Victor Contreras : Sac Bee

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see only a top-level NFL QB overcoming the crap this organization has dealt him, and us, over the last decade.

Maybe 6-7 QB's in this league could have helped this team emerge as a consistent playoff contender. The rest would flop around like Alex.

And the expectation coming from the top pick in a draft is that Alex should have been able to overcome or at least mitigate the crap he's been dealt with.

Not counting the last game, I ask myself " Do you think Alex Smith has produced at a consistent enough level, taking into account his uneven development and injury history?"

My answer is no. I think what surrounds him now (or at the beginning of the 2010 season) was good enough where his supposed talent as a #1 overall pick should have produced better results than he has shown.

I just ask how do you supposed to become consistent, when the team around you is never consistant. New OC's, New coaching, New Recievers, New Oline, going from spread, to run first.

My point is that you need a base at least to become consistent. That base has never been brought fourth. How do you expect one player to become consistent when the rest of the team and coaching has been all over the place.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by DertyDonahue:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Dino:
i don't see anything wrong with what he said

If guys like Culpepper and Garcia play QB in the UFL, Smith needs to prove he belongs in the NFL.

I think both of those guys are a little past their prime.

They are, indeed. Alex hasn't had a prime. But...

Contreras said he needs to prove he belongs in the NFL, not the UFL.
I agree, simply named two UFL QB's who at least had a prime (albeit Culpeppers was short).
Realistically, the only place he will find a starting job next year is in the UFL.

After 6 or 7 years we STILL Don't know whether or not Alex is a bust IMO. Its obvious he's gonna leave this offseason but i wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a good player somewhere else. I dont wanna say he would be a great QB if we had better coaching situations but not being able to tell whether or not he has IT by now is pretty embarrassing.

Originally posted by the_educator:
After 6 or 7 years we STILL Don't know whether or not Alex is a bust IMO. Its obvious he's gonna leave this offseason but i wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a good player somewhere else. I dont wanna say he would be a great QB if we had better coaching situations but not being able to tell whether or not he has IT by now is pretty embarrassing.

we don't?

Originally posted by DertyDonahue:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by DertyDonahue:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Dino:
i don't see anything wrong with what he said

If guys like Culpepper and Garcia play QB in the UFL, Smith needs to prove he belongs in the NFL.

I think both of those guys are a little past their prime.

They are, indeed. Alex hasn't had a prime. But...

Contreras said he needs to prove he belongs in the NFL, not the UFL.
I agree, simply named two UFL QB's who at least had a prime (albeit Culpeppers was short).
Realistically, the only place he will find a starting job next year is in the UFL.

I think it is possible that either the Cardinals or Seahawks give him a shot. That would result in a lot of fun around here.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see only a top-level NFL QB overcoming the crap this organization has dealt him, and us, over the last decade.

Maybe 6-7 QB's in this league could have helped this team emerge as a consistent playoff contender. The rest would flop around like Alex.

I agree to everything you say except for this. Most of the rest would struggle less because they were more NFL ready coming out of college.

Alex Smith was a bad draft pick from a poorly ran organization.

It would have been much better for Smith to have gone to GB. Given the stability they have had there, the elite receivers and the opportunity to sit behind Farve for three years, I think he could have been a very good QB for that team. For the record, I think Rodgers is the better QB and obviously would have been the better choice. I can only say that in hindsight now. Whether he would have been able to survive the absolute fiasco of the Nolan-Singletary years is something we will never know. But I know that Rodgers should thank the Football Gods each night that he went to Green Bay and not to San Francisco.

I believe Rodgers may have done somewhat better in SF due to his more stubborn mind-set, a paraphrase of Mike Nolan's description. Nolan described Smith as presenting an image of being a more willing student. In the end, that turned out to be Smith's Achilles heel - he listened to everyone and tried to please them all and it turned him into the indecisive, inconsistent QB that we have all seen.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by DertyDonahue:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by DertyDonahue:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Dino:
i don't see anything wrong with what he said

If guys like Culpepper and Garcia play QB in the UFL, Smith needs to prove he belongs in the NFL.

I think both of those guys are a little past their prime.

They are, indeed. Alex hasn't had a prime. But...

Contreras said he needs to prove he belongs in the NFL, not the UFL.
I agree, simply named two UFL QB's who at least had a prime (albeit Culpeppers was short).
Realistically, the only place he will find a starting job next year is in the UFL.

I think it is possible that either the Cardinals or Seahawks give him a shot. That would result in a lot of fun around here.

Oh man... I can picture the fallout in the forums already.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see only a top-level NFL QB overcoming the crap this organization has dealt him, and us, over the last decade.

Maybe 6-7 QB's in this league could have helped this team emerge as a consistent playoff contender. The rest would flop around like Alex.

I agree to everything you say except for this. Most of the rest would struggle less because they were more NFL ready coming out of college.

Alex Smith was a bad draft pick from a poorly ran organization.

Alex came from a system very much like the one Sam Bradford came from. The difference is that the Rams tailored the offense to fit Bradford as closely as possible. The 49ers did just the mirror opposite with Smith.

He wasn't a bad pick. Had the 49ers picked Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay would almost certainly have chosen Smith.

You are right about the poorly run organization - that described everything about the 49ers during the time leading that time and now.

Rodgers has had many concussions (two this season.) Just imagine he played for the dreadful 49ers teams. He might be out of football by now.

Originally posted by fastforward:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see only a top-level NFL QB overcoming the crap this organization has dealt him, and us, over the last decade.

Maybe 6-7 QB's in this league could have helped this team emerge as a consistent playoff contender. The rest would flop around like Alex.

I agree to everything you say except for this. Most of the rest would struggle less because they were more NFL ready coming out of college.

Alex Smith was a bad draft pick from a poorly ran organization.

Alex came from a system very much like the one Sam Bradford came from. The difference is that the Rams tailored the offense to fit Bradford as closely as possible. The 49ers did just the mirror opposite with Smith.

He wasn't a bad pick. Had the 49ers picked Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay would almost certainly have chosen Smith.

You are right about the poorly run organization - that described everything about the 49ers during the time leading that time and now.

Rodgers has had many concussions (two this season.) Just imagine he played for the dreadful 49ers teams. He might be out of football by now.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see only a top-level NFL QB overcoming the crap this organization has dealt him, and us, over the last decade.

Maybe 6-7 QB's in this league could have helped this team emerge as a consistent playoff contender. The rest would flop around like Alex.

I agree to everything you say except for this. Most of the rest would struggle less because they were more NFL ready coming out of college.

Alex Smith was a bad draft pick from a poorly ran organization.

Alex came from a system very much like the one Sam Bradford came from. The difference is that the Rams tailored the offense to fit Bradford as closely as possible. The 49ers did just the mirror opposite with Smith.

He wasn't a bad pick. Had the 49ers picked Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay would almost certainly have chosen Smith.

You are right about the poorly run organization - that described everything about the 49ers during the time leading that time and now.

It was a terrible pick for Nolan's team. That's the only thing we can be sure about.

You and I just have to disagree about Smith's ability. Bradford was NFL ready. Smith was not. That is a major difference. There is more risk in drafting Alex Smith, and one cannot assume he would turn into a good QB on another team.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
absoutly nothing wrong here

my answer is 49ers failed alex urban myer told us wjat to do with alex and we did the opposite of what he said

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see only a top-level NFL QB overcoming the crap this organization has dealt him, and us, over the last decade.

Maybe 6-7 QB's in this league could have helped this team emerge as a consistent playoff contender. The rest would flop around like Alex.

I agree to everything you say except for this. Most of the rest would struggle less because they were more NFL ready coming out of college.

Alex Smith was a bad draft pick from a poorly ran organization.

Alex came from a system very much like the one Sam Bradford came from. The difference is that the Rams tailored the offense to fit Bradford as closely as possible. The 49ers did just the mirror opposite with Smith.

He wasn't a bad pick. Had the 49ers picked Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay would almost certainly have chosen Smith.

You are right about the poorly run organization - that described everything about the 49ers during the time leading that time and now.

It was a terrible pick for Nolan's team. That's the only thing we can be sure about.

You and I just have to disagree about Smith's ability. Bradford was NFL ready. Smith was not. That is a major difference. There is more risk in drafting Alex Smith, and one cannot assume he would turn into a good QB on another team.

You and I can agree to disagree but only if you are willing to admit that what Pat Shurmur has done for HIS spread-offense quarterback in St Louis is much more than any thing anyone has done here for Smith. Shurmur built the entire passing offense around a slow but steady feed of Bradford as he could handle it.

Bradford was the #1 pick but everybody was skeptical of how quickly he could learn to play in the NFL. He was NOT NFL ready, but Shurmur carefully fit what he had around a system that made things very simple.

Even now, Bradford is still learning. Once teams recognized his limitations they defensed him well and his rating is back down to #22 in the league. He is not NFL ready yet. Take away his games against Denver and Arizona and he barely has a rating of 70.

Originally posted by Otter:
The answer is both. The 49ers failed to properly develop him and coach him. But the reality is he probably should not have been the #1 overall pick.

I could have sworn they provided him with three extremely good OCs. Not the Niners fault, except for letting Martz go that the other guys left for HC positions.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Otter:
The answer is both. The 49ers failed to properly develop him and coach him. But the reality is he probably should not have been the #1 overall pick.

I could have sworn they provided him with three extremely good OCs. Not the Niners fault, except for letting Martz go that the other guys left for HC positions.

They should of had a backup plan. Nolan saw Norv being interviewed by dallas....he should for someone else with the same system.

Originally posted by Dino:
i don't see anything wrong with what he said