Niner talk gonna niner talk. Our Defense is fine, OUR OFFENSE IS THE PROBLEM!!

Originally posted by teeohh:
No our defense is not fine are you f**king kidding me !!!!!

they're pretty respectable top 15 in most major areas while being on the field the 10th most in the leauge

I agree. Though you can't put all the onus on the offense for the terrible season they definitely deserve to be in the conversation. If the offense scored more the defense can play differently, more loosely and with less pressure.

With no offensive production it is pretty hard to stay motivated as a defense because the pressure just becomes too much. The defense did not play perfect all season, but again after starting 0-5 and not really having any chance at making the playoffs I think the defense as a whole played ok.

Remember, these are human beings and not just football players. This is a game of emotions and when after 5 games of the season and your team has not won a game it is hard to "Keep your chin up" so to speak. The players want to win and when they are not coached well and they keep losing it takes it's toll. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Both Defense and Offense, in general, are fine.

We just need to improve in 3 areas:

1. QB
2. CB
3. FS

We applied decent pressure and of course it can improve, but the 3 areas above, we played like crap in.

Maybe we draft 3 DB's early in this draft and restart the dynasty.

Joe you know I love you man, but no matter who you have at CB or FS, if you have no pass-rush, the secondary will always get torched (eg NY Jets).

I agree, it's not like we don't have talent, speed and athletic ability in our OLB's (minus Parys). I think with a switch to 4-3 or a better designed plan, then we can get more pressure up front. Just look at what NE is doing with TBC.

What we can't do is tell Nate to cover better or tell Goldson to be better aware and more sound.

This is where we disagree bud. I don't think our guys at OLB are fast at all. One lasting impression watching old man McNabb OUTRUN Haralson and Lawson in the same game last season defined our talent at OLB. Add to that in a key game, a rook QB did the same thing. This was a recurring theme.

The 49ers can't get pressure unless they blitz and even when they blitz, they don't have the talent to consistently. I challenge you all to re-watch any game this season. It's the pass-rush.


"The pass rush has just killed the secondary," one observer said. "Last year they had a lot more sacks and dominated some games because of that. But not this year." Much of the pressure was expected to come from starting OLBs Manny Lawson and Parys Haralson, but entering Week 16, they had combined for six sacks — one more than free-agent addition Travis LaBoy, who had become the LB corps' most productive pass rusher before suffering a season-ending knee injury.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/12/22/disappointing-pass-rush-a-major-problem-for-49ers

I excluded Parys from my speed comment. I think there's a lot of ability between LaBoy, Lawson (got much more pressure this year), and Brooks. I don't like to use this guy all of the time but TBC was not fast at all and he is not as athletic as the three mentioned. He has one move and NE uses him just right for that one move. It almost seems as though they use him against certain types of drops the QB will take so that the spin move alone creates a red flag to the QB in seeing him getting closer.

I just feel that anything done with the four rushers up front be it 3-4 or 4-3, has a lot to do with scheme and timing of the type of rush called according to the drop back of the QB.

Our D is not good enough!

Totally disagree. Did you watch the NO vs Falcons game last night? Pressure from both teams on the QB all night long.
I don't know if its the scheme or if the players are that much better then the 9'ers.

those of us who have watched good Niner defenses in the 80's and 90's KNOW this years Niner defense was not very good.

pass rush was bad, the secondary was bad, can't force turnovers, can't stop a team when it really has to stop a team.

we need a DL pass rusher and 2 quality corners, maybe another safety--we could use another DL and a LB---I would go to a 4-3 system.

Originally posted by 49ersMan420:
Our D is not good enough!

not good enough to what, win?

NE wins
Atlanta wins
Indy wins

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Both Defense and Offense, in general, are fine.

We just need to improve in 3 areas:

1. QB
2. CB
3. FS

We applied decent pressure and of course it can improve, but the 3 areas above, we played like crap in.

Maybe we draft 3 DB's early in this draft and restart the dynasty.

Joe you know I love you man, but no matter who you have at CB or FS, if you have no pass-rush, the secondary will always get torched (eg NY Jets).

I agree, it's not like we don't have talent, speed and athletic ability in our OLB's (minus Parys). I think with a switch to 4-3 or a better designed plan, then we can get more pressure up front. Just look at what NE is doing with TBC.

What we can't do is tell Nate to cover better or tell Goldson to be better aware and more sound.

This is where we disagree bud. I don't think our guys at OLB are fast at all. One lasting impression watching old man McNabb OUTRUN Haralson and Lawson in the same game last season defined our talent at OLB. Add to that in a key game, a rook QB did the same thing. This was a recurring theme.

The 49ers can't get pressure unless they blitz and even when they blitz, they don't have the talent to consistently. I challenge you all to re-watch any game this season. It's the pass-rush.


"The pass rush has just killed the secondary," one observer said. "Last year they had a lot more sacks and dominated some games because of that. But not this year." Much of the pressure was expected to come from starting OLBs Manny Lawson and Parys Haralson, but entering Week 16, they had combined for six sacks — one more than free-agent addition Travis LaBoy, who had become the LB corps' most productive pass rusher before suffering a season-ending knee injury.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/12/22/disappointing-pass-rush-a-major-problem-for-49ers

I excluded Parys from my speed comment. I think there's a lot of ability between LaBoy, Lawson (got much more pressure this year), and Brooks. I don't like to use this guy all of the time but TBC was not fast at all and he is not as athletic as the three mentioned. He has one move and NE uses him just right for that one move. It almost seems as though they use him against certain types of drops the QB will take so that the spin move alone creates a red flag to the QB in seeing him getting closer.

I just feel that anything done with the four rushers up front be it 3-4 or 4-3, has a lot to do with scheme and timing of the type of rush called according to the drop back of the QB.

So would you advocate being a 3-4/4-3 D? I think scheme is a piece of it, but there's no one opposing OCs have to account for on the edge.

4-3 all the way! We have the DL to do it. Now if we do go with the 4-3, then we need a smaller/faster WLB.

Bowman can be the WLB on a 4-3, I really like TKO and Willis together.

How the hell is NE winning so much with that horrible D?

oh

+27 TO wtf that's unheard of

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Both Defense and Offense, in general, are fine.

We just need to improve in 3 areas:

1. QB
2. CB
3. FS

We applied decent pressure and of course it can improve, but the 3 areas above, we played like crap in.

Maybe we draft 3 DB's early in this draft and restart the dynasty.

Joe you know I love you man, but no matter who you have at CB or FS, if you have no pass-rush, the secondary will always get torched (eg NY Jets).

I agree, it's not like we don't have talent, speed and athletic ability in our OLB's (minus Parys). I think with a switch to 4-3 or a better designed plan, then we can get more pressure up front. Just look at what NE is doing with TBC.

What we can't do is tell Nate to cover better or tell Goldson to be better aware and more sound.

This is where we disagree bud. I don't think our guys at OLB are fast at all. One lasting impression watching old man McNabb OUTRUN Haralson and Lawson in the same game last season defined our talent at OLB. Add to that in a key game, a rook QB did the same thing. This was a recurring theme.

The 49ers can't get pressure unless they blitz and even when they blitz, they don't have the talent to consistently. I challenge you all to re-watch any game this season. It's the pass-rush.


"The pass rush has just killed the secondary," one observer said. "Last year they had a lot more sacks and dominated some games because of that. But not this year." Much of the pressure was expected to come from starting OLBs Manny Lawson and Parys Haralson, but entering Week 16, they had combined for six sacks — one more than free-agent addition Travis LaBoy, who had become the LB corps' most productive pass rusher before suffering a season-ending knee injury.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/12/22/disappointing-pass-rush-a-major-problem-for-49ers

Opposing teams made adjustments during the offseason to what our D was doing but our coaching staff never made any adjustment to keep the other teams guessing and it showed all season long especially during the 2 minute drills...

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How the hell is NE winning so much with that horrible D?

oh

+27 TO wtf that's unheard of

They force the opposing QB into executing his weaknesses over his strengths. We just try to punch them in the mouth and don't give a crap about an opposing QB's strengths such as which direction he likes to throw, to which types of routes on the field and ...

Originally posted by TonyStarks:


And that's word,son.






Our oline is the biggest factor.

With three and outs, sacks that turn into fumbles, fumbles that turn into t.d.s,hurried passes that turn into picks, picks that turn into sideline arguments,''SETTLE .....DOWN..........settledown...'' field goals that are missed,time of possession that is lower than 10 minutes,



any defense will tire out ,have brainfarts and mistakes eventually.

I'm surprised our defense kept us in so many games. It's fu*king incredible.

I.E. First play of the season, NATE CLEMENTS PICK
Ricky Jeans Fransious convoy td, Making Matt Cassell pound the ground in frustration for two quarters before they busted out the cheeser plays, scoring defensive T.D.S BECAUSE OUR OFFENSE CANT'!

KEEPING GAMES AGAINST PLAYOFF AND SUPER BOWL CHAMPION TEAMS WITHIN 3 TO 5 POINTS!

OUR DEFENSE IS FINE, OUR OFFENSE NEEDS A TUNEUP.

GET AN EX HEAD COACH AS AN O.C. OR AND EXPERIENCED O.C.

...THE DEFENSE WAS GOD AWFUL

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How the hell is NE winning so much with that horrible D?

oh

+27 TO wtf that's unheard of

They force the opposing QB into executing his weaknesses over his strengths. We just try to punch them in the mouth and don't give a crap about an opposing QB's strengths such as which direction he likes to throw, to which types of routes on the field and ...

Singletary's clapping on the sidelines only scared the opposing offenses for so long...

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How the hell is NE winning so much with that horrible D?

oh

+27 TO wtf that's unheard of

They force the opposing QB into executing his weaknesses over his strengths. We just try to punch them in the mouth and don't give a crap about an opposing QB's strengths such as which direction he likes to throw, to which types of routes on the field and ...

uh no why does everyone over think s**t

they hold on to the ball

NE 8 total fumbles 4 lost
SF 21 fumbles 8 lost

Brady 4 picks all year
9er QB's 15 picks