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Result of bad OC decision of two years ago
Dec 20, 2010 at 9:40 AM
- Loco49er
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The biggest mistake sing made and the reason he will get fired is because he got rid of martz.
Dec 20, 2010 at 9:43 AM
- mjonags32
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I remember Linehan didn't even want to go to the Niners. And Raye was then probably only hired because it was too late to get anyone else.
Good OC or Bad OC, it all falls on the HC
Good OC or Bad OC, it all falls on the HC
Dec 20, 2010 at 9:49 AM
- rk1642
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Like you said, every decent creative OC canidate listened to Sing and new they would be set up to fail. What decent OC wants to run up the middle out of the I formation on 1st and 2nd down?
Now our player development has been severely stunted and our players are the ones that are set up to fail. Its like playing with one hand tied behind their backs. I fear that our overall team demenor is dangerously starting to become that of a loser.
So sad that Sing couldn't realize his own weaknesses as an X & O guy and swallow his pride and let a talented OC run the O. Instead, his sticky fingers are all over this O and its plain for everyone to see that its as basic as high school ball at times. We are so out coached as far as X & O's that when I watch other teams I find myself depressed.
Now our player development has been severely stunted and our players are the ones that are set up to fail. Its like playing with one hand tied behind their backs. I fear that our overall team demenor is dangerously starting to become that of a loser.
So sad that Sing couldn't realize his own weaknesses as an X & O guy and swallow his pride and let a talented OC run the O. Instead, his sticky fingers are all over this O and its plain for everyone to see that its as basic as high school ball at times. We are so out coached as far as X & O's that when I watch other teams I find myself depressed.
Dec 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM
- wolfpack52
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Originally posted by FourNine49:
I remember Linehan didn't even want to go to the Niners. And Raye was then probably only hired because it was too late to get anyone else.
Good OC or Bad OC, it all falls on the HC
Why would he? A real OC would of told Sing, who knows nothing about offense, to stay the f#ck away from me and give me full control of the offense. Raye was desperate for a job and would do anything Sing asked.
Dec 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM
- Memphis9er
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The past eight years have been a product of poor decision making by this organization.
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM
- Joecool
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This is what happened in the interviews:
OC: ...so, there are plays upon plays with many different and creative formations I have in the playbook that can use the strengths of the QB, WR's, and RB's in a way to put a lot of points on the board. Take a look at this play that is designed...
Sing: Hold on a second. I understand and respect your ability with the circles and the crosses but is that play a power run?
OC: I don't understand...this is a well-designed play that would get Vernon Davis 5 yards open deep...I'm not sure why you are asking me...
Sing: PASS TO VERNON!??? [falls off his chair] No! No! No! This is not winners! Do you know how to punch people in the mouth?
OC: [thinking to himself] s**t, this ain't for me.
[in comes Jimmy Raye]
Raye: Here's my playbook. 1,000 pages of the same running play.
Sing: [Looks at his list of all other possible OC's crossed out with only Raye remaining on the list] You're hired!!
OC: ...so, there are plays upon plays with many different and creative formations I have in the playbook that can use the strengths of the QB, WR's, and RB's in a way to put a lot of points on the board. Take a look at this play that is designed...
Sing: Hold on a second. I understand and respect your ability with the circles and the crosses but is that play a power run?
OC: I don't understand...this is a well-designed play that would get Vernon Davis 5 yards open deep...I'm not sure why you are asking me...
Sing: PASS TO VERNON!??? [falls off his chair] No! No! No! This is not winners! Do you know how to punch people in the mouth?
OC: [thinking to himself] s**t, this ain't for me.
[in comes Jimmy Raye]
Raye: Here's my playbook. 1,000 pages of the same running play.
Sing: [Looks at his list of all other possible OC's crossed out with only Raye remaining on the list] You're hired!!
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:12 AM
- zozell
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Dec 20, 2010 at 10:19 AM
- servegmo
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i totally agree that was his biggest mistake....
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:22 AM
- socal81
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The past eight years have been a product of poor decision making by this organization.

Dec 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM
- mjonags32
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Originally posted by wolfpack52:Originally posted by FourNine49:
I remember Linehan didn't even want to go to the Niners. And Raye was then probably only hired because it was too late to get anyone else.
Good OC or Bad OC, it all falls on the HC
Why would he? A real OC would of told Sing, who knows nothing about offense, to stay the f#ck away from me and give me full control of the offense. Raye was desperate for a job and would do anything Sing asked.
And Sing was desperately in need of an OC. 2 desperate people that needed each other
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:29 AM
- susweel
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Originally posted by Loco49er:
The biggest mistake sing made and the reason he will get fired is because he got rid of martz.
this
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by Loco49er:
The biggest mistake sing made and the reason he will get fired is because he got rid of martz.
this
The phrase best used for this org the moment they fired Mooch:
Removing Plan A without a Plan B.
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM
- Memphis9er
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by susweel:Originally posted by Loco49er:
The biggest mistake sing made and the reason he will get fired is because he got rid of martz.
this
The phrase best used for this org the moment they fired Mooch:
Removing Plan A without a Plan B.
They should have kept Mooch, at least he knew how to coach. I firmly believe that if Hearst hadn't broken his leg against ATL, we would have been playing in the Superbowl that year.
Dec 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM
- btwagner
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Originally posted by Loco49er:
The biggest mistake sing made and the reason he will get fired is because he got rid of martz.
i actually think it goes back to Nolan's decision to hire Martz instead of a guy like Cam Cameron