Change at QB WILL FIX EVERYTHING?

Did it ever occur to you that the team often makes the QB, rather than the QB making the team? Many of you downplay too much the role that the coaching, the OC, the OL and the receivers have on a QB's performance.

Originally posted by excelsior:
Did it ever occur to you that the team often makes the QB, rather than the QB making the team? Many of you downplay too much the role that the coaching, the OC, the OL and the receivers have on a QB's performance.

Ya, that goes without saying. Look at Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler, Shaun Hill, Kurt Warner. The system and the coaches make a giant difference, no doubt.

Originally posted by excelsior:
Did it ever occur to you that the team often makes the QB, rather than the QB making the team? Many of you downplay too much the role that the coaching, the OC, the OL and the receivers have on a QB's performance.

You can also make the argument that quarterbacks make your coach look a heck of alot smarter than they actually are. Shanny did sh*t without Elway. The great Belechik got ran out of Cleveland and wasn't doing so hot with New England before Tom Brady took over. Brian Billik was supposed to be an offensive genius he goes to Baltimore couldn't develop a quarterback with one of the best O lines in the league.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
4 Ints because of Tree(seems to have worked itself out)
5 Fumbles because of Gore.
1 Fumble due to Walker.
1 Fumble from Clements.

That's 8 turnovers left 4 of which are DEFINITELY on Smith.

So Smith has 4 definite to his credit.

So changing QB is really going to fix a big part of the problem? Don't make me laugh.

~Ceadder

I'll give maybe 2 picks to WR's but that still leaves 7 to your boy! So less picks mean more wins, more wins mean better QB play! Dude i'm starting to think YOU'RE Alex Smith!!!

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

I think the questione should have been:

"If our QB didn't lead the league in picks would we still be 0-5"?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by SJniner7:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The change that will fix everything begins in 12 weeks, when Jon Gruden is named head coach.

Hope is around the corner, brothers and sisters. We will get an experience head coach, someone who understands offense, to lead our team.

Don't tease us like that MD! I would like it, but it looks as though the Chargers and Cowboys would make a play for Gruden. Do you think he would rather come to SF?

I see him going to SF before SD and Dallas, with GM's who lord over their teams. Gruden is going to want a lot of say.

Gruden will fix our QB situation...like he did in TB? Hmmmm...

Originally posted by excelsior:
Did it ever occur to you that the team often makes the QB, rather than the QB making the team? Many of you downplay too much the role that the coaching, the OC, the OL and the receivers have on a QB's performance.

Sam Bradford, Matt Rayan, Joe Flacco,.... on and on!

I dunno but if i was A. Smith.......i tell my o-line that put his head out off his A$$ ..... and ate their necks fot not protect me well....what i mean is that Alex has to be a real leader.... commands his troops.....

GREETINGS FROM LIMA - PERU

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

Even with the defense not playing up to par and our key players fumbling, we'd have a minimum of 2 wins, probably 3, with a better QB.

I am no Alex Smith lover as everyone knows, but I voted no because

The Owners refuse to hire a Front Office
The Owners refuse to hire a HC that knows their butt from their elbow
The Coach has an on-field philosophy from the 1980s
The Coach is too much on an ego trip to hire anyone good for the OC.
Both put us on a Death Spiral by committing 100% to Alex Smith by hiring big scrubs to back him up.

That being said, I believe a lot of the other turn-overs and mistakes are made the rest of the team pressing to win because they know their QB will screw up at some point. The Players are not blind--they see what we see. So guys like Frank or Nate try way too hard to score and ending up making mistakes...

bb

Owner, GM, and coach.

Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Owner, GM, and coach.

Huh? What GM?

Can we all agree that if Smith plays poorly again, then they need to yank him for good?

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

Your post is an obvious attempt to give A. Smith some arguing points.

Your question makes no sense. The answer is always NO. If you change any teams' QB not everything will be fixed. Of course a QB change won't fix EVERYTHING. No team is perfect, not even super champions. Each have their weaknesses.

But, those championship teams have stellar QB's who can make up for the rest of the teams mishaps.

Look, I know you an Ceadder love A. Smith and think if he was on the Colts, Packers, Saints, Raiders, and Texans he would be a pro-bowler. But its time for the excuses to stop. 4 interceptions are Crabtree's fault? WTF are you talking about.

Your Pro-Smith arguments are on their last legs and this post is a desperate attempt to give you some points.

So to answe your question, No, adding Manning or Ryan Leaf to the Niners won't fix everything. There will always be some issue on our team, its the NFL!

Wow, just wow brotha. First off i've never posted with you before so should be fun. The funniest part is that at the end of the post, u still answered my question, and said NO. Then the cop out part is every one has an issue. Thats true, but I dont see u post too often so maybe you come out every once in a while too. The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3. I'm a niner fan first and Smith second.

I ask you adult men a question and u dont understand. I can ask a 2nd grader at my school and they'll just choose. And about CRabs, and and anything else u talked about above. Ur gettin me confused with Ceaddar. See in TRYING to make a point, u adressin the wrong dude with posts from another guy. So that just shows me that u dont even know the half of whats goin on.

Just like with a roof. If you say hey, fix my roof, and the house will improve. But if you have a f**ked up foundation, the roof will be new, but the house still falling apart.

ONce again, when u can get out of the Smith realm and actually say something to me that makes sense. NOt go on a rant, then above all, answer the same question i asked to begin with. Which is where u could of left it. But nah, it's ok. you need a little love unknown guy.

I responded to ya, there u go. But please get the right poster tho when trying to make a point.

I never addressed the wrong poster. I was talking to YOU AND CEADER. Read my post again thoroughly before you counter with false statements. You are clearly trying to slam my credibility off the bat instead of arguing against my points.

Then, you slam my credibility even further by stating that "I must only post every once in awhile." So posing a lot makes you more GODLY in niner talk? I hate posters who try to use the number of posts to establish football credibility.

Finally I see why you slam my argument. You have no points. You stated "The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3."
What does that even mean? Do you have a point for this paragraph or were you just "rambling," as you accused me of. If you organize thoughts in your head, they come out on paper more clearly.

I wasn't rambling in my response. I pointed out that your question is flawed because it demands a "NO" answer. In the legal world, the question is "leading" you to answer a certain way. You are leading people to say"NO" most likely because you were one of the many who believed in Smith and were proven wrong. Now, you want to show people that its not just the QB, but the team also needs more change. Yet, you never identify what other aspects of the team need change, you imply that QB is not the only issue. No s**t its not the only issue. But it is a GLARING weakness and a key position which is the FOUNDATION of all NFL teams.


Your poll is flawed because no matter what you replace "QB" with in your question, the answer will be No. Watch carefully:

Change of ownership fix everything? NO
Change of stadiums fix everything? NO
Change at OC will fix everything? NO
Change at WR will fix everything? NO

See, you can replace the "QB" portion of your question and the answer will always be NO. No change will ever FIX EVERYTHING.

You're roof analogy is worse then your grammar. If you have a leaky roof you DO need to fix it for the house to improve. If you have a f**ked up foundation then you DO need a new foundation. QB is like the foundation of the team and we need a better one, not just a change at one.

The QB IS NOT the foundation of a team. The O-line and D-Line are. The QB is something that brings the house together (like the Dude's rug). But it's not going to be worth all that much without a solid foundation.

Yeah young to Rice, maybe u can read the bold. The QB is not the foundation brotha. And i have played and coached football. Cuz if u have a suck ass QB, if your team rallies and play to their strengths then the foundation is still strong. Ala, Pittsburg Steelers. Im not gonna insult you brotha. But do me a favor, if and when u write back, why not try to do it, with out always bringin in Smith. And ur just like the selective people in here. Maybe u should join Shaj and ZRF. See i dont hang from Smiths sack like a lot on here. the poll was to answer a question, then write why u think soo. But u cant even follow simple directions.

Do i like the kid of course, cuz it's who we drafted. But if he was gone, id still be a niners fan. My thing wit u is, move on from that Smith thing. And besides the o-line and D line. I think it starts with the front office as being the foundation, because if you have the right boss in place, then he knows how to hire the right HC, then the QB, and so on and so forth. So ur just looking silly brotha.

And your really desperate, now im making people say no. Wow, thanks i didnt know i had that much power over grown men and women in the zone. I guess in voting too, I sent them all an email and told them what to vote.

Just do yourself a favor young guy, and just let it go, cuz the more u write, the more u make yourself look very stupid. The men in here chose their decision, and most understand the question fine, it's those that wanna b***h about this or that, that cant answer a simple question.

U said NO, so just answer and move the hell on please, cuz the more u talk, the more i see u dont know too much about football.

And by the way 400 people have voted, and we have 10 pages worth of comments on the matter. So what ur saying is everyone that voted, didnt understand a yes or no question. They had no problem answering anything. And the vote is 78% no, and 22% yes. Seems pretty easy to analyze to me.

A QB is the foundation for a good team. I don't care if you coached and played in pee-wee or high school football. This is the NFL, where you need a solid QB foundation to build around. Ask the Colts, Pats, Saints, how solid foundation QB's can help you win consitantly.

As for the Steelers, when they got Big Ben, he was the new foundation and they started to win Super Bowls with him. Yeah, they have a good record right now without him, but do you really think they have a chance to win their division and a super bowl with their backups? No

You think we were winning with Montana and Rice because the rest of the team was totally "fixed."

And why are you ripping on me for talking about Smith? Your god damn poll talks about our QB position. Hello? Smith is our QB. You want me to comment on your poll about our QB without talking about Smith? Get real. You are just mad because i'm not licking Smith's balls right now.

And yeah, as for the people who answered the poll, good for them. Don't be mad because the question is stupid. People still have a right to answer a stupid question. For the record, I "get" the question. The question is understandable. Its just stupid becasue the answer is always NO. You statistics show that the question is flawed. More then 77% of the people want a new QB, yet 77% said change at QB won't fix everything. No s**t. No change will ever fix everything. Your poll is flawed bro.

At least you slightly improved your grammer this time. You don't want me to write back to you anymore because you know I have a point. You don't even try to answer any of my inquiries. You just talk s**t in response. By the way you and I write, its obvious I have far superior intelligence. Both in football, and in life. Even if you have a valid point, no one will ever get it because you are unable to express it clearly. Save the ebonics for your parole hearing.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

Your post is an obvious attempt to give A. Smith some arguing points.

Your question makes no sense. The answer is always NO. If you change any teams' QB not everything will be fixed. Of course a QB change won't fix EVERYTHING. No team is perfect, not even super champions. Each have their weaknesses.

But, those championship teams have stellar QB's who can make up for the rest of the teams mishaps.

Look, I know you an Ceadder love A. Smith and think if he was on the Colts, Packers, Saints, Raiders, and Texans he would be a pro-bowler. But its time for the excuses to stop. 4 interceptions are Crabtree's fault? WTF are you talking about.

Your Pro-Smith arguments are on their last legs and this post is a desperate attempt to give you some points.

So to answe your question, No, adding Manning or Ryan Leaf to the Niners won't fix everything. There will always be some issue on our team, its the NFL!

Wow, just wow brotha. First off i've never posted with you before so should be fun. The funniest part is that at the end of the post, u still answered my question, and said NO. Then the cop out part is every one has an issue. Thats true, but I dont see u post too often so maybe you come out every once in a while too. The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3. I'm a niner fan first and Smith second.

I ask you adult men a question and u dont understand. I can ask a 2nd grader at my school and they'll just choose. And about CRabs, and and anything else u talked about above. Ur gettin me confused with Ceaddar. See in TRYING to make a point, u adressin the wrong dude with posts from another guy. So that just shows me that u dont even know the half of whats goin on.

Just like with a roof. If you say hey, fix my roof, and the house will improve. But if you have a f**ked up foundation, the roof will be new, but the house still falling apart.

ONce again, when u can get out of the Smith realm and actually say something to me that makes sense. NOt go on a rant, then above all, answer the same question i asked to begin with. Which is where u could of left it. But nah, it's ok. you need a little love unknown guy.

I responded to ya, there u go. But please get the right poster tho when trying to make a point.

I never addressed the wrong poster. I was talking to YOU AND CEADER. Read my post again thoroughly before you counter with false statements. You are clearly trying to slam my credibility off the bat instead of arguing against my points.

Then, you slam my credibility even further by stating that "I must only post every once in awhile." So posing a lot makes you more GODLY in niner talk? I hate posters who try to use the number of posts to establish football credibility.

Finally I see why you slam my argument. You have no points. You stated "The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3."
What does that even mean? Do you have a point for this paragraph or were you just "rambling," as you accused me of. If you organize thoughts in your head, they come out on paper more clearly.

I wasn't rambling in my response. I pointed out that your question is flawed because it demands a "NO" answer. In the legal world, the question is "leading" you to answer a certain way. You are leading people to say"NO" most likely because you were one of the many who believed in Smith and were proven wrong. Now, you want to show people that its not just the QB, but the team also needs more change. Yet, you never identify what other aspects of the team need change, you imply that QB is not the only issue. No s**t its not the only issue. But it is a GLARING weakness and a key position which is the FOUNDATION of all NFL teams.


Your poll is flawed because no matter what you replace "QB" with in your question, the answer will be No. Watch carefully:

Change of ownership fix everything? NO
Change of stadiums fix everything? NO
Change at OC will fix everything? NO
Change at WR will fix everything? NO

See, you can replace the "QB" portion of your question and the answer will always be NO. No change will ever FIX EVERYTHING.

You're roof analogy is worse then your grammar. If you have a leaky roof you DO need to fix it for the house to improve. If you have a f**ked up foundation then you DO need a new foundation. QB is like the foundation of the team and we need a better one, not just a change at one.

The QB IS NOT the foundation of a team. The O-line and D-Line are. The QB is something that brings the house together (like the Dude's rug). But it's not going to be worth all that much without a solid foundation.

That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us here. Aww you don't need a quarterback we'll spend 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders on the offensive line have a fericious defense and just beat people to death.

What's that 30th in rushing right now. So much for that.

It's not a coincedence that the best QB won the division in all but 2 divisions last year.

QB is indeed the foudnation for a team. Hmmm, check out the winning percentages for the last 6 years of all teams. Look at the win % of the top 5 teams and tell me who the QB is.