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Originally posted by hubbyt:
Maybe Johnson is just saying that not to tip his hat but it seems foolish to me. I dont this. Shouldnt every gameplan be suited to either take advantage of the other teams weakness and/or put our players in positions to do what they do well? If Troy is mobile turn him loose!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/SPLH1G3KQ6.DTL#ixzz13lZmi9ic

What you want the dude to do, run an option or a wishbone system?

Singeltary is going to look like a genius when Troy tears s**t up this week.
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Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
Maybe Johnson is just saying that not to tip his hat but it seems foolish to me. I dont this. Shouldnt every gameplan be suited to either take advantage of the other teams weakness and/or put our players in positions to do what they do well? If Troy is mobile turn him loose!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/SPLH1G3KQ6.DTL#ixzz13lZmi9ic

What you want the dude to do, run an option or a wishbone system?


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Well hopefully does the opposite of what he says. Unlike Raye who said we want run it 60% of the time and did exactly that even though it was stopped.
Originally posted by dmax:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
Maybe Johnson is just saying that not to tip his hat but it seems foolish to me. I dont this. Shouldnt every gameplan be suited to either take advantage of the other teams weakness and/or put our players in positions to do what they do well? If Troy is mobile turn him loose!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/SPLH1G3KQ6.DTL#ixzz13lZmi9ic

I was on bart this morning while reading this.....I couldnt believe what i was reading.
Johnson... either you must be stupid, or you're not trying to tip your hand

Option 3:

We're traveling to London and starting a third string QB who has only been with the team for 8 weeks, has barely had any practice reps, has thrown 13 passes in the last 2 1/2 seasons, and doesn't even know the entire offense yet.

The sensible solution would be to scale back the offense to a manageable number of plays to try to guarantee he plays well and that at least everyone else always knows what they're doing.

The preposterously boneheaded solution would be to install new plays that nobody on the team has practiced yet ON TOP of the plays that T. Smith doesn't even have a full grasp of yet.

Maybe you start to work in new plays once T. Smith gets comfortable in the offense. Doing that right now however, on a week in which we're trying to deal with the added variables of being in Europe and with a QB who hasn't played and who doesn't know the regular offense yet, is preposterous. Seriously.


Also, fwiw, REALLY not a good idea to bring up Nate Davis in this thread. He's had 2 1/2 years to learn the basic offense (even all the way down to simple line calls) and hasn't done it. I can guarantee this is one of the reasons why not a single other team wanted him and he's on our PS right now.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
Maybe Johnson is just saying that not to tip his hat but it seems foolish to me. I dont this. Shouldnt every gameplan be suited to either take advantage of the other teams weakness and/or put our players in positions to do what they do well? If Troy is mobile turn him loose!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/SPLH1G3KQ6.DTL#ixzz13lZmi9ic

What you want the dude to do, run an option or a wishbone system?


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I think we all(me included) have overly simplistic views on gameplans especially how they relate to QB style. Way too simplistic.
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I dont even care if we win or lose but at least let him throw at least five deep passes to Ginn those guys used to light it up at OSU.
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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by dmax:
Originally posted by hubbyt:
Maybe Johnson is just saying that not to tip his hat but it seems foolish to me. I dont this. Shouldnt every gameplan be suited to either take advantage of the other teams weakness and/or put our players in positions to do what they do well? If Troy is mobile turn him loose!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/SPLH1G3KQ6.DTL#ixzz13lZmi9ic

I was on bart this morning while reading this.....I couldnt believe what i was reading.
Johnson... either you must be stupid, or you're not trying to tip your hand

Option 3:

We're traveling to London and starting a third string QB who has only been with the team for 8 weeks, has barely had any practice reps, has thrown 13 passes in the last 2 1/2 seasons, and doesn't even know the entire offense yet.

The sensible solution would be to scale back the offense to a manageable number of plays to try to guarantee he plays well and that at least everyone else always knows what they're doing.

The preposterously boneheaded solution would be to install new plays that nobody on the team has practiced yet ON TOP of the plays that T. Smith doesn't even have a full grasp of yet.

Maybe you start to work in new plays once T. Smith gets comfortable in the offense. Doing that right now however, on a week in which we're trying to deal with the added variables of being in Europe and with a QB who hasn't played and who doesn't know the regular offense yet, is preposterous. Seriously.


Also, fwiw, REALLY not a good idea to bring up Nate Davis in this thread. He's had 2 1/2 years to learn the basic offense (even all the way down to simple line calls) and hasn't done it. I can guarantee this is one of the reasons why not a single other team wanted him and he's on our PS right now.

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Eduardo75:
Dude are serious?!?!?! What the hell is Johnson supposed to do?!?!?!

Singletary is making a call on playing a QB that nobody really knows anything about, especially Mike Johnson... This further underlines the ineptitude of Mike Singletary!!!!!

Troy Smith doesn't offer anything better (except maybe a tad in mobility) then what Nate Davis does.. At least with Davis he knows some of the playbook and we have seen the kid is a gamer, and Johnson likes and is very familiar with him...

With Sing shoving Troy down Johnson's throat, his hands are tied.. He's in between a rock and a hard place, a catch 22, it's ridiculous...

I mean seriously you cut Davis who has loads of raw talent because he didn't put in as much work as you thought he should have, after his first year in the league? And then you bring in Troy Smith who offers nothing more in return?

Pathetic...........

Remember when Chris Weinke had to QB a few years ago... Yeah.. It's gonna be that ugly, or close to it.....

I believe but I could be wrong but Troy also knows some of the playbook. And Davis wasn't cut per se, he was demoted and that's all on him. You earn your chances and part of earning that is putting in work.

Yeah, but Johnson likes the kid and Johnson is the one who knows offense.. Sing doesn't know and has spent a lot of time showing us he doesn't know dick about offense... And yes Johnson wasn't the OC when Davis was released and he was released.. Released/cut, pretty much the same thing right? But it seemed like Sing was the only person really down on Davis. It didn't seem like Davis didn't work hard at all.. Could this be more of Sing's expecting too much? I mean you have a 1st year player who is young, learning what it takes to be in the NFL, much less an NFL QB, all while having a learning disability... I'm not saying this guy is the next Manning or Brees, but with all that and his potential, I just don't get it... As well as most fans.....

Davis, has had almost 2 off-seasons and a rookie year under his belt, I doubt Smith knows more of the playbook then Davis...
T.Smiths instincts will kick in and he'll run.
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Maybe Sing is the stubborn one. He choose this guy to start not Johnson. Maybe Johnson knows that they will be both out of a job at years end and will not change to game plan so it will show that Sing is the dictator and this Offense will never reach it's potential. It will also make it easy for him to get another job, when every body will see that Troy Smith sucks and was Mike Sings choice.


The best Qb on the team is on the practice squad.
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T.Smiths instincts will kick in and he'll run.

Thats racist(no homo)
Originally posted by lamontb:
Really you don't need to design plays for him to run. Breaking tackles and making throws in a disruptive pocket is what's it's about if you are considered a good running qb. He can make those plays on his own.
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Originally posted by Eduardo75:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Eduardo75:
Dude are serious?!?!?! What the hell is Johnson supposed to do?!?!?!

Singletary is making a call on playing a QB that nobody really knows anything about, especially Mike Johnson... This further underlines the ineptitude of Mike Singletary!!!!!

Troy Smith doesn't offer anything better (except maybe a tad in mobility) then what Nate Davis does.. At least with Davis he knows some of the playbook and we have seen the kid is a gamer, and Johnson likes and is very familiar with him...

With Sing shoving Troy down Johnson's throat, his hands are tied.. He's in between a rock and a hard place, a catch 22, it's ridiculous...

I mean seriously you cut Davis who has loads of raw talent because he didn't put in as much work as you thought he should have, after his first year in the league? And then you bring in Troy Smith who offers nothing more in return?

Pathetic...........

Remember when Chris Weinke had to QB a few years ago... Yeah.. It's gonna be that ugly, or close to it.....

I believe but I could be wrong but Troy also knows some of the playbook. And Davis wasn't cut per se, he was demoted and that's all on him. You earn your chances and part of earning that is putting in work.

Yeah, but Johnson likes the kid and Johnson is the one who knows offense.. Sing doesn't know and has spent a lot of time showing us he doesn't know dick about offense... And yes Johnson wasn't the OC when Davis was released and he was released.. Released/cut, pretty much the same thing right? But it seemed like Sing was the only person really down on Davis. It didn't seem like Davis didn't work hard at all.. Could this be more of Sing's expecting too much? I mean you have a 1st year player who is young, learning what it takes to be in the NFL, much less an NFL QB, all while having a learning disability... I'm not saying this guy is the next Manning or Brees, but with all that and his potential, I just don't get it... As well as most fans.....

Davis, has had almost 2 off-seasons and a rookie year under his belt, I doubt Smith knows more of the playbook then Davis...

Never said Troy knows more of the playbook.

And re: Nate :

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Johnson echoed Mike Singletary's sentiment from earlier this year that Davis must improve his work ethic, but he said that there are signs that transformation is occurring. "He's better focused and he's working harder," Johnson said.
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