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Originally posted by jimrat201:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We will see. I don't think we can beat the Chargers.
Raiders beat them lol
Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Good lord look at all them purdy lil alexuses.
Don't forget to mention his intentional grounding penalties, overthrows, and pre-mature throwaways, interceptions, sacks, loss after loss after loss after loss.
I don't see other qbs making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does.
you must not be watching football. Just look at Shaub today. He threw a game ending INT! but you're right. Alex Smith is the only one doing it in the entire NFL.
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by ttime1:Thanks for the compliment.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by TN-Niner:Your post brings back a graphic from the Eagles/Cowboys game last night in which they noted how Andy Reid has COMPLETELY rebuilt his playing style. Here is the gist of it:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Excuses are like @#@##@, everyone has one and they all stink.
Like Bill Parcells says, you are what your record says you are. It is that simple. Alex has six years and not one playoff appearance. I do not care what the reason is, if it is lack of preparation during the week, coaching or that Jupiter is in Aquarius.
It is time for Alex to go. I wish him luck, but, please GO.
Michael Vick spent 6 years with the Atlanta Falcons. During that time his completion average was 55% and his rating was 75. He acquired the reputation of being inconsistent and very inaccurate when trying to throw from the pocket. I recall most pro observers saying that he would never achieve his potential. He just wasn't a good pro quarterback, rather, he was a runner who played QB.
So he goes to Philly and Reid re-molds him and he is now one of the top 3 pocket passers in the league.
Now couple that Vick history and record of his career with the fact we KNOW how poor the offensive coaching has been here ever since Nolan arrived, and if one is to be at all realistic, they should recognize that a good coach can do something similar with Alex Smith.
So while I am one who recognizes that this team needs much better QB play than it has received in the past few years, I also recognize that this offense has looked VERY different since Mike Johnson took over as OC, and that Smith's mechanics are also improved. What we saw yesterday, albeit against a weaker team than Atlanta or Philly, was what I believe Smith is capable of doing on a regular basis if the offense is allowed to function at pro level.
We cannot be logically true if we criticize Singletary for poor coaching but expect that one of his key players will not be adversely effected by that poor coaching. You can't have one without the other.
DJ; you are a very good poster and more often than not, I agree with you. In this case however, comparing Smith to Vick is comical. Vick was a MVP before he went to Philli. Yes coach Reid has made a postive difference, but Vick's renewed comiitment to the game is what has allowed both to create a win-win situation. 49ers management should get an F- for not following Sing's lead to acquire Vick. He wanted him and developed his coaching staff in anticipation of getting him and he could have been gotten- this team woul be in the play-offs as we speak.
I believe that Alex needed to step away from the game for a minute. He saw what leadership skills that he had to further develop through Troy. It also gave him some time to reevaluate his decision making and his game. I find it ironic that some fans call Sing stupid although he has supported Smith and Smith has produced his best numbers under Sing. Smith's previous performace can not be blamed on anyone but himself. He made some very poor decisions and throws which significantly contributed to this team's losing record. He has the authority to change any play at any time and if he did not like the play calling, he could call an audible. I don't buy that it was the defense's fault; just as I don't buy it's the offenses fault why the defense remains on the field too long-stop the other team and get off the field. simple as that.
But, I am hopeful that Smith steps up his leadership (eg. instead of walking off the field mumbling when he did not connect with Crabtree- get with him and figure it out). I am also hopeful that he continues to not turn the ball over and does not rely too heavily on short passes. Defenses will take that away from him and he has to show the ability to consistenly throw long to win that chess match.
Perhaps I was not as clear about WHERE I was comparing Smith to Vick.
My post was about Vick as a PASSER. Everyone knew he was a good runner but his passing game remained suspect through all his time in Atlanta. It was only after coming to Philly that Reid was able to bring his passing game up to where it is now.
Which brings me back to the critical point about coaching and the DIFFERENCE between Smith and Vick.
Andy Reid was perceptive enough to KEEP what Vick did so well and ADD the technique he needed to learn - sound pocket passing technique and much more sound fundamentals. At one point in the game last night they showed a comparison between the way Vick dropped back to pass and set up to throw in Atlanta versus what he is now doing under Reid. Instead of hopping back in his drop and standing stiff-legged, he became much more smooth and balanced. The change was subtle but what that change enables him to do AS A PASSER have been dramatic. After 6 years in Atlanta, and after many observers felt Vick would never be much of a passer, Reid has re-molded him into a very good, accurate passer. His rating is now 102 with 63% accuracy, both much higher than he was in his BEST year as a Falcon.
For Alex, OTOH, Nolan immediately commenced to TAKE AWAY what Smith did well and turn him into something else. So if the Vick example is of any value at all, it should tell us that a good coach could bring back the things Smith USED to do well and improve on the main thing - passing - after all, both players had the same amount of time in a system that was not making them better passers.
Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Good lord look at all them purdy lil alexuses.
Don't forget to mention his intentional grounding penalties, overthrows, and pre-mature throwaways, interceptions, sacks, loss after loss after loss after loss.
I don't see other qbs making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:Is that really all you got from my posting on Vick's history?Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by ttime1:Thanks for the compliment.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by TN-Niner:Your post brings back a graphic from the Eagles/Cowboys game last night in which they noted how Andy Reid has COMPLETELY rebuilt his playing style. Here is the gist of it:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Excuses are like @#@##@, everyone has one and they all stink.
Like Bill Parcells says, you are what your record says you are. It is that simple. Alex has six years and not one playoff appearance. I do not care what the reason is, if it is lack of preparation during the week, coaching or that Jupiter is in Aquarius.
It is time for Alex to go. I wish him luck, but, please GO.
Michael Vick spent 6 years with the Atlanta Falcons. During that time his completion average was 55% and his rating was 75. He acquired the reputation of being inconsistent and very inaccurate when trying to throw from the pocket. I recall most pro observers saying that he would never achieve his potential. He just wasn't a good pro quarterback, rather, he was a runner who played QB.
So he goes to Philly and Reid re-molds him and he is now one of the top 3 pocket passers in the league.
Now couple that Vick history and record of his career with the fact we KNOW how poor the offensive coaching has been here ever since Nolan arrived, and if one is to be at all realistic, they should recognize that a good coach can do something similar with Alex Smith.
So while I am one who recognizes that this team needs much better QB play than it has received in the past few years, I also recognize that this offense has looked VERY different since Mike Johnson took over as OC, and that Smith's mechanics are also improved. What we saw yesterday, albeit against a weaker team than Atlanta or Philly, was what I believe Smith is capable of doing on a regular basis if the offense is allowed to function at pro level.
We cannot be logically true if we criticize Singletary for poor coaching but expect that one of his key players will not be adversely effected by that poor coaching. You can't have one without the other.
DJ; you are a very good poster and more often than not, I agree with you. In this case however, comparing Smith to Vick is comical. Vick was a MVP before he went to Philli. Yes coach Reid has made a postive difference, but Vick's renewed comiitment to the game is what has allowed both to create a win-win situation. 49ers management should get an F- for not following Sing's lead to acquire Vick. He wanted him and developed his coaching staff in anticipation of getting him and he could have been gotten- this team woul be in the play-offs as we speak.
I believe that Alex needed to step away from the game for a minute. He saw what leadership skills that he had to further develop through Troy. It also gave him some time to reevaluate his decision making and his game. I find it ironic that some fans call Sing stupid although he has supported Smith and Smith has produced his best numbers under Sing. Smith's previous performace can not be blamed on anyone but himself. He made some very poor decisions and throws which significantly contributed to this team's losing record. He has the authority to change any play at any time and if he did not like the play calling, he could call an audible. I don't buy that it was the defense's fault; just as I don't buy it's the offenses fault why the defense remains on the field too long-stop the other team and get off the field. simple as that.
But, I am hopeful that Smith steps up his leadership (eg. instead of walking off the field mumbling when he did not connect with Crabtree- get with him and figure it out). I am also hopeful that he continues to not turn the ball over and does not rely too heavily on short passes. Defenses will take that away from him and he has to show the ability to consistenly throw long to win that chess match.
Perhaps I was not as clear about WHERE I was comparing Smith to Vick.
My post was about Vick as a PASSER. Everyone knew he was a good runner but his passing game remained suspect through all his time in Atlanta. It was only after coming to Philly that Reid was able to bring his passing game up to where it is now.
Which brings me back to the critical point about coaching and the DIFFERENCE between Smith and Vick.
Andy Reid was perceptive enough to KEEP what Vick did so well and ADD the technique he needed to learn - sound pocket passing technique and much more sound fundamentals. At one point in the game last night they showed a comparison between the way Vick dropped back to pass and set up to throw in Atlanta versus what he is now doing under Reid. Instead of hopping back in his drop and standing stiff-legged, he became much more smooth and balanced. The change was subtle but what that change enables him to do AS A PASSER have been dramatic. After 6 years in Atlanta, and after many observers felt Vick would never be much of a passer, Reid has re-molded him into a very good, accurate passer. His rating is now 102 with 63% accuracy, both much higher than he was in his BEST year as a Falcon.
For Alex, OTOH, Nolan immediately commenced to TAKE AWAY what Smith did well and turn him into something else. So if the Vick example is of any value at all, it should tell us that a good coach could bring back the things Smith USED to do well and improve on the main thing - passing - after all, both players had the same amount of time in a system that was not making them better passers.
Vick runs well. What exactly did Smith do well?
Originally posted by 190836:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20101212/NEWS/101219880/1057/SPORTS0908?p=all&tc=pgall
I agree with everything he says.
Originally posted by nickbradley:Not really, but I am tired of losing year after year. Its the idiots like you who drink cool aid and don't see a problem with eight straight losing seasons.Originally posted by 190836:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20101212/NEWS/101219880/1057/SPORTS0908?p=all&tc=pgall
I agree with everything he says.
Sounds like one of the dumbasses on this board who hope we lose.
Originally posted by susweel:I did, he is spot on on everything he said about the Yorks and Singletary. Love the way he called Jed "the kid".
Anybody catch that Lowell Cohn interview on KNBR this morning ?
Originally posted by 190836:Originally posted by susweel:I did, he is spot on on everything he said about the Yorks and Singletary. Love the way he called Jed "the kid".
Anybody catch that Lowell Cohn interview on KNBR this morning ?
Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Good lord look at all them purdy lil alexuses.
Don't forget to mention his intentional grounding penalties, overthrows, and pre-mature throwaways, interceptions, sacks, loss after loss after loss after loss.
I don't see other qbs making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does.
My bad. i don't see other QBs consistently making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does....
SCHAUB>>Smith
And btw, Schaub led them down by 21 against one of the best defenses in the league. When has A.Smith ever done anything like that? Smith would have chocked on his own jock strap and been benched.
Originally posted by Jakemall:Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Good lord look at all them purdy lil alexuses.
Don't forget to mention his intentional grounding penalties, overthrows, and pre-mature throwaways, interceptions, sacks, loss after loss after loss after loss.
I don't see other qbs making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does.
My bad. i don't see other QBs consistently making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does....
SCHAUB>>Smith
And btw, Schaub led them down by 21 against one of the best defenses in the league. When has A.Smith ever done anything like that? Smith would have chocked on his own jock strap and been benched.
Actually, Alex has done that several times. The knock has always been that he has this big come back only to fall short for whatever reason. Defense blows it, he throws a pick, other team makes an amazing play.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by Young2Rice:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by leebert81:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
OK, I forgive the team's performance this season if they could make it to 8 - 8. But then again, I know I am just foolin myself to be keep believing that they could. Alex Smith is so inconsistent about his performance every week that it makes my azz hurt watching him play. Bottom line, no-go, delete this QB after they loose to the Rams.
What?
Why even bother?
We had a 1-6 record before Alex got benched. Defense was the cause of 4 of the losses.
Seattle was a trap game. How do you prepare for an Offense you've never seen? Alex played pretty well in the first half and the Defense was average into the 2nd Quarter.
The one game that really killed Alex was the KC game but be honest, that was Coaching at its worst. Every side of the ball sucked. You could blame it on the QB but you would only be 1/44th right.
So if you look at the games lost by the Defense(i.e. Saints, Falcons, Iggles) Alex actually played pretty consistently. He had turnovers sure. But only cause Sing's feathering the brakes all game long.
Ahhh but that's the price you pay when you're the number 1 overall pick and the fans are unhappy with you in San Francisco.
~Ceadder
This is one of the most dumbest post I have ever seen and is the exact reason why many 49ers fans dislike Alex. Coaching did not cause Alex to throw interceptions, miss open recievers and fumble away the ball! He doesn't turn the ball over and they win majority of the games they lost. In fact, he did not have a spectacular game today as most of his passing yards came from yards AFTER the catch and great plays by his teammates. He was off target on many of his passes and still dinks too much. To his credit,he did not turn the ball over today and hopefully this game will give him more confidence to lead this team to a victory on thursaday. Hopefully Crabtree shows up and give him more help. But for God sakes, please stop blaming his failures on everyone else!!! It's sickening.
It's just Ceadder being Ceadder. Yeah, the 3 games he pointed out where he claims the defense lost those games Alex had 5 TD, 6 INTS and a fumble returned for a TD. Our defense sucked so much they made Alex have 7 turn overs in those 3 games LOL. He is right about one thing though, Alex did play consistently...
And yet he belittles us "haters" that we are blind and can't see the truth.
LB
Hey pot, kettle called...
Y'know it's funny that you guys act like the Defense played well in those losses. They didn't. I've not now nor have I ever stated that Alex didn't have a hand in the losses. Yet the one consistent thing that we have is a Defense that when NEEDED to step up, they fell on their sword instead.
Saints game: Smith ties the game with a gutsy 4th quarter performance. The Defense just needs to hold up til the clock peters out and they can get into OT and with the momentum they had they could have won. Against the Super Bowl Champs no less. Play calling played a big role in the Loss as well.
Atlanta game, I agree that Nate was trying to do something with the ball, but when he saw that he probably wasn't going to get much farther, step out of bounds. Nothing wrong with doing so. He got them to within scoring range no need to force the issue. Great hustle by RW to pop the ball loose. Defense is winded and from then on all bets are off. A game needlessly lost due to the Bell Cow FilLosophy. 4 picks in 2 games and who is at the center of a good bunch of those? An ill prepared Crabtree. But if Nate goes out of Bounds the game is within reach. I won't trash Nate but that wasn't a good play.
Philly game. Defense couldn't stop a little kid from crossing the street with a bag full of candy to distract them that day. Did Alex throw picks? Yes, two of them one was a pick six. Don't know what he saw on that one but the 2nd one could have happened to anybody. It's the job of the Defense to keep you in close games. It's their job to keep the opponent out of the End Zone. I won't get on them for the P6 but c'mon dude you cannot say the Defense didn't cough that game up. Alex was put into the position of having to come from behind by the Game plan. Pretty much right off the bat, imho. Sing has this horrible habit of slowing things down when we get points on the board. He did it yesterday in the 2nd Half. Once Goldson took that 6 in we went right to Bell Cow.
You can't really hand Smith the Carolina Loss. He was playing reasonably well and then got demolished for the other shoulder to get separated.
KC Game? The whole team sucked that day.
Seattle game was pretty much Lost the moment we got off the plane. They knew us we didn't know them and we walked right into that ambush with flowers and candy for them.
The Raiders game he played pretty well.
Now pick your poison. Which games did HE lose. Be fair about it. I'll give you props if you can give me reasons why the Defense did what it was supposed to do.
~Ceadder
Good lord look at all them purdy lil alexuses.
Don't forget to mention his intentional grounding penalties, overthrows, and pre-mature throwaways, interceptions, sacks, loss after loss after loss after loss.
I don't see other qbs making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does.
My bad. i don't see other QBs consistently making critical mistakes that cost us points like A. Smith does....
SCHAUB>>Smith
And btw, Schaub led them down by 21 against one of the best defenses in the league. When has A.Smith ever done anything like that? Smith would have chocked on his own jock strap and been benched.
