SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 11)

Originally posted by teeohh:
i've got a good feeling about this

And after the game starts on Sunday, the bucs fans will be saying:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Kauaiguy:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Oh lordy, the irony. All these bucs fans calling everybody "Homers".



They've had half a good season and all of the sudden they're a power house that's unbeatable.

Let's take a closer look at whom they beat:

Carolina, Cardinals, Rams, Bengals, Carolina and the Browns.

Not exactly stellar teams are they?

Yeah, I give them credit for winning the games, though. You still gotta do that. But I agree that, just like us, they haven't beat anybody worth an actual s**t. Should be a good game. It's gonna be wet and sloppy with the weather getting nothing but worse. That changes a lot about how the game will go.

You said wet and sloppy...I concur 100%

This is when the O has the advantage and can come out with a giant frickin' bang, the kind you tell your friends about. It makes them respond to where no matter what they do, it's like surrender so you just got to drive it home and never stop to the point of total exhaustion.

Seriously though, Gore will have an extraordinary day. This is made for him allowing other to get open as a result of the D creeping toward the LOS. Go ahead, let them as they try to turn and backpedal in the mud, they will be hard pressed to keep up with our more physical WRs like Crabtree, Morgan and Ziegler. Then add Davis and Walker who are themselves physical specimens who can take a simple screen to the house in this mess.

Yea, I'm excited about this ol' brand of ball. I'll be there with my lil girl roaring like no other.

Gore is the key to everything. Troy just needs to turn it when he needs to as we have seen. I really believe that Troy and Co. are going to have fun and in doing so execute their game plan like we did on the streets, the backyards, the fields...ol' fashioned way, you know?

I just get that sense about their "air" right now, all of them. There seems to be more camaraderie and cohesiveness. Then add Troy's elusiveness and decisiveness with his command of his troops and you have yourself a recipe for success.

Look for kids playing in the mud in a stadium near you.



[ Edited by ninertico on Nov 19, 2010 at 20:11:11 ]

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by DeepPewterC:
Josh Freeman: "Does anybody have a match??? 'Cause I s**t my pants watching film of Patrick Willis..."

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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Freeman's ceiling is much higher than Bradford's, why exactly? Because you say so?




Arrogance doesn't make your opinion correct. You call people here homers and you're nothing but one yourself. If you want people to take you seriously, try being objective.

Isn't that enough???

Ok, I'll digress.

IMHO, here's why Freeman's ceiling is higher than Bradford's. I'll touch on these points briefly, then we'll go back to doing what you and I love most ( which is discussing some more Buc Ball), Okay? Here goes:




Being the Super-Homer-QB-Analyst that I am, this is my personal list of criteria which determines a QB's ceiling (priority first):


1) Will to win
2) Physical Skills
A. Arm Strength
B. Size / Strength
C. Evasiveness
3) Desire to Improve
4) Work ethic to improve
5) Mental Capacity to grasp techniques and schemes
6) Awareness
7) Focus
8) Calmness under pressure
9) Sound decisions
10) Leadership/Inspiration

This list is by no means complete, just a sample. But per my criteria, TROY SMITH has a higher ceiling than Bradford. Why? Because physical skills can't be taught. Sam, while not being as immobile as Drew Bledsoe, is somewhat lacking in evasiveness. He ability to extend plays is somewhat lacking...

Please refer back to the Eagles vs. the Redskins. The era of the evasive QB threat has re-emerged.

So I actually would argue that TROY has the physicals to match Bradford (minus the height). Troy is closer to a Vick type QB in elusiveness. But what Bradford has displayed thus far can be learned...

Freeman's elusiveness is slightly different than Smith's or Vick's quickness. His evasiveness stems from the illusion of his size. He's faster than a QB his size should be, yet strong enough to shake many tackles. Freeman is equivalent to an extremely athletic Rothlisberger (at least physically). But elusive none the less.

Also, Freeman consistently displays numbers 3 - 10 and is getting better every day...




[ Edited by DeepPewterC on Nov 19, 2010 at 20:21:20 ]

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by DeepPewterC:

Originally posted by WestCoast:

Originally posted by DeepPewterC:

Originally posted by Kauaiguy:
Heavy rain and soaking fields gives the advantage to the receivers. 49er's who NEVER cheats, used to soak the field when they were up against really good runners.

Then they would blame it on the poor drainage because it's sitting on a wet landfill. LOL!

So the runners will have the disadvantage due to poor traction. Whereby the receivers know where they're going and the pass defenders will have to react accordingly. Once again at a disadvantage when they have to make a sudden change of direction.

I don't know what kind of a passer Freeman is, but we know what Troy can do.

Advantage: 49er's Don't expect Gore or Blount to rip off yards.

Dude, you've GOT to be kidding me. If you don't know what type of passer Freeman is, then make sure you tune in for the game - you'll find out soon enough...

sam bradford>>freeman

Sam's a good rookie. But Freeman's potential ceiling is much higher than Bradford's. Not to mention Freeman beat Bradford head to head with a porous D-line vs Stephen Jackson.

Yeah and Vince Young's ceiling is much higher than Peyton Manning's right? WTF are you talking about?

No, not really. But only because Young has yet to develop some of the mental attributes that I've listed.

Originally posted by DeepPewterC:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Freeman's ceiling is much higher than Bradford's, why exactly? Because you say so?




Arrogance doesn't make your opinion correct. You call people here homers and you're nothing but one yourself. If you want people to take you seriously, try being objective.

Isn't that enough???

Ok, I'll digress.

IMHO, here's why Freeman's ceiling is higher than Bradford's. I'll touch on these points briefly, then we'll go back to doing what you and I love most ( which is discussing some more Buc Ball), Okay? Here goes:




Being the Super-Homer-QB-Analyst that I am, this is my personal list of criteria which determines a QB's ceiling (priority first):


1) Will to win
2) Physical Skills
A. Arm Strength
B. Size / Strength
C. Evasiveness
3) Desire to Improve
4) Work ethic to improve
5) Mental Capacity to grasp techniques and schemes
6) Awareness
7) Focus
8) Calmness under pressure
9) Sound decisions
10) Leadership/Inspiration

This list is by no means complete, just a sample. But per my criteria, TROY SMITH has a higher ceiling than Bradford. Why? Because physical skills can't be taught. Sam, while not being as immobile as Drew Bledsoe, is somewhat lacking in evasiveness. He ability to extend plays is somewhat lacking...

Please refer back to the Eagles vs. the Redskins. The era of the evasive QB threat has re-emerged.

So I actually would argue that TROY has the physicals to match Bradford (minus the height). Troy is closer to a Vick type QB in elusiveness. But what Bradford has displayed thus far can be learned...

Freeman's elusiveness is slightly different than Smith's or Vick's quickness. His evasiveness stems from the illusion of his size. He's faster than a QB his size should be, yet strong enough to shake many tackles. Freeman is equivalent to an extremely athletic Rothlisberger (at least physically). But elusive none the less.

Also, Freeman consistently displays numbers 3 - 10 and is getting better every day...

Thank god the Webzone is as big a site as it is. We could never fit your head in it if it wasn't.

Originally posted by Kauaiguy:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Oh lordy, the irony. All these bucs fans calling everybody "Homers".



They've had half a good season and all of the sudden they're a power house that's unbeatable.

Let's take a closer look at whom they beat:

Carolina, Cardinals, Rams, Bengals, Carolina and the Browns.

Not exactly stellar teams are they?

Nope, but they're on our schedule. We will sweep the NFC West...











and you're up next...

Originally posted by altadenaniner:
Mark Tanier writes on the 49ers vs. Bucs game

Just read this....

"Josh Freeman, Mike Williams and LeGarrette Blount form an exciting nucleus of playmakers, the kind who could lead a team to the Super Bowl in three years. While the Buccaneers are building around legitimate prospects, the 49ers are toying with Troy Smith, the kind of pesky scrambler who always looks great to awful teams. The 49ers made the same mistake with Shaun Hill two years ago, talking themselves into thinking a heady backup on a hot streak was a legitimate starter. Quarterbacks like these only look good in comparison to Alex Smith. Short actors sometimes keep shorter friends around them so they look taller in photographs. Bad quarterbacks should always stay within sighting distance of Alex Smith. Pick: Buccaneers."

Wow, what a dick.

we have had years of bad qb's. we know what they look like. i can take an ok one for the rest of the year on hopes he could blossom. and if they can't keep him in the pocket then they will be eating their words.

Originally posted by DeepPewterC:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
only objective fans go to other teams fan sites and talk about how their team is the best and is gonna win and has a great and illustrious history and is hated and feared by everyone in their division. only an objective fan would do that--not a kool aid drinking homer. no sir. those aren't the actions of a homer. no sirree bob.

Who is trying to be objective???

An old warrior philosophy says that you should "fight fire with fire"...

go away.

I agree with almost everything Ronnie Lott said on KNBR today, the 49ers really need to get tough cause the Bucs are pushing this 'attitude' around like they're "king of the world" for conquering s**tty teams.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I agree with almost everything Ronnie Lott said on KNBR today, the 49ers really need to get tough cause the Bucs are pushing this 'attitude' around like they're "king of the world" for conquering s**tty teams.

i like they're moxie, actually, and I think its exciting to see a young team come out of nowhere to do well in the NFL, and I personally don't have many bad feelings towards the Bucs--Warren Sapp aside--and Lord knows that Bucs fans haven't had much to be happy about over the course of their history, but we need to win and they're our next opponent...and that was the extent of my feelings about this game. but now that all these moron bucs fans are hanging around in here crowing about nothing, I really hope that we obliterate them.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I agree with almost everything Ronnie Lott said on KNBR today, the 49ers really need to get tough cause the Bucs are pushing this 'attitude' around like they're "king of the world" for conquering s**tty teams.

If this is true, then what type of team does that make the Whiners when we win???



You said it, I didn't...

Originally posted by DeepPewterC:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I agree with almost everything Ronnie Lott said on KNBR today, the 49ers really need to get tough cause the Bucs are pushing this 'attitude' around like they're "king of the world" for conquering s**tty teams.

If this is true, then what type of team does that make the Whiners when we win???



You said it, I didn't...

Dude, people are getting annoyed of you know. Promise me one thing, if we win, please come back here Sunday evening.

Troy Smith is a Great choice for the interim duration as the 49ers QB....But the 49ers really need to draft a FRANCHICE QB. Then the Franchise QB can sit behind Troy, until he learns the system, and is ready to take over. The 49ers also need an Excellent QB Coach to bring the Franchise QB along...

[ Edited by 9erB4Us on Nov 19, 2010 at 23:12:27 ]

Bet this A$$hole hasnt watched a niner game all season.