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  • fly15
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Alex >>>> Troy

That is not debatable. But go ahead... blame the receivers now. The DL kept Troy from scrambling around and he didn't know where to go with the ball. Know why? Because TB finally had film to counter Troy with... and he choked. He was a huge part of why we suffered the nastiest home shutout in 50 years. Has anyone even mentioned the awful short swing passes that Troy missed on? Wow... good thing he can run round real good, huh?

better than Alex...

Better at scrambling around like a roach and chucking the ball up in double coverage? yeah... Troy is better with that.

yes, but you know what, Alex is on the bench now, and probably will stay there for the rest of the season. so thats good.
now, Troy lost ONE game, lets see what he can do in the coming weeks... give him a break
  • Pick6
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Originally posted by binary2nd:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:

Give it up already.....................

Alex is done

Dude, if this s**t is true... the whole team is done. Full rebuild mode for another decade.

Plus, he's right... Alex Smith was getting the blame the whole time. That's bulls**t.

Troy had one bad game, calm down dude, and YES most of the time it was Alexs' fault

Caps lock doesn't make your point any stronger. NO, most of the time it wasn't, we saw that yesterday when the team put up the WORST offensive performance in years, HISTORICALLY bad.

Why didn't Troy chuck it downfield anyway? Isn't that what everyone wants? Throw the ball downfield and let the rec's make a play. Receivers don't have to be open... they do of course have to be looking.

This teams has issues ALL over and I thoroughly believer they are ALL directly related to coaching.
  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by susweel:



At this point I could care less. We are 3-7 headed to a 5-11 finish. All these men are hopefully gone next and we can move on with some better players and coaches.

I just find it funny that Alex fans want Troy benched after one bad game when Alex has countless bad games.

Well, you've cared long enough to post about Alex in just about every thread.

You find that funny and all the "Alex fans" find it funny that you said the failure of our offense was 100% Alex Smith's fault.

Personally, I want Troy on the bench. I don't want the kid to get killed. He's taken 11 sacks in the last two games. I don't want him to end up roadkill. I'm not an "Alex fan".

My tongue is tired now.
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Alex >>>> Troy

That is not debatable. But go ahead... blame the receivers now. The DL kept Troy from scrambling around and he didn't know where to go with the ball. Know why? Because TB finally had film to counter Troy with... and he choked. He was a huge part of why we suffered the nastiest home shutout in 50 years. Has anyone even mentioned the awful short swing passes that Troy missed on? Wow... good thing he can run round real good, huh?

better than Alex...

Better at scrambling around like a roach and chucking the ball up in double coverage? yeah... Troy is better with that.



Calling a black man a roach. Really ???
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Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:



At this point I could care less. We are 3-7 headed to a 5-11 finish. All these men are hopefully gone next and we can move on with some better players and coaches.

I just find it funny that Alex fans want Troy benched after one bad game when Alex has countless bad games.

Well, you've cared long enough to post about Alex in just about every thread.

You find that funny and all the "Alex fans" find it funny that you said the failure of our offense was 100% Alex Smith's fault.

Personally, I want Troy on the bench. I don't want the kid to get killed. He's taken 11 sacks in the last two games. I don't want him to end up roadkill. I'm not an "Alex fan".

My tongue is tired now.

use your hands now
I was at the game and even though the recievers weren't getting open the way they were against the Rams, there were tons of times guys like Crabtree and even Morgan were getting good separation but Troy just ran around and got sacked.

Troy played really bad yesterday, the O-Line was also of no help, and the run game was s**t too.

With this said, I'd still have him start, the reason being this: Alex Smith is done. He is not going to be here next year and the season is done anyway. Why put him in? Let Troy audition for maybe the 2nd string position next year and get a QB in free agency and the draft.

No point wasting time with Smith. I bet both him and the Niners can't wait till the season's over so they can part ways.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Alex >>>> Troy

That is not debatable. But go ahead... blame the receivers now. The DL kept Troy from scrambling around and he didn't know where to go with the ball. Know why? Because TB finally had film to counter Troy with... and he choked. He was a huge part of why we suffered the nastiest home shutout in 50 years. Has anyone even mentioned the awful short swing passes that Troy missed on? Wow... good thing he can run round real good, huh?

better than Alex...

Better at scrambling around like a roach and chucking the ball up in double coverage? yeah... Troy is better with that.



Calling a black man a roach. Really ???
  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Alex has had much worse games than troy.
Alex has NEVER had a game like the one troy had last week.

debate that.

This is true. Troy was sacked more than Alex has in a single game his entire career.

Please excuse my Caps Lock.

AND HE TOOK THOSE SACKS FORM THE WORST PASS RUSHING TEAM IN FOOTBALL.

Caps are anger at the o-line and coaches, not Troy.
thought so.........
  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by fly15:


use your hands now

I can't help it... I have to pantomime every smiley that I post.
  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by susweel:




Calling a black man a roach. Really ???

I don't get it....
  • fly15
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Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Alex has had much worse games than troy.
Alex has NEVER had a game like the one troy had last week.

debate that.

This is true. Troy was sacked more than Alex has in a single game his entire career.

Please excuse my Caps Lock.

AND HE TOOK THOSE SACKS FORM THE WORST PASS RUSHING TEAM IN FOOTBALL.

Caps are anger at the o-line and coaches, not Troy.

good
  • dj43
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Originally posted by 4evrfan:
I haven't seen this topic addressed directly pertaining to yesterday's game, so......
Eevn though Smith was running for his life much of the game, there were many times he had plenty of time to find a receiver because of his scrambling ability and other times, just because he would for once, have time in the pocket (rare, I admit). However, he never seemed to find an open guy. Is itr because our receivers just don't get open much (running wrong routes or unable to get seperation), or was he just not seeing the field real well? Or both? Frankly, I'm concerned it was more the former and our receivers just aren't that good (and I'm including the overrated crabtree in this discussion).
I posted this in another thread but I'll repeat it here because this is a better place for it.

There are three things that must ALL happen for a receiver to be EFFECTIVELY open.

1. Receivers must run the route ON TIME and get open at the SAME TIME as the QB sets up to throw to that specific receiver.

2. The OL must create a clear passing lane for the QB at the SAME TIME as the receiver is open.

3. The QB must be looking at the specific receiver and be able throw to him at the SAME TIME as #1 & #2 above.

If all three of these do not happen ON TIME, the receiver is not open. Just because we may look down on the field and see a receiver that does not have a DB next to them at the moment we see them does NOT mean they are open.

In my observations, I do not see 49er receivers getting open on time with any real consistency. Another observation is that none of them draw double coverage with the exception of Vernon Davis and what he draws is a LB and a safety, and that does not help WRs get open. None of the wideouts draw double coverage. Typically Crabtree draws the opponents best DB, who usually does a good job of covering him. The second best CB takes Morgan and covers him very well - Morgan is rarely open on timing routes. He just doesn't have the moves. Ginn draws a nickel back or safety and the story it the same - not open on time.

Another problem is that the pass patterns do not seem to build on one another. They rarely seem to use rub or pick patterns to help each other get open.

Those are just my observations on the receivers and I find they are generally true. Some of the issues are talent-level driven while others are coaching and play design. None appear to be solvable this season, IMO, although I would hope that Johnson can link some patterns together to help the situation.

I welcome comments from others who have seen games in person and watch receivers run their patterns and not just the ball all the time.
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by fly15:


as much as I wanna say no, yes

Awesome. ::hug::

I don't care if Alex or Troy or Luck or Montana is behind center. The rest of this crap needs to get fixed before any QB can have success here.

It's disgusting to me that the entire offense is as bad as it is.

I do care, I hope is Luck next year, if Troy suxs the rest of the season...

I watch Luck vs Oregon. He wasnt very impressive.
Originally posted by excelsior:
While Alex was QB, he was often criticized for being indecisive, for unnecessarily throwing the ball away or for checking down, for which some derisively labeled him "Captain Checkdown."

I give Alex credit for being smart and reasonably experienced, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt that it was because he couldn't find open receivers downfield. Occassionally, the TV camara would look downfield and you could see that the receivers were covered and were not breaking open.

Alex did what any competent QB would do, and he went elsewhere with the ball. Often, we would see Vernon go downfield and he would not turn around when the QB desparately wanted to throw to him. This happened again near the end of yesterday's game, only this time Troy was the victim.

Bottom line: our receivers often let our QBs down. If its Alex, it's Alex's fault. If it's Troy, it's on the receivers.

90% of the time there are open receivers and Alex Smith can't find them.

alex will never be as good as troy

[ Edited by WestCoast on Nov 22, 2010 at 17:02:42 ]
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