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1251alex
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Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by dmatt:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NickV:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
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“People ask me, ‘What makes you prepared?’ ” Baalke said. “One of the things you look at that’s important, whether you’re hiring coaches or front-office people, is have they gone through all the steps? Have they started at the bottom and worked their way up? Now if you got someone who fits that profile, it’s not definitely going to work, but it’s a proven model for success.
“I haven’t missed any of the steps. And that’s one reason I feel very prepared for this opportunity.”
singletary -_-
Lol Baalke didn't hire Sing.
Yep.
Knee jerk reaction from Jed.
I know. But honestly, many teams would have hired him if they were in that situation. I think we went 5-4, the players looooved him, and he apparently just needed a good OC to help him out.
Just glad we've moved on from that nightmare.
The more I hear, the more it sounds like they didn't love him at the end. He needed a lot more than an O.C. The guy is an idiot. Great for guys like Vernon that needed a father figure. Most of the 53 man roster didn't need a father figure. That has to get old.
Singletary might make a decent coach somewhere else, like Tampa Bay. He just needs a good OL and a power back, something that we don't have. He's energetic and has some other positives, but his biggest mistake was hiring Jimmy Raye. Singletary isn't the brightest coach, but if he just surrounds himself with talented coordinators, he just might succeed. He needs to understand that you have to be creative in this league nowadays. That '85 Bears crap doesn't work anymore. I bet we would've made the playoffs had we kept Mike Martz. Just because you have a HC that believes in running the ball, doesn't mean that you can't have a creative OC running the show. Look at the Bears. They made it work somehow.
The Singletary hiring wasn't that bad, but Singletary screwed it up by hiring Jimmy Raye.
I seriously doubt Singletary gets another shot at being a head coach. Nobody is exactly calling for Mike Nolan to be a head coach again. Singletary should stick to coaching linebackers.
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B650
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Originally posted by 1251alex:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by dmatt:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NickV:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
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“People ask me, ‘What makes you prepared?’ ” Baalke said. “One of the things you look at that’s important, whether you’re hiring coaches or front-office people, is have they gone through all the steps? Have they started at the bottom and worked their way up? Now if you got someone who fits that profile, it’s not definitely going to work, but it’s a proven model for success.
“I haven’t missed any of the steps. And that’s one reason I feel very prepared for this opportunity.”
singletary -_-
Lol Baalke didn't hire Sing.
Yep.
Knee jerk reaction from Jed.
I know. But honestly, many teams would have hired him if they were in that situation. I think we went 5-4, the players looooved him, and he apparently just needed a good OC to help him out.
Just glad we've moved on from that nightmare.
The more I hear, the more it sounds like they didn't love him at the end. He needed a lot more than an O.C. The guy is an idiot. Great for guys like Vernon that needed a father figure. Most of the 53 man roster didn't need a father figure. That has to get old.
Singletary might make a decent coach somewhere else, like Tampa Bay. He just needs a good OL and a power back, something that we don't have. He's energetic and has some other positives, but his biggest mistake was hiring Jimmy Raye. Singletary isn't the brightest coach, but if he just surrounds himself with talented coordinators, he just might succeed. He needs to understand that you have to be creative in this league nowadays. That '85 Bears crap doesn't work anymore. I bet we would've made the playoffs had we kept Mike Martz. Just because you have a HC that believes in running the ball, doesn't mean that you can't have a creative OC running the show. Look at the Bears. They made it work somehow.
The Singletary hiring wasn't that bad, but Singletary screwed it up by hiring Jimmy Raye.
I seriously doubt Singletary gets another shot at being a head coach. Nobody is exactly calling for Mike Nolan to be a head coach again. Singletary should stick to coaching linebackers.
Maybe, but if McDaniels is getting offers...
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socal9er42
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I'm on board for now, but I'll skip the Kool-aid, thanks just the same.
I think the Zone's opinion of Ballke is improving. It was just the gut reaction to a perception that Jed "Lied" about looking for the best available GM, and money-is-no-object statements.
Truth of the matter is that Jed and the organization as a whole wanted Harbaugh. Knew he had to act fast to get him. Was comfortable with Baalke based on first hand knowlege and experience. Knew Baalke also wanted Harbaugh.
I think (hope really

) that Baalke is an up and comer and makes good decisions. Others in the NFL whose opinions I value speak highly of him.
Reminds me of the end of the 70's, when as I young whipper-snapper, I was trying to convince my parents that things were about to change for the 9ers when they highered that College Coach.
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LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by 1251alex:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by dmatt:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NickV:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
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“People ask me, ‘What makes you prepared?’ ” Baalke said. “One of the things you look at that’s important, whether you’re hiring coaches or front-office people, is have they gone through all the steps? Have they started at the bottom and worked their way up? Now if you got someone who fits that profile, it’s not definitely going to work, but it’s a proven model for success.
“I haven’t missed any of the steps. And that’s one reason I feel very prepared for this opportunity.”
singletary -_-
Lol Baalke didn't hire Sing.
Yep.
Knee jerk reaction from Jed.
I know. But honestly, many teams would have hired him if they were in that situation. I think we went 5-4, the players looooved him, and he apparently just needed a good OC to help him out.
Just glad we've moved on from that nightmare.
The more I hear, the more it sounds like they didn't love him at the end. He needed a lot more than an O.C. The guy is an idiot. Great for guys like Vernon that needed a father figure. Most of the 53 man roster didn't need a father figure. That has to get old.
Singletary might make a decent coach somewhere else, like Tampa Bay. He just needs a good OL and a power back, something that we don't have. He's energetic and has some other positives, but his biggest mistake was hiring Jimmy Raye. Singletary isn't the brightest coach, but if he just surrounds himself with talented coordinators, he just might succeed. He needs to understand that you have to be creative in this league nowadays. That '85 Bears crap doesn't work anymore. I bet we would've made the playoffs had we kept Mike Martz. Just because you have a HC that believes in running the ball, doesn't mean that you can't have a creative OC running the show. Look at the Bears. They made it work somehow.
The Singletary hiring wasn't that bad, but Singletary screwed it up by hiring Jimmy Raye.
I seriously doubt Singletary gets another shot at being a head coach. Nobody is exactly calling for Mike Nolan to be a head coach again. Singletary should stick to coaching linebackers.
I agree with your assessment on Singletary and I honestly don't see him being given a head coaching job again in the NFL. But if Milke Nolan has 2-3 seasons running an eliite top 5 defense, people will come knocking at his door again. Marty Mornhinweg did a terrible job in Detroit, but he may get an interview, and may have had one already if his season was already over.
If you are a known guy and do great at the coordinator position, you will get at least 2 shots at a HC gig. Mike Nolan might make a decent HC somebody if he can learn from his mistakes, spends some time around a good/great HC, and is hired by a team with a great front office, like the Colts, Steelers, Ravens, etc.
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lssanjose
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Singletary's problem was lack of perspective. He claimed to be big picture. This may have been true, but he didn't see below the forest, and into the trees; and the interdependence everyone is in involved with throughout the organization.
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smithgdwg
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I'm thinking Baalke with Harbaugh could be a very good recipe for success.
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NorthNiner
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-baalkeninersgm010611
It's a good piece that hasn't had much play. There's some good info on Baalke's background and ascent. It was written before the Harbaugh hire.
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“Trent Baalke is a football guy through and through, with a very good understanding of the game and a very sound evaluation process,” said Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff. “And he’s driven – he has a tireless work ethic. He’ll do everything in his power to help restore that organization to prominence.”
There's no guarantee that Baalke/Harbaugh will be the next Dimitroff/Smith, but I think there's reason to be optimistic.
I'm in the pantry . . . looking for the kool-aid.
Excellent article. We know something about Baalke now and the people who know him best are giving props.
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dj43
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Originally posted by dmatt:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NickV:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
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“People ask me, ‘What makes you prepared?’ ” Baalke said. “One of the things you look at that’s important, whether you’re hiring coaches or front-office people, is have they gone through all the steps? Have they started at the bottom and worked their way up? Now if you got someone who fits that profile, it’s not definitely going to work, but it’s a proven model for success.
“I haven’t missed any of the steps. And that’s one reason I feel very prepared for this opportunity.”
singletary -_-
Lol Baalke didn't hire Sing.
Yep.
Knee jerk reaction from Jed.
I know. But honestly, many teams would have hired him if they were in that situation. I think we went 5-4, the players looooved him, and he apparently just needed a good OC to help him out.
Just glad we've moved on from that nightmare.
The more I hear, the more it sounds like they didn't love him at the end. He needed a lot more than an O.C. The guy is an idiot. Great for guys like Vernon that needed a father figure. Most of the 53 man roster didn't need a father figure. That has to get old.
His father figure image was a plus, not a negative. His biggest problem was that he had not "worked his way up the ladder."
With his passion, I am sure he will become a very good coach someday. He is in a perfect place now where he can work with a personal friend and one who HAS worked his way up the ladder and can teach that to Mike.
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oldninerdude
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The first real test of the Baalke/Harbaugh regime looms imminent: Who's gonna be the next starting QB.
Like the rest of you, I will be watching with great interest to see what moves are made, who is brought in, who is let go, and who winds up with the job.
Ironic that the measure of the first two hirings, GM and HC, will be determined somewhat by the third step of the plan Jed outlined upon firing Singletary: hire a GM, who will hire a HC, then get a QB.
I sincerely hope they (GM and HC) make a wise choice.
Do they keep Alex Smith (gag) around to see if Harbaugh can work some magic? (No!) (Please, no!)
Do they try to find someone later in the draft with the athletic tools (Locker? maybe) that Harbaugh can mold into greatness? (This seems likely, since we don't have the No. 1 pick and Luck is not coming out this year, anyway.)
Or do they bring in a veteran FA (McNabb, Orton) to keep the seat warm til the real guy arrives. (This also seems likely, to me, since it will take some time either for the late round guy to develop, or for the high draft pick--next year--to arrive.)
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FredFlintstone
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Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NickV:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
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“People ask me, ‘What makes you prepared?’ ” Baalke said. “One of the things you look at that’s important, whether you’re hiring coaches or front-office people, is have they gone through all the steps? Have they started at the bottom and worked their way up? Now if you got someone who fits that profile, it’s not definitely going to work, but it’s a proven model for success.
“I haven’t missed any of the steps. And that’s one reason I feel very prepared for this opportunity.”
singletary -_-
Lol Baalke didn't hire Sing.
Yep.
Knee jerk reaction from Jed.
I know. But honestly, many teams would have hired him if they were in that situation. I think we went 5-4, the players looooved him, and he apparently just needed a good OC to help him out.
Just glad we've moved on from that nightmare.
simpletary tried hiring that good oc in linehan and he didnt want no part of his neanderthal philosophy
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frenchmov
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but mcdaniels "coaching" ability wasn't ever in question. he has been a coordinator and really produced offensive numbers everywhere he has been and with every qb. tom brady, matt cassell, hell even kyle orton was passing for 300+ yards on a regular basis. mcdaniels downfall was he was given too much power and f**ked up that roster. but as a COACH ONLY, he has value.
what does singletary have? what did he ever have aside from his motivational speeches?
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mryan1004
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by NickV:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
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“People ask me, ‘What makes you prepared?’ ” Baalke said. “One of the things you look at that’s important, whether you’re hiring coaches or front-office people, is have they gone through all the steps? Have they started at the bottom and worked their way up? Now if you got someone who fits that profile, it’s not definitely going to work, but it’s a proven model for success.
“I haven’t missed any of the steps. And that’s one reason I feel very prepared for this opportunity.”
singletary -_-
Lol Baalke didn't hire Sing.
Yep.
Knee jerk reaction from Jed.
I know. But honestly, many teams would have hired him if they were in that situation. I think we went 5-4, the players looooved him, and he apparently just needed a good OC to help him out.
Just glad we've moved on from that nightmare.
simpletary tried hiring that good oc in linehan and he didnt want no part of his neanderthal philosophy
it is so simple, singletary didnt let the coordinators coordinate, he wanted 80's chicago bears football, why even have an oc if youre trying to dicatate what you want, and what makes everyone so made is that he had zero experience in offense and though he saw the team losing he was too stubborn to let go of the reigns
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lssanjose
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Speaking of speaking, it was quickly noted, Sing got a gig doing just that - motivational speaking.
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Bejaard49er
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Many of us at the time bought into Sing. The team did well the rest of the season he was interim, he had been interviewed and was considered an up and coming coach, and many of the players responded positively to him.
Give Sing 3-5 years to rebuild his reputation, learn some lessons, hopefully learn how to manage a clock and he will get another chance. It is the way of the NFL hell look at Campo who got hired in Buffalo yet as a head coach in Dallas sucked.