Who was the worse 49er Head Coach out of the last 2 Mikes? | Page 2

zozell · 2010-11-15T09:24:40-08:00

Here are the Stats... Use the stats. Use your personal feelings. Use your logic. Whatever it is... Who was/is worse? Mike Nolan Coaching career The son of former San Francisco 49ers and New Orleans Saints head coach, Dick Nolan, he signed with the 49ers in 2005 to be head coach, following in his father's footsteps. Nolan joined San Francisco after establishing himself as the defensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, a position he held with three other teams: New York Jets (2000), Washington Redskins (1997–99), and New York Giants (1993–96). Nolan finished the 2005 season with a 4–12 record. Nolan led a late season run and the 49ers improved in 2006 to 7–9. That led to expectations for the 2007 season, which included at least 9 wins and a playoff appearance. The season started well at 2–0, but an 8 game losing streak ended all hope of a playoff run. Nolan had been under intense scrutiny in the Bay Area. After the season, Nolan lost his general manager position and on October 20, 2008, Nolan was fired and replaced by his assistant head coach Mike Singletary. In early 2009 Mike Nolan became the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos under Josh McDaniels. With a new 3-4 defense the Denver Broncos gave up the fewest points in the NFL (66) during the first six games of the season, and made their way to their first 6-0 start since the 1998 season in which they won Super Bowl XXXIII. The Broncos went 2 and 8 the rest of the way, and missed the playoffs. On January 18, 2010 Mike Nolan and Josh McDaniels mutually decided Nolan would resign as the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos. On January 19, 2010, Nolan was hired by the Miami Dolphins as Defensive Coordinator. Suit issue Following his hiring by the 49ers, Nolan asked the NFL for permission to wear a suit and tie on the sidelines as a tribute to his father. The league initially denied Nolan's request because of the contract it has with Reebok for its coaches to wear team-logo attire, a ruling that was changed during Nolan's second season as coach. In the new NFL policy, coaches were allowed to wear a full suit for only two home games per season. The suits were designed, marketed and labeled under the Reebok corporation. Nolan debuted the suit in a game at home against the Seattle Seahawks on November 19, 2006. A day later, Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio sported another Reebok suit on Monday Night Football. Both coaches won their weekend games. After further lobbying by Nolan, the NFL and Reebok reached an agreement to allow suits to be worn at all home games in the 2007 season. Coaching tree Mike Nolan has been linked to more than one coaching tree. He was a defensive coordinator for Brian Billick (who is part of the Sid Gillman/Bill Walsh coaching tree), Al Groh (who is part of the Bill Parcells coaching tree), and Norv Turner (part of the Jimmy Johnson tree). However, Nolan is most directly related to Dan Reeves. Reeves brought Nolan with him from Denver (where he was linebackers coach) to be the New York Giants defensive coordinator in 1993. Nolan excelled at the position and his success served as a springboard for later success with other teams. Mike Singletary 2008 Singletary became the interim head coach of the 49ers after Mike Nolan was fired on October 20, 2008. Singletary instantly made a statement in San Francisco by sending tight end Vernon Davis to the locker room with more than 10 minutes remaining in his head coaching debut, a 34-13 loss to the Seattle Seahawks on October 26, 2008. Davis was penalized 15 yards for slapping Seattle safety Brian Russell after a reception. In a post-game press conference, Singletary called Davis' actions "uncoachable" and said that he would rather play with a 10-man squad than have to deal with an apathetic 11-man squad. It was later reported that during halftime of their game against the Seahawks, Singletary intentionally dropped his pants while giving a speech to illustrate just how poorly the 49ers had played in the first half. Taking over the 2-5 49ers team, Singletary was able to finish the season 5–4 under his leadership (for a final team record of 7–9). On December 28, 2008, after a 27–24 come-from-behind victory over the Washington Redskins, Singletary was offered the team's long-term head coaching position, and signed a 4 year, $10 million contract as the 49ers head coach. 2009 After leading the 49ers to a positive finish in 2008, Singletary helped the team jump out to a 3–1 overall start in the 2009 season. Despite a last-second loss to the Brett Favre-led Minnesota Vikings in Week 3, the 49ers recorded wins against the reigning NFC champion Arizona Cardinals and NFC West divisional rival Seattle Seahawks and St. Louis Rams. While the 49ers were being blown out by the visiting Atlanta Falcons in Week 5, Singletary lost his temper over his team's poor play; afterward, he expressed remorse for his actions, saying how he wished he "had more coaching etiquette" while reiterating how he would "get better at those things as time goes on." In the weeks to come, Singletary and offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye would drastically alter the 49ers' game plan, opting to start quarterback Alex Smith in place of Shaun Hill while adopting more of a spread offense. The new game plan had mixed results, as the 49ers posted a 2-5 record from Week 7 to Week 13 and struggled to maintain their playoff hopes. In a Week 14 Monday Night Football matchup against the Arizona Cardinals, however, Singletary and his coaching staff were better able to integrate running back Frank Gore into the spread offense and pulled off an impressive 24-9 victory. With this momentum and their slim playoff hopes still alive, the 49ers visited the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 15, but subsequently lost, 27-13. After the game, a disappointed Singletary emphasized his team's continued need to improve, but still backed Smith as the team's starting quarterback. Singletary helped the 49ers end the season on a high note with victories against the Detroit Lions and St. Louis Rams to reach 8-8, the team's first non-losing season since 2002. Five players on the 2009 team were named to play in the NFL Pro Bowl. The players are Patrick Willis, Andy Lee, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, and Justin Smith. Also in 2009, Singletary joined other members of the 1985 Chicago Bears in resurrecting the Super Bowl Shuffle for a Boost Mobile commercial broadcast during Super Bowl XLIV. 2010 The 49ers began the 2010 season with a 0-5 record, their worst start since 1979. In week six, they nabbed their first victory by beating their cross-bay rivals, the Oakland Raiders. Coaching tree NFL head coaches under whom Mike Singletary was a player: Mike Ditka, Chicago Bears (1982–1992) of the famous Tom Landry Coaching Tree. Tom Landry invented the popular 4-3 defense strategy. NFL head coaches under whom Mike Singletary has served: Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens (2003–2004) who falls under Bill Walsh Coaching Tree, through Dennis Green a disciple of Bill Walsh who invented the West Coast Offense. Mike Nolan, San Francisco 49ers (2005–2008) who falls under Tom Landry Coaching Tree, through Dan Reeves a protege of Tom Landry. Assistant coaches under Mike Singletary who became NFL head coaches: None

Nov 15, 2010 at 12:48 PM

#16

TexasNiner
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Originally posted by DRnSFw:
BOTH Suck..

This.

It's like that old joke that asks "If you are buried up to your neck in crap and someone throws vomit at your face....do you duck?"

"Worse" is such a relative term here because both failed so horribly and in such different ways.

It's a coin flip. A face full of Nolan crap or Singletary vomit? Either way you f@cked.

Nov 15, 2010 at 12:55 PM

#17

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Lookin back, Nolan calling Alex a p***y makes me believe he actually recognized what most of the Zone took 6 years to figure out- he is a p***y!

The thought of Singletary in control of that original roster is more than just frightening- 0-16 would have been a reality.

If Nolan had half of the talent the Bungletary has, he would probably still be here. It took Alex getting hurt, so could finally win. When you say change to Dinglebary, he turns his underwear inside out

Nov 15, 2010 at 1:23 PM

#18

susweel
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Originally posted by DRnSFw:
BOTH Suck..

Nov 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM

#19

BobS
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Even though the records make you think Nolan, I think Dingletary has squandered more talent.

Nov 15, 2010 at 2:03 PM

#20

BHulman
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Originally posted by superman49er:
Originally posted by boast:
Dennis Erickson

agree, he put our franchise in a huge hole

Donahue (horrible drafting) and the salary cap situation did far more damage than Erickson did.

Nov 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM

#21

D_Niner
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Gotta go with Mike on this one...

Nov 15, 2010 at 2:13 PM

#22

DonnieDarko
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Originally posted by superman49er:
Originally posted by boast:
Dennis Erickson

agree, he put our franchise in a huge hole

wtf?

erickson is better than both of those douchebags

Nov 15, 2010 at 7:58 PM

#23

SanDiego49er
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Yorks hire only coaches who suck.

Prefer...

~ Defensive minded coach. Knows nothing about offense.
~ Zero head coach experience.
~ Winning record not required.
~ The less you know about QB development the better...

~ Must come real cheap by HC standards.
~ No GM will be provided. Must do without this.

Both Mikes suck. And so did Erickson.

Nov 15, 2010 at 8:27 PM

#24

DominantQE
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Singletary and agree with the reasons mentioned

Nov 15, 2010 at 8:28 PM

#25

titan
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For sure we can not hire a coach with a name Mike anymore.

Nov 15, 2010 at 8:29 PM

#26

TheXFactor
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Nolan by a mile

Nov 15, 2010 at 8:47 PM

#27

SanDiego49er
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Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Nolan by a mile

I'd say he was actually a lot better on game management / time management issues. Dingleberry doesn't have a clue.

Nov 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM

#28

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I would say both...............but Jed York is the worst

And for desert here is a little flashback .......

York: Singletary, McCloughan safe

SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco 49ers team president Jed York gave a big vote of confidence to coach Mike Singletary and general manger Scot McCloughan on Monday, saying both men would be with the franchise for the 2010 season.

"No question," York said.

York credited Singletary's passion as a positive trait for the coach, who had the interim tag lifted from his title for this season after taking over for the fired Mike Nolan in October 2008 -- and he received a four-year contract. Singletary's 49ers were 5-7 heading into Monday night's game against the reigning NFC champion Arizona Cardinals.

"That he's able to instill what he wants into the players, even if that means he has to retool it, he's not too stubborn to say, 'Well, this is who I am, this is who we have to be and you have to adapt to me,'" York said. "He will adapt to his players as well, and you've seen that with the offense a little bit. ... It's something that he has to learn for himself, how he's going to give and how he's going to take. I think he's doing a good job at that."McCloughan is wrapping up his second season as San Francisco's GM after working the previous three years as the club's vice president of player personnel. McCloughan, York said, is credited for helping draft standout tight end Vernon Davis sixth overall in 2006 and then wide receiver Michael Crabtree with the 10th overall pick this year. McCloughan finally got Crabtree signed Oct. 7 following a 71-day contract impasse. York only looks forward to more strong moves through the draft considering the 49ers will have two first-round picks in 2010.

"I think he's doing a great job," York said, speaking on the field at Candlestick Park. "When you look at some of the young talent that's starting to emerge, when you look at the way Vernon's playing, when you look at the way Alex [Smith] is playing a little bit, I think Scot has a great eye for talent and I think he's great at working with coach Singletary. And together, they're not just trying to find good players, they're trying to find good players that fit the 49ers and that's something that takes working together to be able to build that. And I think we're going to be able to build that even more in the future, especially with two first-round picks next year, and I'm really excited to see what we can do with that."

York also offered support for offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye and Smith. Raye is the Niners' seventh offensive coordinator in as many years and York would like to establish some continuity in that spot, though he acknowledged, "That's Mike's call.""I think it's very important to have continuity," York said. "I think Mike has talked about the great job that Jimmy has done. It's a process, it's not something that happens overnight. I think you are starting to see the offense come together a little bit.Guys trust Jimmy Raye, they believe in Jimmy Raye. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Even though we aren't all the way where we want to be, I think we're moving in that direction. I think you can see that."

Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in 2005 out of Utah, took over as the starter in place of Shaun Hill after halftime of a loss at Houston on Oct. 25 and has grown with each start. He threw for a career-high 310 yards in last week's loss at Seattle.

"He has to prove it to Mike," York said of Smith. "I think he's going in the right direction. You need a quarterback to win. He's playing well. The quarterback drives it, but you have to have the pieces around it. You're starting to see the pieces around it."

York.............. Get a good GM and let him run the team

[ Edited by kezar49er on Nov 15, 2010 at 21:33:25 ]

Nov 15, 2010 at 9:33 PM

#29

backontop
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Originally posted by DRnSFw:
BOTH Suck..

this

Nov 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM

#30

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Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Sorry this is a DUMB poll and Ill tell you why...M Singletary started off with a team thats a pretty good team overall...Mike Nolan on the other hand started off with a team that was worse than the Niners of the late 70s when Deberg was their QB. And Nolan still managed to somehow win 4 games with a team that should have been lucky to win 1 game.

Completely agree.