Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
Originally posted by BayStreamin510:
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by BayStreamin510:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
Originally posted by BayStreamin510:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
In 2006 it would have us take Rodgers #1...
2005
Do you HONESTLY think Rodgers would've done better if he was in Smith's situation ? Having to learn 6 or so different offenses, injured shoulder, terrible line, no good receivers to throw to. Rodgers had Favre to sit behind for 3 years, same offense his whole career, has a pro line, & one of the best receiving cores.
He certainly wouldn't be as bad as Alex Smith. Could you really argue he'd be anything worse than a top 15?
With a line like ours, of course. No QB can be good without a line. Look at Peyton, he usually never gets touched. & When he does, he screws up. Brady doesn't do well when his line doesn't do well either. You can't rely on a QB alone to determine whether or not he's good or not. Think about it this way. Every quarterback is good, otherwise they wouldn't be in the NFL right now. The reason why they are better than others is because of the players & coaches around them. It's a TEAM effort. Exactly why Alex, with the worse team, didn't so as well as Rodgers, with a very good line & receiving core, took them to the Super Bowl.
FAIL.
Interesting you say that , because it looks like the Packers had the worst O-line last year and Rodgers managed to go to the Pro Bowl.
Big Ben's O-line was the 2nd worst last year and he had a VERY SOLID year with 66.6 completion %, 4,328 yards, 26 TD's 12 INT's with a QB Rating of 100.5
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go
Touche, I'll give you that one. But what about the receivers ? & The coaching ? They all have those too. & What did the niners have ? No true #1 receiver before Crabtree. & He's not a solid #1 yet. In Smith's early years, he had who ? Arnaz Battle ? They had a couple good receivers tho, who bloomed AFTER they left. That shows bad coaching. Singletary was very stubborn with the running game. VD didn't bloom until last year. I'll give you the line in GB & Pitts. But they also have very good coaches & receivers. Plus Steelers have a good running game. & GB's line have been dominating this postseason, otherwise Starks wouldn't be running all over everyone like a mad man. Yeeah, Rodgers went to the pro bowl last year. But did he take them to the Super Bowl ? Nope. How about this year with a good line ? Yeuup. Like I said, a TEAM effort.
What? Are you serious? I couldn't disagree more! You already look like a noob saying that rogers and big ben had elit offensive lines....which isn't even close to the truth..now you say they have better coaches and wide recievers and running game? Are you high? Tomlin was an unproven rookie, and mike mccarthy was a coach here. our offensive coordinator! He guided our team to the worst offense in history..statistically speaking..he coached here! Wow! Now let's talk about the better running game you quoted...seriously? Grant and mendenhall better than gore? Get lost noob! You're only making yourself look dumb. And now let's look at your reciever arguement...a good qb makes his recievers. Look at deion branch this year vs his years without brady...randy moss without a good qb, santana moss with and without mcnabb, even brandon lloyd with a decent qb!..and the list can go on if you insist. a great qb will make the entire team look better...from the coach down to the waterboy..stop apologizing for alice smith..he sucks and he'll never be much more than a carreer backup. Just admit that your 3 arguements are mildly retarded, and we'll all chalk it up to you being a noob
Uhm, that's why I said that it was a team effort bro ? & I didn't even say that they had an elite offensive line. & If they're so bad coaches, why are they the two teams in this year's super bowl ? & Yeeah, McCarthy coached here. But also look who we had on our offense. No line, barlow as starting RB, Smith in his rookie season. Then goes to GB with a better situation, takes them to NFC championship his second year. & Yes, their receiving core is better because they had better coaching than Sully & didn't have to learn 6 different offenses. Plus Singletary hates to throw. You can't just blame something on one unit, like the QBs, WRs, Line, coaches. Cos they all depend on each other. No line equals bad QB play. Also equals no running game. No QB play, WRs don't do anything. No rushing game, no threat for the run & defense plays coverage all day. & Vice Versa. No threat for passing, defense plays the run.
