Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Many of us were not in favor of hiring Singletary or Nolan. Neither were GM/HC material. If the 9ers had hired a veteran, successful coach he might have been able to handle the GM/HC dual role, but that is still a risky crap-shoot. Singletary and Nolan were barely able to keep a coaching staff together--except for the OC position, which isn't really very important, as we have seen.
The majority of fans were in support of Sing's hiring. It wasnt so much that everyone thought Sing was a good coach, but rather an indictment of how much we were fed up with Nolan. It was the same thing that happened this year with Sing. By week 5, we all wanted Sing axed........and you couldve hired a chimpanzee to coach the team and we wouldnt have cared. The difference between that situation and this is that Sing brought fire to an inept squad that lost the will to win. We dont have anyone like that on the roster this year, and therefore no one is willing to commit to MJ, etc.
No disagreement with your statement, just wanted to be clear that many believe(d) that an offensive minded coach was needed. Even good coaches need to have power in the organization to be effective and the 9ers have not given power to any OC that really matters. One year and out is the rule.
Second point, or it was my first, is that neither Nolan or Singletary had the kind of experience that led me to believe they were ready to take over a team completely, without a strong GM to help them with their weak areas. Nolan was an oganization guy who was clueless handling the offense, and Singletary is a fire and brimstone guy who does not know the X's and O's. I was shocked when Singletary was made Assistant HC ahead of the OC and DC. What did that say to them? "This guy can yell and emote, so he is ahead of you in this organization." I never bought that kind of thinking.
Obviously Ninertalk is a poor sample population, but take a look at this thread I posted way back when an offensive minded coach was available:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=133093&highlight=zrf
People were just enamored with Sing's "rah-rah" approach to coaching. Only a few "realists" realized that we were lacking in the offensive department. You have to remember that a majority of fans were in support of Martz's release, partly bcause he was against Alex Smith.....
I do recall that thread and did not post (?) because I had no idea whether Shanahan was washed up or not. It appears he may be, though a little tough love with spoiled players may turn it around if the owner stays firm.
The west coast or Walsh offense is my cup of tea and I believe that it gives most teams the best chance of winning. The QB does not need a cannon, the RBs are helped by spreading out the D laterally, and you can use various sizes of linemen as long as they are quick. Nolan and Singletary only saw the team concept from the D side of the ball.
The team couldn't keep Norv Turner, short of making him HC, but they could have at least tried to make him Asst HC and OC with a pile of money, or even a Co-HC. Not being able to keep a decent OC has crippled this team. Martz is a weird guy. He has burned bridges where ever he has coached and for that reason I did not support his hiring. Plus, he isn't a WC guy. I did not care who he started at QB as long as he succeeded. In the long run, who knows what might have happened if they had kept him?
Gruden and other potential HCs seem to like A Smith. Is that fawning for a job? Or do they see something in his play that they believe can be nurtured? Whoever the new coach and GM are they should give him/them the power to select their own personnel and get out of the way. If that means goodbye Alex, fine. As long as they don't hire more D guys who know nothing about the O.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 21, 2010 at 9:43 AM ]
