. Sims also started at LT for the raiders for years. He is a olid back up with two years or so left in his tank.

Watch game film before you spout off about Sims.

Um...I think I was agreeing with you (or vice versa). To quote myself talking about Sims, "but the last two seasons he more than held his own at LT when he had to."

I was pointing out that he struggled at RT the year earlier, probably because it was not his natural position. Just as Davis struggled this past year at a new position for him.