Change at QB WILL FIX EVERYTHING?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

Your post is an obvious attempt to give A. Smith some arguing points.

Your question makes no sense. The answer is always NO. If you change any teams' QB not everything will be fixed. Of course a QB change won't fix EVERYTHING. No team is perfect, not even super champions. Each have their weaknesses.

But, those championship teams have stellar QB's who can make up for the rest of the teams mishaps.

Look, I know you an Ceadder love A. Smith and think if he was on the Colts, Packers, Saints, Raiders, and Texans he would be a pro-bowler. But its time for the excuses to stop. 4 interceptions are Crabtree's fault? WTF are you talking about.

Your Pro-Smith arguments are on their last legs and this post is a desperate attempt to give you some points.

So to answe your question, No, adding Manning or Ryan Leaf to the Niners won't fix everything. There will always be some issue on our team, its the NFL!

Wow, just wow brotha. First off i've never posted with you before so should be fun. The funniest part is that at the end of the post, u still answered my question, and said NO. Then the cop out part is every one has an issue. Thats true, but I dont see u post too often so maybe you come out every once in a while too. The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3. I'm a niner fan first and Smith second.

I ask you adult men a question and u dont understand. I can ask a 2nd grader at my school and they'll just choose. And about CRabs, and and anything else u talked about above. Ur gettin me confused with Ceaddar. See in TRYING to make a point, u adressin the wrong dude with posts from another guy. So that just shows me that u dont even know the half of whats goin on.

Just like with a roof. If you say hey, fix my roof, and the house will improve. But if you have a f**ked up foundation, the roof will be new, but the house still falling apart.

ONce again, when u can get out of the Smith realm and actually say something to me that makes sense. NOt go on a rant, then above all, answer the same question i asked to begin with. Which is where u could of left it. But nah, it's ok. you need a little love unknown guy.

I responded to ya, there u go. But please get the right poster tho when trying to make a point.

I never addressed the wrong poster. I was talking to YOU AND CEADER. Read my post again thoroughly before you counter with false statements. You are clearly trying to slam my credibility off the bat instead of arguing against my points.

Then, you slam my credibility even further by stating that "I must only post every once in awhile." So posing a lot makes you more GODLY in niner talk? I hate posters who try to use the number of posts to establish football credibility.

Finally I see why you slam my argument. You have no points. You stated "The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3."
What does that even mean? Do you have a point for this paragraph or were you just "rambling," as you accused me of. If you organize thoughts in your head, they come out on paper more clearly.

I wasn't rambling in my response. I pointed out that your question is flawed because it demands a "NO" answer. In the legal world, the question is "leading" you to answer a certain way. You are leading people to say"NO" most likely because you were one of the many who believed in Smith and were proven wrong. Now, you want to show people that its not just the QB, but the team also needs more change. Yet, you never identify what other aspects of the team need change, you imply that QB is not the only issue. No s**t its not the only issue. But it is a GLARING weakness and a key position which is the FOUNDATION of all NFL teams.


Your poll is flawed because no matter what you replace "QB" with in your question, the answer will be No. Watch carefully:

Change of ownership fix everything? NO
Change of stadiums fix everything? NO
Change at OC will fix everything? NO
Change at WR will fix everything? NO

See, you can replace the "QB" portion of your question and the answer will always be NO. No change will ever FIX EVERYTHING.

You're roof analogy is worse then your grammar. If you have a leaky roof you DO need to fix it for the house to improve. If you have a f**ked up foundation then you DO need a new foundation. QB is like the foundation of the team and we need a better one, not just a change at one.

The QB IS NOT the foundation of a team. The O-line and D-Line are. The QB is something that brings the house together (like the Dude's rug). But it's not going to be worth all that much without a solid foundation.

Yeah young to Rice, maybe u can read the bold. The QB is not the foundation brotha. And i have played and coached football. Cuz if u have a suck ass QB, if your team rallies and play to their strengths then the foundation is still strong. Ala, Pittsburg Steelers. Im not gonna insult you brotha. But do me a favor, if and when u write back, why not try to do it, with out always bringin in Smith. And ur just like the selective people in here. Maybe u should join Shaj and ZRF. See i dont hang from Smiths sack like a lot on here. the poll was to answer a question, then write why u think soo. But u cant even follow simple directions.

Do i like the kid of course, cuz it's who we drafted. But if he was gone, id still be a niners fan. My thing wit u is, move on from that Smith thing. And besides the o-line and D line. I think it starts with the front office as being the foundation, because if you have the right boss in place, then he knows how to hire the right HC, then the QB, and so on and so forth. So ur just looking silly brotha.

And your really desperate, now im making people say no. Wow, thanks i didnt know i had that much power over grown men and women in the zone. I guess in voting too, I sent them all an email and told them what to vote.

Just do yourself a favor young guy, and just let it go, cuz the more u write, the more u make yourself look very stupid. The men in here chose their decision, and most understand the question fine, it's those that wanna b***h about this or that, that cant answer a simple question.

U said NO, so just answer and move the hell on please, cuz the more u talk, the more i see u dont know too much about football.

And by the way 400 people have voted, and we have 10 pages worth of comments on the matter. So what ur saying is everyone that voted, didnt understand a yes or no question. They had no problem answering anything. And the vote is 78% no, and 22% yes. Seems pretty easy to analyze to me.

A QB is the foundation for a good team. I don't care if you coached and played in pee-wee or high school football. This is the NFL, where you need a solid QB foundation to build around. Ask the Colts, Pats, Saints, how solid foundation QB's can help you win consitantly.

As for the Steelers, when they got Big Ben, he was the new foundation and they started to win Super Bowls with him. Yeah, they have a good record right now without him, but do you really think they have a chance to win their division and a super bowl with their backups? No

You think we were winning with Montana and Rice because the rest of the team was totally "fixed."

And why are you ripping on me for talking about Smith? Your god damn poll talks about our QB position. Hello? Smith is our QB. You want me to comment on your poll about our QB without talking about Smith? Get real. You are just mad because i'm not licking Smith's balls right now.

And yeah, as for the people who answered the poll, good for them. Don't be mad because the question is stupid. People still have a right to answer a stupid question. For the record, I "get" the question. The question is understandable. Its just stupid becasue the answer is always NO. You statistics show that the question is flawed. More then 77% of the people want a new QB, yet 77% said change at QB won't fix everything. No s**t. No change will ever fix everything. Your poll is flawed bro.

At least you slightly improved your grammer this time. You don't want me to write back to you anymore because you know I have a point. You don't even try to answer any of my inquiries. You just talk s**t in response. By the way you and I write, its obvious I have far superior intelligence. Both in football, and in life. Even if you have a valid point, no one will ever get it because you are unable to express it clearly. Save the ebonics for your parole hearing.

Parole hearing, wow, never been, but maybe from experience u can tell me how it is to pick up the soap. Ebonics, are you some sheltered child living in a basement. Wow brotha, i can tell the immaturity by u gettin all hyped up in a damn webzone. It aint that serious. People have a right to answer a stupid question. And now u talking about grammar. Maybe u forget that this is a blogging chat, there are no Harvard Presidents in here. Brotha, dont u see, when u keep writing u just continue talking nonsense. Once again it comes to my original response.

If your not mature enough to answer a question, i understand. When someone tells u to make a choice, u either choose from the choices given or move the hell on. And u see what i mean, Smith balls and all that s**t. And dumbass, u breaking the poll up to meet ur mindframe. The post and numbers are what they are brotha. And any attempt you make to refute them is just stupid.

I dont think ur deaf, dumb, and blind. But maybe u missed the intro post in explaining, that a lot of fans feel that with a QB change that will be the ONLY missing ingredient to a winning team. NOw those with common sense, know that just because u change a QB, doesnt fix the other tons of problems. Which is why the poll was made to begin with.

The problem is, like a child, ur makin a big deal about nonsense. I mean if u just would of answered and shut the f**k up, we wouldnt keep going back with nonsense.

In football and life, u beat me, lmao, damn is that how far we've fallen as fans, idiotic nonsense when asked a simple question. And the flaw that u speak of, is only in your eyes. So maybe if u would of replied in that manner, we wouldnt be here now. But come on with the cheap shots Mr. Patel. With a name like that i'd assume u'd have a little more respect, but you learn sumthin new everyday right. :)

Take care man

[ Edited by Jersey9er on Oct 15, 2010 at 13:06:45 ]

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Just curious... Name 'em.

- 98

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Just curious... Name 'em.

- 98

OLINE

Tony Wragge, Anthony Clement, Jeremy Newberry, Eric Heitmann, Larry Allen, Justin Smiley, David Baas, Adam Snyder, Jonas Jennings, Kwame Harris, Patrick Estes, Joe Staley, Barry Sims, Cody Wallace, Tony Pashos

- no need to go into details on different combos. We all know how these people were rotated throughout their stints in SF.


WRs (notable 3 players on roster)

2005: Brandon Lloyd, Johnnie Morton, Arnaz Battle
2006: Antonio Bryant, Bryan Gilmore, Arnaz Battle
2007: Darrell Jackson, Ashlie Lelie, Arnaz Battle
2008: Isaac Bruce, Bryant Johnson, Jason Hill
2009: Isaac Bruce, Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree
2010: Ted Ginn Jr., Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree

RBs/FBs

2005: Kevan Barlow (1), Frank Gore (2), Maurice Hicks (3) / Beasley
2006: Frank Gore (1), Maurice Hicks (2) / Norris
2007: Frank Gore (1), Maurice Hicks (2) / Norris
2008: Frank Gore (1), Deshaun Foster (2) / Norris
2009: Frank Gore (1), Glen Coffee (2) / Norris
2010: Frank Gore (1), Brian Westbrook (2) / Norris

TEs

2005: Billy Bajema, Terry Jones
2006: Vernon Davis, Eric Johnson
2007: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
2008: Vernon Davis, Billy Bajema
2009: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
2010: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker

OCs:

2005: Mike McCarthy
2006: Norv Turner
2007: Mike Hostler
2008: Mike Martz
2009: Jimmy Raye
2010: Jimmy Raye / Michael Johnson


I dont know about you brother, but thats a lot of combos we've put on the field. How many more do you guys want to go through ?

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Just curious... Name 'em.

- 98

OLINE

Tony Wragge, Anthony Clement, Jeremy Newberry, Eric Heitmann, Larry Allen, Justin Smiley, David Baas, Adam Snyder, Jonas Jennings, Kwame Harris, Patrick Estes, Joe Staley, Barry Sims, Cody Wallace, Tony Pashos

- no need to go into details on different combos. We all know how these people were rotated throughout their stints in SF.


WRs (notable 3 players on roster)

2005: Brandon Lloyd, Johnnie Morton, Arnaz Battle
2006: Antonio Bryant, Bryan Gilmore, Arnaz Battle
2007: Darrell Jackson, Ashlie Lelie, Arnaz Battle
2008: Isaac Bruce, Bryant Johnson, Jason Hill
2009: Isaac Bruce, Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree
2010: Ted Ginn Jr., Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree

RBs/FBs

2005: Kevan Barlow (1), Frank Gore (2), Maurice Hicks (3) / Beasley
2006: Frank Gore (1), Maurice Hicks (2) / Norris
2007: Frank Gore (1), Maurice Hicks (2) / Norris
2008: Frank Gore (1), Deshaun Foster (2) / Norris
2009: Frank Gore (1), Glen Coffee (2) / Norris
2010: Frank Gore (1), Brian Westbrook (2) / Norris

TEs

2005: Billy Bajema, Terry Jones
2006: Vernon Davis, Eric Johnson
2007: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
2008: Vernon Davis, Billy Bajema
2009: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
2010: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker

OCs:

2005: Mike McCarthy
2006: Norv Turner
2007: Mike Hostler
2008: Mike Martz
2009: Jimmy Raye
2010: Jimmy Raye / Michael Johnson


I dont know about you brother, but thats a lot of combos we've put on the field. How many more do you guys want to go through ?

Look at the starters for the TE and RB positions. Sorry but your "combinations" theory is flawed. The most important things to a QB is consistency with the OC, chemistry with the WR's and for the OLine to have chemisty with eachother.

Originally posted by HessianDud:
No. it won't fix our tackling or create turnovers on D, wont fix our coaching, organization structure, Gore's fumbles, Anthony Davis' blocking, and it won't utilize Westbrook or release Norris, and it won't bring back MRob.

It won't fix ANY of our blocking up front. It won't fix our play calling. It won't fix our lack of pass rush. It won't fix our terrible secondary play.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"

No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.

Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.

Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.

It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.

Right.............

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Just curious... Name 'em.

- 98

OLINE

Tony Wragge, Anthony Clement, Jeremy Newberry, Eric Heitmann, Larry Allen, Justin Smiley, David Baas, Adam Snyder, Jonas Jennings, Kwame Harris, Patrick Estes, Joe Staley, Barry Sims, Cody Wallace, Tony Pashos

- no need to go into details on different combos. We all know how these people were rotated throughout their stints in SF.


WRs (notable 3 players on roster)

2005: Brandon Lloyd, Johnnie Morton, Arnaz Battle
2006: Antonio Bryant, Bryan Gilmore, Arnaz Battle
2007: Darrell Jackson, Ashlie Lelie, Arnaz Battle
2008: Isaac Bruce, Bryant Johnson, Jason Hill
2009: Isaac Bruce, Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree
2010: Ted Ginn Jr., Josh Morgan, Michael Crabtree

RBs/FBs

2005: Kevan Barlow (1), Frank Gore (2), Maurice Hicks (3) / Beasley
2006: Frank Gore (1), Maurice Hicks (2) / Norris
2007: Frank Gore (1), Maurice Hicks (2) / Norris
2008: Frank Gore (1), Deshaun Foster (2) / Norris
2009: Frank Gore (1), Glen Coffee (2) / Norris
2010: Frank Gore (1), Brian Westbrook (2) / Norris

TEs

2005: Billy Bajema, Terry Jones
2006: Vernon Davis, Eric Johnson
2007: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
2008: Vernon Davis, Billy Bajema
2009: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
2010: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker

OCs:

2005: Mike McCarthy
2006: Norv Turner
2007: Mike Hostler
2008: Mike Martz
2009: Jimmy Raye
2010: Jimmy Raye / Michael Johnson


I dont know about you brother, but thats a lot of combos we've put on the field. How many more do you guys want to go through ?

Look at the starters for the TE and RB positions. Sorry but your "combinations" theory is flawed. The most important things to a QB is consistency with the OC, chemistry with the WR's and for the OLine to have chemisty with eachother.

So in theory, since Alex had some "consistency" with Crabtree, Morgan, and VD....all 3 should be putting up monster numbers. Why arent they ?

So your first Alexcuse is consistency. Now how do you answer my above question.

Hint: Alexcuse number 2 coming up.....

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"

No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.

Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.

Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.

It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.

Right.............

The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"

No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.

Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.

Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.

It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.

Right.............

The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.

So lets tally the Alexcuses:

1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)

2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)

3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.

Next excuse ?

I don't think a change at QB or HC would fix anything let alone change much. Not b/c I'm an Alex homer or a Sing homer. I just don't think we have much better options at this point in the season. I know Smith has had all the chances in the world but I would give him 1 more game. If he fails as he has done most of the season, then put in Carr.

I personally hope we resign Smith to a back-up only role and draft a franchise QB with the #1 pick in the draft.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Lets rephrase.

If Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers was our starting QB, would we be 0-5 ?

/endthread

See what i mean ZRF, just like a child that u tell not to play with a toy, u still do it. Nah man up and dont come back with if blah blah blah.

LIke i said in the beginning regardless of who is at QB, is that what will make the entire team better. Please adress the issue asked or dont post.

And like i said to one of your buddies on here, there are few that live by if the QB is different EVERYTHING ELSE IMPROVES. And to be real, u were one of the 5 that I said i could mention to Shaj, that every post usually starts or end with something in changing the QB.

and by the way, dont just pick the guys u like. Dont forget we have Mcnabb, Romo, Favre, etc, and a few others that are 1-3, with Studs at RB, WR, and QB positions, so your point is invalid.

once again, question is, IF you make a change at QB. Everything else on the team will get better which will lead to more wins.

Most of his posts are utter nonsense, he is more hung up on Smith than the worst homer on this site.

Seems like a lot more of your ilk have jumped on my anti-Smith bandwagon in recent years than the the other way around. Or maybe you know something I dont and Smith will light it up any day now..........the clock is ticking Memphis.

I have never once said I thought Smith was ever going to "light it up", I do not know if he ever will. I just thought it was funny how your ilk are so ignorant of the concept of team sports that you want to try to place the teams struggles on one player when it takes a team to win. To coin your catch phrase...Pathetic.

When your "team" changes 6 times over, and the only constant is your quarterback....yet you still cant seem to crawl out of a hole......somewhere along the line you have to question the one guy thats still there.

Smith has gone through.....what ? At least 10 variations of an oline, at least 10 variations of WRs/TEs.........at least 3-4 variations of a RB/FB combo, and at least 6 variations of defense. Not to mention the 7 combinations of offensive coordinators.

Have you ever seen this in the history of sports ? One guy get so much leeway from a franchise in a manner that the team is willing to bring in and discard numerous players in their ranks just to find the right "fit" for their franchise player ?

Let's see, by your comments here the OLine would have no chemistry, the QB and WR's would have no chemistry, Gore and Norris are about the only thing consistent, The defense hasn't really changed as much as you are claiming and even then it still can't stop a 3rd down conversion and last but not least try learning a new offense every single season and see how that turns out for you. Pretty much all you did was confirm the so called "alexcuses"

No, I confirmed that none of the combos seemed to "work" for Alex (didnt Bryant complain about him ?), so every year we revamped the offensive side of the ball to give Alex some breathing room. Guys like Bryant, Jackson, Lelie, Johnson, etc. werent guys from the streets ---- they were brought in with semi-proven track records with the anticipation of exceling under Smith. Instead, Smith practically ran them all out of town. Even with Gore, one of the best RBs in the game, Smith has been unable to take advantage and punish teams in the passing attack.

Yet, you guys like playing "merry go round" with Smith.

Blame his poor passing, and you cite the receivers.
Blame his inability to take advantage of a probowl runner, and you guys cite the OC.
Blame the lack of enthusiasm/emotion, and you guys cite the head coach.
Blame the lack of points and losing by big marginsd, and you cite the defense.
Blame the TOs, and you guys cite tipped passes.

It's never ending.........as long as Smith emerges a hero. A 6 year vet still looking like a rookie, and its everyone's fault but his.

Right.............

The most important thing for a QB was never taken care of, consistency with an OC and an OLine that can actually block.

So lets tally the Alexcuses:

1) ALEXCUSE 1: consistency with receivers (which apparently happened from last year, but receivers still not involved)

2) ALEXCUSE 2: consistency with OCs (which apparently happened from last year, but according to you guys, Raye conspired against Alex and switched to a more conservative playbook. Of course, MJ....despite using the same playbook, cannot be considered part of that "consistency" because he is a different OC)

3) ALEXCUSE 3: consistency with oline. Cause ALL the guys I listed above sucked, couldnt block for Smith, and should have never ever entered the league to begin with. Despite all those lines giving Frank Gore (a probowl RB) multiple 1000 yard seasons.....we cant give them credit because Gore was breaking through defenses all by himself without the help of a porous line that couldnt block for Smith.

Next excuse ?

1) WR's get involved when the play calling allows for it. Kind of hard to get the WR's the ball when you run on 1st and 2nd down and only pass on 3rd down. Smith has excellent chemistry with VD and that showed on Sunday. The longer that Smith plays with Crabtree (who missed TC and the preseason) the better their chemistry develops. Again look at Sunday.

2. Smith is running with the same play book from last year and when the play calling actually allows for him to get into a rythm he is successful. When Smith actually has time to throw the ball his stats improve vastly and it shows in his stats. he completes about 80% of his passes. So please Again look at #1.

3. Run blocking is very different than pass blocking. If you don't know that then I am wasting my time. Also that same "pro bowl" blocking OLine is really putting fear in the defenses that past few years now isn't it? Smith right now leads the league in most pass attemps while under duress (that means that the OLine isn't doing their job and pass blocking)