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Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:
He's definitely improved a lot this year, I'll say that much. It's a shame his numbers don't back it up, but he's a lot better. A lot of this also goes back to coaching and Sing's love affair with Chilo. The OL has performed a lot better with Chilo on the bench, but Sing seems oblivious.

Gosh Alex is so good I think wild dogs should kiss his rear end, and give Sing brown lollipops!!

The zone, just rules!

Okay now Bali, you don't have to behave like an ass to show your difference of opinion.


Alex Smith This Season:
Under Duress=======No Pressure
Comp Pct 26.8=====71.8 <
Pass Yds 98------------1,131
Yds/Att 2.4------------7.6
TD-INT 1-4------------5-5
Passer Rtg 8.1------------90.8 <

> NFL Avg: 66.3 comp pct, 91.4 passer rtg

This clearly shows that Smith is not a bad QB.

But then that doesn't jive with your opinion either. So should I brace and await insult?

You who said that I act high an mighty to put it in simple terms?

Dude c'mon, you're better than this. I know you are. But I think you're letting this get to you so you gotta take it out on people defending Smith.

Smith has made some mistakes to be sure. But when you're running for your life you're bound to make a few.

I been sayin it since the KC game but Chilo definitely needs to be benched. He was pretty good in the Seattle game til he got that Stinger. But since he's been back in the Starting role he's blown chowder.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by tjd808185:
We have 2 rookie lineman and a slow receiving core. Anyone who didn't see this coming was drinking some serious kool aid. It's obvious teams are going to bring the pressure. Alex and our receivers have to a better on making adjustments.

Alex fans. You guys are just going to have to face that fact that if we don't start winning Alex is done. Fair or not this is a get it done league and this entire regime is on it's last legs.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
We have 2 rookie lineman and a slow receiving core. Anyone who didn't see this coming was drinking some serious kool aid. It's obvious teams are going to bring the pressure. Alex and our receivers have to a better on making adjustments.

Alex fans. You guys are just going to have to face that fact that if we don't start winning Alex is done. Fair or not this is a get it done league and this entire regime is on it's last legs.

No question. Winning is the standard by which all fans are made happy. I may be his biggest defender. And not because I think he's the greatest. But simply because he's been served a sh!t sandwich by this team. Granted he got paid an assload of dough to eat it, but it's hard to expect perfection from a guy when his supporting cast fails him regularly.

In any case if he doesn't have a winning season better than 8-8 he's probably done. No argument from me on that.

@GoldenIowa... My thoughts exactly.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:
He's definitely improved a lot this year, I'll say that much. It's a shame his numbers don't back it up, but he's a lot better. A lot of this also goes back to coaching and Sing's love affair with Chilo. The OL has performed a lot better with Chilo on the bench, but Sing seems oblivious.

Gosh Alex is so good I think wild dogs should kiss his rear end, and give Sing brown lollipops!!

The zone, just rules!

Okay now Bali, you don't have to behave like an ass to show your difference of opinion.


Alex Smith This Season:
Under Duress=======No Pressure
Comp Pct 26.8=====71.8 <
Pass Yds 98------------1,131
Yds/Att 2.4------------7.6
TD-INT 1-4------------5-5
Passer Rtg 8.1------------90.8 <

> NFL Avg: 66.3 comp pct, 91.4 passer rtg

This clearly shows that Smith is not a bad QB.

But then that doesn't jive with your opinion either. So should I brace and await insult?

You who said that I act high an mighty to put it in simple terms?

Dude c'mon, you're better than this. I know you are. But I think you're letting this get to you so you gotta take it out on people defending Smith.

Smith has made some mistakes to be sure. But when you're running for your life you're bound to make a few.

I been sayin it since the KC game but Chilo definitely needs to be benched. He was pretty good in the Seattle game til he got that Stinger. But since he's been back in the Starting role he's blown chowder.

~Ceadder

One problem here. You're comparing the average NFL quarterbacks stats with pressure included against Alex Smith's stats without pressure.

You're cherry picking stats there.

Smith has struggled under duress, but when given time to throw, he's been able to match the performance of the average NFL quarterback."

Shouldn't a number one pick be better than average by his sixth year?

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:
He's definitely improved a lot this year, I'll say that much. It's a shame his numbers don't back it up, but he's a lot better. A lot of this also goes back to coaching and Sing's love affair with Chilo. The OL has performed a lot better with Chilo on the bench, but Sing seems oblivious.

Gosh Alex is so good I think wild dogs should kiss his rear end, and give Sing brown lollipops!!

The zone, just rules!

Okay now Bali, you don't have to behave like an ass to show your difference of opinion.


Alex Smith This Season:
Under Duress=======No Pressure
Comp Pct 26.8=====71.8 <
Pass Yds 98------------1,131
Yds/Att 2.4------------7.6
TD-INT 1-4------------5-5
Passer Rtg 8.1------------90.8 <

> NFL Avg: 66.3 comp pct, 91.4 passer rtg

This clearly shows that Smith is not a bad QB.

But then that doesn't jive with your opinion either. So should I brace and await insult?

You who said that I act high an mighty to put it in simple terms?

Dude c'mon, you're better than this. I know you are. But I think you're letting this get to you so you gotta take it out on people defending Smith.

Smith has made some mistakes to be sure. But when you're running for your life you're bound to make a few.

I been sayin it since the KC game but Chilo definitely needs to be benched. He was pretty good in the Seattle game til he got that Stinger. But since he's been back in the Starting role he's blown chowder.

~Ceadder

ASS!!!!!! Mods, I've been insulted, I've been dissed in pubic!

Bro you just have to tone down the condescending tone of your posts a tad. But I think you may not know how.

The Oline has played like turnstiles, but if you look around the league now, and in the past you will see QBs, who pulled it down rather than get hit and throw an INT with less than a min to go, QBs who don't "normally" lose close games consistently right at the end, things like that. What's the purpose of continuing the Alex era if we don't win?

The coaching is absurd, it's surreal, it is nightmarish. So Smith loses again on the coaching end. IE, he is not getting whatever he needs to go beyond the limited talent he has.

How can you in good faith and with eyes wide open (or shut) continue to back this fellow?! You are simply amazing in this regard..

However, I do think you complained to the mods about me calling you "pompous" and a dunce.. did you? That would be ummm... Alex like maybe!

Whatever.... Did you read Patty's thread about just going with the surreal BS we know as the Niners season and enjoying it for the shear insanity of it all?

Now that was a timely thread if ever there was one! Cheers and a bottoms up to her!

GO NINERS!!!! ~

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
The article is referring to the 49ers of 2010. However, you cannot tell the NFL world with a straight face that in ALL the games that Alex Smith has played in, his line has sucked/his receivers couldnt catch/his OC couldnt call good plays/his defense stunk it up.

.

LOL, did you know that statistically, our OL was the worst pass-protecting line in the league last year?

Didnt Rodgers line give up more sacks than ours last year ? Didnt seem to affect his probowl status, now did it ?

if u watched him play he holds on the ball for like 4 to 5 seconds he holds on to the ball for a long time

alex on the other hand doesnt have that luxury

Those numbers in GB and Pitt as well are misleading....when you have QBs that scramble out of the pocket, your risk for sacks increases dramaticaly.

True, but he Packers and Steelers o line stunk just as bad as the niners did last year. And Smith is just as mobile as both qb's he just doens't have the pocket presence to escape the pocket as these guys do.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
The article is referring to the 49ers of 2010. However, you cannot tell the NFL world with a straight face that in ALL the games that Alex Smith has played in, his line has sucked/his receivers couldnt catch/his OC couldnt call good plays/his defense stunk it up.

.

LOL, did you know that statistically, our OL was the worst pass-protecting line in the league last year?

Didnt Rodgers line give up more sacks than ours last year ? Didnt seem to affect his probowl status, now did it ?

if u watched him play he holds on the ball for like 4 to 5 seconds he holds on to the ball for a long time

alex on the other hand doesnt have that luxury

Wrong again. Through the first month of last season, Rodgers did not rank in the top 10 of QBs holding the ball too long.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/23/which-quarterbacks-hold-the-ball-too-long/

In another article from November, one analyst provided stats on sacks that were the fault of the oline. He excluded sacks that were attributed to the QB holding on to the ball or running out of bounds.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-sacks-allowed-sorted-by-team/

GB's oline allowed more sacks on Rodgers than SF's.

exactly dude

he may not hold the ball too long to be sacked he hold on the ball like 4 -5 seconds to find an open guy that guy has a good o line so he doesnt get sacked

even GB fans knows he holds the ball on for too long

He LED the league in getting sacked. The primary reason for this was his oline (as seen in above link). Therefore, we can conclude that his oline was worse than Smith's. Yet he still played like a probowler. What's Smith's excuse ?

Ever thought that Smith doesn't get sacked as much because of his feet, and dumpoffs and getting rid of the ball?

Oh btw for your information this Line gives up an average of 50+ Sacks a season. So I don't know how you can justify that Rodgers is better just cause his Line "Sucks more than ours does". It doesn't. Smith just gets rid of the ball better than Rodgers does. That's a fact.

~Ceadder

So lets break it down further.

In terms of rush attempts, Alex ran 24 times for 51 yards. Rodgers rushed 58 times for 316 yards. Which mean either the Packers were calling a lot more QB draws/sneaks for Rodgers, or that he was being flushed out of the pocket more because of his piss poor oline. I tend to believe the latter.

Cant blame the "holding on to the ball to long" theory because I just posted links that negate that.

If you're defending that Smith gets rid of the ball more, well.........Smith attempted 372 passes, and completed 225 of them. Rodgers attempted 541 passes, and completed 350 of them. Rodgers attempted 200 more times, yet still had a better completion percentage than Smith (64.7 to 60.5).

If we're going by "dumpoffs", Rodgers threw the ball less than 10 yards 361 times, and completed it 269 (74% completion rate). Smith, on the other hand, threw the ball less than 10 yards 267 times, and completed it 176 times (65% completion rate). Rodgers still did a better job getting rid of it and "dumping".


So Rodgers has a worse oline, is flushed out of the pocket more, dumps the ball better, and still has a probowl year. Alex doesnt.

Your turn.

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

D_Niner =

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

If I remember correctly, he was coming off an injury, and JTO was Martz' guy.

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

If I remember correctly, he was coming off an injury, and JTO was Martz' guy.

yup and he had a season ending injury in the offseason

a 3rd degree shoulder injury just doesnt magically become better

Originally posted by binary2nd:
He's definitely improved a lot this year, I'll say that much. It's a shame his numbers don't back it up, but he's a lot better. A lot of this also goes back to coaching and Sing's love affair with Chilo. The OL has performed a lot better with Chilo on the bench, but Sing seems oblivious.

improved, ohh yes, more interceptions than tds....