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Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Of course not, but that doesn't mean it would make a big difference. That's like not fixing your engine because you would still have a broken AC and old tires.
Sure, the new engine might not fix EVERYTHING, but it would sure go a long way to getting things working properly.
Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.
If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?
/endthread
See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.
LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.
And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.
and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.
once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.
Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.
Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.
I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.
When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.
Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.
Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?
Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"
No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.
Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.
Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.
It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.
Right.............
The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.
So lets tally the Alexcuses:
1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)
2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)
3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.
Next excuse ?
1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.
2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.
3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)
Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.
If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?
/endthread
See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.
LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.
And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.
and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.
once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.
Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.
Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.
I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.
When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.
Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.
Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?
Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"
No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.
Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.
Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.
It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.
Right.............
The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.
So lets tally the Alexcuses:
1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)
2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)
3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.
Next excuse ?
1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.
2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.
3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)
1) Although we run heavy on first and second downs, Smith's inability to pass on those downs hasnt helped his cause either. Smith has thrown 5 of his 9 interceptions on either first or second down, and is only averaging 6.25 yards per pass on both downs. Thats ranked in the bottom third of the league. In terms of chemistry, you're using 2 drives worth of passing to define any "chemistry" that Smith has with anyone of his receivers. Before the last 2 drives of this past Sunday, VD had only 1 TD and was averaging 4 catches per game for 53 yards. Crabtree's figures are even worse. He's averaged 3 catches for 35 yards per game. You're taking a handful of successful drives this season, and you're making an inaccurate conclusion. In reality, the Smith's chemistry with his receivers has regressed from last season, and this is based on the continuity of a playbook and OC.
2) Again, you're choosing your stats. Any quarterback in the league would perform well if they had ample time to throw. What defines a good QB is the ability to punish defenses for blitzing or packing the box. Besides the 2 last drives against the Eagles, have you seen Alex play well against the blitz ? Does he make the hot read and find the receiver running down the seam one-on-one ? One of Alex's biggest weaknesses is his inability to throw deep. Even with a stacked defense, he chooses to pass short the majority of the time. This season, he's thrown 134 times less than 10 yards, only 56 times beyond it. Thats ranked bottom 5 in the league. Dont you think if Alex punished defenses more, that they'd back off a little, and maybe Alex would get more breathing room ? Not only that, it would help our running game tremendously. We have a probowl RB who is being rendered ineffective because it's a one dimensional team. Not because of one dimensional playcalling, but rather one dimensional execution. The passing game blows, primarily because of Alex, and teams are focusing on the run.
3) Again, as pointed above......Alex isnt facing 3 man rushes. He's being pressured by defenses on PURPOSE. He's being blitzed by corners, LBs. The line isnt the greatest, but its not the worst in the league either. And again....I posted links in a different thread, but Rodgers played with a porous line last year and still executed at a probowl level. And it wasnt because he held the ball too long (see links). It's because he punished defenses for being aggressive, and ranked 4th in the league in yards per attempt.
Good QBs overcome team deficiencies. Smith does not. He needs everything to be perfect, just so that he can play average.
Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.
If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?
/endthread
See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.
LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.
And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.
and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.
once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.
Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.
Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.
I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.
When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.
Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.
Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?
Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"
No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.
Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.
Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.
It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.
Right.............
The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.
So lets tally the Alexcuses:
1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)
2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)
3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.
Next excuse ?
1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.
2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.
3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)
1) Although we run heavy on first and second downs, Smith's inability to pass on those downs hasnt helped his cause either. Smith has thrown 5 of his 9 interceptions on either first or second down, and is only averaging 6.25 yards per pass on both downs. Thats ranked in the bottom third of the league. In terms of chemistry, you're using 2 drives worth of passing to define any "chemistry" that Smith has with anyone of his receivers. Before the last 2 drives of this past Sunday, VD had only 1 TD and was averaging 4 catches per game for 53 yards. Crabtree's figures are even worse. He's averaged 3 catches for 35 yards per game. You're taking a handful of successful drives this season, and you're making an inaccurate conclusion. In reality, the Smith's chemistry with his receivers has regressed from last season, and this is based on the continuity of a playbook and OC.
2) Again, you're choosing your stats. Any quarterback in the league would perform well if they had ample time to throw. What defines a good QB is the ability to punish defenses for blitzing or packing the box. Besides the 2 last drives against the Eagles, have you seen Alex play well against the blitz ? Does he make the hot read and find the receiver running down the seam one-on-one ? One of Alex's biggest weaknesses is his inability to throw deep. Even with a stacked defense, he chooses to pass short the majority of the time. This season, he's thrown 134 times less than 10 yards, only 56 times beyond it. Thats ranked bottom 5 in the league. Dont you think if Alex punished defenses more, that they'd back off a little, and maybe Alex would get more breathing room ? Not only that, it would help our running game tremendously. We have a probowl RB who is being rendered ineffective because it's a one dimensional team. Not because of one dimensional playcalling, but rather one dimensional execution. The passing game blows, primarily because of Alex, and teams are focusing on the run.
3) Again, as pointed above......Alex isnt facing 3 man rushes. He's being pressured by defenses on PURPOSE. He's being blitzed by corners, LBs. The line isnt the greatest, but its not the worst in the league either. And again....I posted links in a different thread, but Rodgers played with a porous line last year and still executed at a probowl level. And it wasnt because he held the ball too long (see links). It's because he punished defenses for being aggressive, and ranked 4th in the league in yards per attempt.
Good QBs overcome team deficiencies. Smith does not. He needs everything to be perfect, just so that he can play average.
1. I am not using 2 drives I am using what i have been saying all along. Smith performs at his best in a spread style offense. It showed last season and this season as well. The offense is so predictable that even the average fan can all the plays from their couch, you don't think an NFL defense can figure that out? let me put it this way, I formation= run anything else =pass. guess what formation we're in on 1st and 2nd down the most? you got it! the I formation.
2. The 49ers OLine gives up pressure to defenses front 4. Teams don't even have to blitz to create pressure on Smith. And yes I have seen Smith hit a hot read on a blitz. The offense is being rendered one dimensional because that is what Singletary wants. he wants an offense that can impose it's will to run when ever it wants, yet doesn't have the personnel to achieve said offense. Instead is built to run a spread offense.
3. Rodgers was pressured because he held onto the ball to long. he created his own pressure. This year he is getting the ball out a lot faster and it shows in his performance.
Alex Smith can not overcome a p***y ass defense and all of the offensive turn overs to include : INT's and fumbles. There isn't a QB in the history of the NFL that can do that. Just look at the Saints against the Cardinals last Sunday. Brees is one of the best QB's in the league yet he struggled and they lost against the Cardinals. you're reaching here and failing miserably. Football is a team sport and Smith needs the help of his teamates for the TEAM to win.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.
If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?
/endthread
See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.
LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.
And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.
and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.
once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.
Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.
Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.
I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.
When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.
Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.
Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?
Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"
No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.
Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.
Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.
It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.
Right.............
The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.
So lets tally the Alexcuses:
1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)
2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)
3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.
Next excuse ?
1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.
2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.
3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)
1) Although we run heavy on first and second downs, Smith's inability to pass on those downs hasnt helped his cause either. Smith has thrown 5 of his 9 interceptions on either first or second down, and is only averaging 6.25 yards per pass on both downs. Thats ranked in the bottom third of the league. In terms of chemistry, you're using 2 drives worth of passing to define any "chemistry" that Smith has with anyone of his receivers. Before the last 2 drives of this past Sunday, VD had only 1 TD and was averaging 4 catches per game for 53 yards. Crabtree's figures are even worse. He's averaged 3 catches for 35 yards per game. You're taking a handful of successful drives this season, and you're making an inaccurate conclusion. In reality, the Smith's chemistry with his receivers has regressed from last season, and this is based on the continuity of a playbook and OC.
2) Again, you're choosing your stats. Any quarterback in the league would perform well if they had ample time to throw. What defines a good QB is the ability to punish defenses for blitzing or packing the box. Besides the 2 last drives against the Eagles, have you seen Alex play well against the blitz ? Does he make the hot read and find the receiver running down the seam one-on-one ? One of Alex's biggest weaknesses is his inability to throw deep. Even with a stacked defense, he chooses to pass short the majority of the time. This season, he's thrown 134 times less than 10 yards, only 56 times beyond it. Thats ranked bottom 5 in the league. Dont you think if Alex punished defenses more, that they'd back off a little, and maybe Alex would get more breathing room ? Not only that, it would help our running game tremendously. We have a probowl RB who is being rendered ineffective because it's a one dimensional team. Not because of one dimensional playcalling, but rather one dimensional execution. The passing game blows, primarily because of Alex, and teams are focusing on the run.
3) Again, as pointed above......Alex isnt facing 3 man rushes. He's being pressured by defenses on PURPOSE. He's being blitzed by corners, LBs. The line isnt the greatest, but its not the worst in the league either. And again....I posted links in a different thread, but Rodgers played with a porous line last year and still executed at a probowl level. And it wasnt because he held the ball too long (see links). It's because he punished defenses for being aggressive, and ranked 4th in the league in yards per attempt.
Good QBs overcome team deficiencies. Smith does not. He needs everything to be perfect, just so that he can play average.
1. I am not using 2 drives I am using what i have been saying all along. Smith performs at his best in a spread style offense. It showed last season and this season as well. The offense is so predictable that even the average fan can all the plays from their couch, you don't think an NFL defense can figure that out? let me put it this way, I formation= run anything else =pass. guess what formation we're in on 1st and 2nd down the most? you got it! the I formation.
2. The 49ers OLine gives up pressure to defenses front 4. Teams don't even have to blitz to create pressure on Smith. And yes I have seen Smith hit a hot read on a blitz. The offense is being rendered one dimensional because that is what Singletary wants. he wants an offense that can impose it's will to run when ever it wants, yet doesn't have the personnel to achieve said offense. Instead is built to run a spread offense.
3. Rodgers was pressured because he held onto the ball to long. he created his own pressure. This year he is getting the ball out a lot faster and it shows in his performance.
Alex Smith can not overcome a p***y ass defense and all of the offensive turn overs to include : INT's and fumbles. There isn't a QB in the history of the NFL that can do that. Just look at the Saints against the Cardinals last Sunday. Brees is one of the best QB's in the league yet he struggled and they lost against the Cardinals. you're reaching here and failing miserably. Football is a team sport and Smith needs the help of his teamates for the TEAM to win.
Smith made several hot reads against Philly this season. Anyone who doesn't know this is snoozing instead of watching.
And I approve this message.
~Ceadder
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Lets rephrase.
If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?
/endthread
See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.
LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.
And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.
and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.
once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.
Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.
Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.
I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.
When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.
Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.
Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?
Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"
No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.
Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.
Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.
It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.
Right.............
The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.
So lets tally the Alexcuses:
1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)
2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)
3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.
Next excuse ?
1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.
2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.
3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)
1) Although we run heavy on first and second downs, Smith's inability to pass on those downs hasnt helped his cause either. Smith has thrown 5 of his 9 interceptions on either first or second down, and is only averaging 6.25 yards per pass on both downs. Thats ranked in the bottom third of the league. In terms of chemistry, you're using 2 drives worth of passing to define any "chemistry" that Smith has with anyone of his receivers. Before the last 2 drives of this past Sunday, VD had only 1 TD and was averaging 4 catches per game for 53 yards. Crabtree's figures are even worse. He's averaged 3 catches for 35 yards per game. You're taking a handful of successful drives this season, and you're making an inaccurate conclusion. In reality, the Smith's chemistry with his receivers has regressed from last season, and this is based on the continuity of a playbook and OC.
2) Again, you're choosing your stats. Any quarterback in the league would perform well if they had ample time to throw. What defines a good QB is the ability to punish defenses for blitzing or packing the box. Besides the 2 last drives against the Eagles, have you seen Alex play well against the blitz ? Does he make the hot read and find the receiver running down the seam one-on-one ? One of Alex's biggest weaknesses is his inability to throw deep. Even with a stacked defense, he chooses to pass short the majority of the time. This season, he's thrown 134 times less than 10 yards, only 56 times beyond it. Thats ranked bottom 5 in the league. Dont you think if Alex punished defenses more, that they'd back off a little, and maybe Alex would get more breathing room ? Not only that, it would help our running game tremendously. We have a probowl RB who is being rendered ineffective because it's a one dimensional team. Not because of one dimensional playcalling, but rather one dimensional execution. The passing game blows, primarily because of Alex, and teams are focusing on the run.
3) Again, as pointed above......Alex isnt facing 3 man rushes. He's being pressured by defenses on PURPOSE. He's being blitzed by corners, LBs. The line isnt the greatest, but its not the worst in the league either. And again....I posted links in a different thread, but Rodgers played with a porous line last year and still executed at a probowl level. And it wasnt because he held the ball too long (see links). It's because he punished defenses for being aggressive, and ranked 4th in the league in yards per attempt.
Good QBs overcome team deficiencies. Smith does not. He needs everything to be perfect, just so that he can play average.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by backontop:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.
If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?
/endthread
See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.
LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.
And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.
and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.
once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.
Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.
Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.
I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.
When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.
Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.
Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?
Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"
No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.
Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.
Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.
It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.
Right.............
The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.
So lets tally the Alexcuses:
1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)
2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)
3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.
Next excuse ?
1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.
2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.
3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)
1) Although we run heavy on first and second downs, Smith's inability to pass on those downs hasnt helped his cause either. Smith has thrown 5 of his 9 interceptions on either first or second down, and is only averaging 6.25 yards per pass on both downs. Thats ranked in the bottom third of the league. In terms of chemistry, you're using 2 drives worth of passing to define any "chemistry" that Smith has with anyone of his receivers. Before the last 2 drives of this past Sunday, VD had only 1 TD and was averaging 4 catches per game for 53 yards. Crabtree's figures are even worse. He's averaged 3 catches for 35 yards per game. You're taking a handful of successful drives this season, and you're making an inaccurate conclusion. In reality, the Smith's chemistry with his receivers has regressed from last season, and this is based on the continuity of a playbook and OC.
2) Again, you're choosing your stats. Any quarterback in the league would perform well if they had ample time to throw. What defines a good QB is the ability to punish defenses for blitzing or packing the box. Besides the 2 last drives against the Eagles, have you seen Alex play well against the blitz ? Does he make the hot read and find the receiver running down the seam one-on-one ? One of Alex's biggest weaknesses is his inability to throw deep. Even with a stacked defense, he chooses to pass short the majority of the time. This season, he's thrown 134 times less than 10 yards, only 56 times beyond it. Thats ranked bottom 5 in the league. Dont you think if Alex punished defenses more, that they'd back off a little, and maybe Alex would get more breathing room ? Not only that, it would help our running game tremendously. We have a probowl RB who is being rendered ineffective because it's a one dimensional team. Not because of one dimensional playcalling, but rather one dimensional execution. The passing game blows, primarily because of Alex, and teams are focusing on the run.
3) Again, as pointed above......Alex isnt facing 3 man rushes. He's being pressured by defenses on PURPOSE. He's being blitzed by corners, LBs. The line isnt the greatest, but its not the worst in the league either. And again....I posted links in a different thread, but Rodgers played with a porous line last year and still executed at a probowl level. And it wasnt because he held the ball too long (see links). It's because he punished defenses for being aggressive, and ranked 4th in the league in yards per attempt.
Good QBs overcome team deficiencies. Smith does not. He needs everything to be perfect, just so that he can play average.
Anyone that uses the made up word Alexcuses in place of reason is just plain stupid and doesn't have the right to participate in an intelligent conversation.