Singletary: Heitman's job in jeopardy

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Heittman will be our RG.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Singletary said Rachal will remain starter at RG when he returns from stinger. But he's not sure Baas will be benched when Heitmann returns.

Singletary is an immediate within distance view kind of guy. I'm sure it will be considered once Heittman comes back and he (one of our top 5 offensive lineman) is not playing on the field when he was a very good RG.

Heitmann hasn't played Guard in five years.

He's undersized for a guard in this scheme.

Starting him over Adam Snyder would be a mistake, let alone Chilo Rachal.

And Baas only played Center for one year in College. What's your point?

When he played RG, he was one of our best linemen. When he played Center, we couldn't gain 1 yard many, many times along with the front of the pocket being pushed back.

He would make for a very solid guard and do you actually think Chilo or Snyder are better RG's than what Heittman would provide us?

I'm definintely not a Chilo fan right now. I would love to see Heitmann back at RG. I remember him shutting down Warren Sapp back when he played Guard

In the past 6 years, Niners fans have always seen the obvious more often than they have been completely wrong on these types of changes. The coaching will come around sooner or later.

Their money is on the line so it is only right for them to take everything into account before making these types of decisions. Let's just hope they understand their money is on the line and make these changes before it's too late.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Heittman will be our RG.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Singletary said Rachal will remain starter at RG when he returns from stinger. But he's not sure Baas will be benched when Heitmann returns.

Singletary is an immediate within distance view kind of guy. I'm sure it will be considered once Heittman comes back and he (one of our top 5 offensive lineman) is not playing on the field when he was a very good RG.

Heitmann hasn't played Guard in five years.

He's undersized for a guard in this scheme.

Starting him over Adam Snyder would be a mistake, let alone Chilo Rachal.

And Baas only played Center for one year in College. What's your point?

When he played RG, he was one of our best linemen. When he played Center, we couldn't gain 1 yard many, many times along with the front of the pocket being pushed back.

He would make for a very solid guard and do you actually think Chilo or Snyder are better RG's than what Heittman would provide us?

I'm definintely not a Chilo fan right now. I would love to see Heitmann back at RG. I remember him shutting down Warren Sapp back when he played Guard

In the past 6 years, Niners fans have always seen the obvious more often than they have been completely wrong on these types of changes. The coaching will come around sooner or later.

Their money is on the line so it is only right for them to take everything into account before making these types of decisions. Let's just hope they understand their money is on the line and make these changes before it's too late.

Exactly. I like Heitmann/Snyder experience over Chilo's in a stadium like Arrowhead.

Baas has great size and power, but he has very limited mobility because he's slow as f**k and clumsy. Whenever he would try to pull he would get there late and whiff at the block or trip over his own or another lineman's feet.

Center is the position that requires the least range of motion on the o-line, where Baas can use his superior size and strength to get push in the center of the line without having to move around all that much.

All these years maybe he was just playing out of position.

Iupati and Davis are going to be beasts. Baas could quite possibly be an upgrade at center. Staley is solid at LT, and although not an elite LT he still gets the job done. Rachal still has loads of talent but he's really testing my patience and doesn't seem to be able to put it together yet, but again he has lots of potential. Snyder played really good last night at guard, it could be a fluke or it could mean he's a natural RG. Heitman is a solid veteran who I think would probably be better at RG than C at this point. Simms was very solid last year at LT. Boone has potential.

We went from having a crappy o-line to having a potentially dominating line with lots of quality depth in one year. This is exciting.

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Baas has great size and power, but he has very limited mobility because he's slow as f**k and clumsy. Whenever he would try to pull he would get there late and whiff at the block or trip over his own or another lineman's feet.

Center is the position that requires the least range of motion on the o-line, where Baas can use his superior size and strength to get push in the center of the line without having to move around all that much.

All these years maybe he was just playing out of position.

Iupati and Davis are going to be beasts. Baas could quite possibly be an upgrade at center. Staley is solid at LT, and although not an elite LT he still gets the job done. Rachal still has loads of talent but he's really testing my patience and doesn't seem to be able to put it together yet, but again he has lots of potential. Snyder played really good last night at guard, it could be a fluke or it could mean he's a natural RG. Heitman is a solid veteran who I think would probably be better at RG than C at this point. Simms was very solid last year at LT. Boone has potential.

We went from having a crappy o-line to having a potentially dominating line with lots of quality depth in one year. This is exciting.

I think it's the fact that we finally have legit OL coaches

This is real interesting he says this, I would think Rachal would be the one to be benched.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Heittman will be our RG.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Singletary said Rachal will remain starter at RG when he returns from stinger. But he's not sure Baas will be benched when Heitmann returns.

Singletary is an immediate within distance view kind of guy. I'm sure it will be considered once Heittman comes back and he (one of our top 5 offensive lineman) is not playing on the field when he was a very good RG.

Heitmann hasn't played Guard in five years.

He's undersized for a guard in this scheme.

Starting him over Adam Snyder would be a mistake, let alone Chilo Rachal.

And Baas only played Center for one year in College. What's your point?

When he played RG, he was one of our best linemen. When he played Center, we couldn't gain 1 yard many, many times along with the front of the pocket being pushed back.

He would make for a very solid guard and do you actually think Chilo or Snyder are better RG's than what Heittman would provide us?

I'm definintely not a Chilo fan right now. I would love to see Heitmann back at RG. I remember him shutting down Warren Sapp back when he played Guard

In the past 6 years, Niners fans have always seen the obvious more often than they have been completely wrong on these types of changes. The coaching will come around sooner or later.

Their money is on the line so it is only right for them to take everything into account before making these types of decisions. Let's just hope they understand their money is on the line and make these changes before it's too late.

Exactly. I like Heitmann/Snyder experience over Chilo's in a stadium like Arrowhead.

BTW Redrathman, Nice little post calling me dumb. Where you at now?

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
but the starting C job may be Baas's job to loose at this point

LMAO...this is a bad joke, right?

He starts off the game by snapping a ball 12 ft over Smith's head into the endzone and it's his job to lose?

I'm down for anyone but Rachal. That fool is like the Kwame Harris of Guards

Originally posted by Joecool:
And Baas only played Center for one year in College. What's your point?

When he played RG, he was one of our best linemen. When he played Center, we couldn't gain 1 yard many, many times along with the front of the pocket being pushed back.

He would make for a very solid guard and do you actually think Chilo or Snyder are better RG's than what Heittman would provide us?

David Baas also had four pre-season games and first team repetitions to prepare for playing center. He essentially had six weeks to relearn the position. I'd argue that he still has quite a bit of work to do. I'm not opposed to allowing Baas continued repetitions at center, but moving Heitmann to Guard at this stage of his career would be foolish. This isn't Madden Football.

What makes you think Heitmann would be a better Guard than Center, if David Baas couldn't play Guard?

Oh, that's right. Your own personal bias.

Originally posted by GEEK:
To be fair, that one bad snap of Baas's play cost us 2 points and an offensive drive.

In Baas defense, two straight runs to set up 3rd and long in an obvious passing situation allowed the Saints to pin their ears back and bring a blitz which helped Bass botch the snap.

Originally posted by darkknight49:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Hell except for 1 bad snap Baas has played really well at center. He's a more natural C than Guard. He brings more bulk, size and strength to the position and he's been driving people off the ball and he's been a brick wall in the passing game. I don't have any problems with his game.

As for Rachal getting his starting job back... We should keep him out.

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I know the bad snap sucked. But get past that hangup when looking at Bass, and look how well they ran the ball as a unit. Their pass protection was better as a unit yesterday too.

Heitmann has been on this team for 9 years, the oline has sucked for 9 years, he is part of the problem not the solution. He is finally being exposed.

I always tell the truth, no more BS!!!!!
Nyc49erking

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
And Baas only played Center for one year in College. What's your point?

When he played RG, he was one of our best linemen. When he played Center, we couldn't gain 1 yard many, many times along with the front of the pocket being pushed back.

He would make for a very solid guard and do you actually think Chilo or Snyder are better RG's than what Heittman would provide us?

David Baas also had four pre-season games and first team repetitions to prepare for playing center. He essentially had six weeks to relearn the position. I'd argue that he still has quite a bit of work to do. I'm not opposed to allowing Baas continued repetitions at center, but moving Heitmann to Guard at this stage of his career would be foolish. This isn't Madden Football.

What makes you think Heitmann would be a better Guard than Center, if David Baas couldn't play Guard?

Oh, that's right. Your own personal bias.

So your argument for Baas being able to play Center well even though he has never played Center in the NFL is because he had 4 preseason games to prepare? He played well in that 1st preseason game and didn't look crappy needing a few games until the last preseason game. This points further to Heitmann being able to come in at a position he was successful for for a couple of years without much prep.

And you're comparing Baas "experience" at Center over Hiettman's lack of experience at RG? Heittman was our starting RG and performed VERY well at that position for a couple of years until Newberry was hurt and he was forced to move to Center.

And to the bold: because Heitmann WAS a better Guard than Center. I will even give you that he may be as good at Guard as Center but what you are forgetting is that he sure as hell is an upgrade over our current RG.

I like how you use Baas' immense preseason experience as an NFL Center over a seasons worth of successful experience Heittman had at RG.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by WestCoast:
interesting...maybe someone should show sing the ball getting snapped 50 ft. over smith's head.

1 play...

That came back to haunt us later in the game losing to 2 points.