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Originally posted by djfullshred:
I hope he plays really well this year. Because not panning out doesn't necessarily mean the 49ers know how to improve that situation.
The dreamer side of me wishes to see a clearly better QB come here.
The reailist side thinks if the 49ers stuck by Smith this long, and he still doesn't pan out, why would I expect the team to have a clue who would be an upgrade?
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by Chico:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not one realistic response from the homers. How surprising....
The truth is that its quite POSSIBLE that Alex Smith will fail, considering that he has a knack for doing so. What sucks is that Ninerbrass has absolutely no backup plan. Carr certainly isnt the answer.......we all saw what Nate Davis brings to the table. In essence, the team will be forced into rebuild mode, despite having a probowl caliber roster.
I was watching Aaron Rodgers vs. Indy yesterday, and man did it hurt when I saw him thread passes in between defenders. Whenever his line broke down, he had this calm about him, and he still found ways to make plays. Alex, on the other hand (despite playing well the other night), still runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. You cant deny that as Niner fans, we all hold our breaths praying that the worst doesnt happen.
Boy, did we botch in that draft.........and worse, we have NO backup plan when and if Alex fails.
Point taken ZRF. My question to you is.........how did the Niners botch this draft? Because they didn't take Jimmy Clausen or some other QB as insurance? Baalke and the Niners brass had a hell of a draft and could get as many as 5 starters out of this class (Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Mays and Dixon). The Niners will not have to rebuild next year if Alex fails. Whomever plays QB for the Niners next year will have a good o line, plenty of receivers and a solid running game. The Niners also have plenty of draft picks as ammunition to trade up in next year's draft if they have to. Whatever happens with Alex this year, I for one am not worried about the future because of the overall quality of the team around him or our future franchise QB.
He's talking about the draft where we could have drafter Aarron Rodgers first instead of Alex Smith, NOT this years draft. It was just our luck when we get the #1 overall pick in one of the worst talented draft picks available! Boy were we cursed that year.
Anyway, I'm not sure drafting Rodgers would have made a difference. We had the worst talented team and coaching staff that year. From Nolan, to the Yorks, McClueless, Brandon Lloyd, a crappy O-Line and NO QB can succeed with a crappy O-line. There was no good coaching staff to groom Alex so he didn't develope the way other rookie QB's are getting to develope such as a Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan. Those teams put the right pieces in place w a good running game, defense and protection from the O-line.
thats my two cents!
As fans, we have to turn the page on that draft. Yes, we could have drafted Rodgers, but you are correct about the condition of the team at the time. Rodgers looks great now because he had a chance to sit and learn behind a legend without the pressure of performing right away. Would he have turned out any different being thrown to the wolves like Alex did? We will never know.
Time to deal with the here and now. That is why I talked about this draft. If Smith makes it this year, it will be because he has a good to great supporting cast of teammates. If he doesn't, the next guy will not have to do it all on his own.
Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by Chico:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not one realistic response from the homers. How surprising....
The truth is that its quite POSSIBLE that Alex Smith will fail, considering that he has a knack for doing so. What sucks is that Ninerbrass has absolutely no backup plan. Carr certainly isnt the answer.......we all saw what Nate Davis brings to the table. In essence, the team will be forced into rebuild mode, despite having a probowl caliber roster.
I was watching Aaron Rodgers vs. Indy yesterday, and man did it hurt when I saw him thread passes in between defenders. Whenever his line broke down, he had this calm about him, and he still found ways to make plays. Alex, on the other hand (despite playing well the other night), still runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. You cant deny that as Niner fans, we all hold our breaths praying that the worst doesnt happen.
Boy, did we botch in that draft.........and worse, we have NO backup plan when and if Alex fails.
Point taken ZRF. My question to you is.........how did the Niners botch this draft? Because they didn't take Jimmy Clausen or some other QB as insurance? Baalke and the Niners brass had a hell of a draft and could get as many as 5 starters out of this class (Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Mays and Dixon). The Niners will not have to rebuild next year if Alex fails. Whomever plays QB for the Niners next year will have a good o line, plenty of receivers and a solid running game. The Niners also have plenty of draft picks as ammunition to trade up in next year's draft if they have to. Whatever happens with Alex this year, I for one am not worried about the future because of the overall quality of the team around him or our future franchise QB.
He's talking about the draft where we could have drafter Aarron Rodgers first instead of Alex Smith, NOT this years draft. It was just our luck when we get the #1 overall pick in one of the worst talented draft picks available! Boy were we cursed that year.
Anyway, I'm not sure drafting Rodgers would have made a difference. We had the worst talented team and coaching staff that year. From Nolan, to the Yorks, McClueless, Brandon Lloyd, a crappy O-Line and NO QB can succeed with a crappy O-line. There was no good coaching staff to groom Alex so he didn't develope the way other rookie QB's are getting to develope such as a Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan. Those teams put the right pieces in place w a good running game, defense and protection from the O-line.
thats my two cents!
As fans, we have to turn the page on that draft. Yes, we could have drafted Rodgers, but you are correct about the condition of the team at the time. Rodgers looks great now because he had a chance to sit and learn behind a legend without the pressure of performing right away. Would he have turned out any different being thrown to the wolves like Alex did? We will never know.
Time to deal with the here and now. That is why I talked about this draft. If Smith makes it this year, it will be because he has a good to great supporting cast of teammates. If he doesn't, the next guy will not have to do it all on his own.
Id have to disagree with you guys on point. I dont think Rodgers would be as far along as he is now with GB HAD he been drafted by the Niners; however, Rodgers possesses many qualities that I dont feel Alex has in him. Instinct is the first that comes to mind. We can back and forth on whether or not starting a rookie in year 1 is a good idea or not.....even though it did pan out for guys like Manning and McNabb.
What you cant argue is that Rodgers has the intangibles that Smith lacks. Instinct, calmness, a sense of your environment, etc. are not teachable tools. These things you're born with. Rodgers has them. Smith certainly does not.
Originally posted by sf49ersx11:Originally posted by jreff22:Originally posted by fly15:Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Nate Davis leads will lead us to a Super Bowl before Alex Smith does.
remember, Alex is still developing, one day he will take us to the SB....
is this all you post about, the act is getting old
Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by Chico:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not one realistic response from the homers. How surprising....
The truth is that its quite POSSIBLE that Alex Smith will fail, considering that he has a knack for doing so. What sucks is that Ninerbrass has absolutely no backup plan. Carr certainly isnt the answer.......we all saw what Nate Davis brings to the table. In essence, the team will be forced into rebuild mode, despite having a probowl caliber roster.
I was watching Aaron Rodgers vs. Indy yesterday, and man did it hurt when I saw him thread passes in between defenders. Whenever his line broke down, he had this calm about him, and he still found ways to make plays. Alex, on the other hand (despite playing well the other night), still runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. You cant deny that as Niner fans, we all hold our breaths praying that the worst doesnt happen.
Boy, did we botch in that draft.........and worse, we have NO backup plan when and if Alex fails.
Point taken ZRF. My question to you is.........how did the Niners botch this draft? Because they didn't take Jimmy Clausen or some other QB as insurance? Baalke and the Niners brass had a hell of a draft and could get as many as 5 starters out of this class (Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Mays and Dixon). The Niners will not have to rebuild next year if Alex fails. Whomever plays QB for the Niners next year will have a good o line, plenty of receivers and a solid running game. The Niners also have plenty of draft picks as ammunition to trade up in next year's draft if they have to. Whatever happens with Alex this year, I for one am not worried about the future because of the overall quality of the team around him or our future franchise QB.
He's talking about the draft where we could have drafter Aarron Rodgers first instead of Alex Smith, NOT this years draft. It was just our luck when we get the #1 overall pick in one of the worst talented draft picks available! Boy were we cursed that year.
Anyway, I'm not sure drafting Rodgers would have made a difference. We had the worst talented team and coaching staff that year. From Nolan, to the Yorks, McClueless, Brandon Lloyd, a crappy O-Line and NO QB can succeed with a crappy O-line. There was no good coaching staff to groom Alex so he didn't develope the way other rookie QB's are getting to develope such as a Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan. Those teams put the right pieces in place w a good running game, defense and protection from the O-line.
thats my two cents!
As fans, we have to turn the page on that draft. Yes, we could have drafted Rodgers, but you are correct about the condition of the team at the time. Rodgers looks great now because he had a chance to sit and learn behind a legend without the pressure of performing right away. Would he have turned out any different being thrown to the wolves like Alex did? We will never know.
Time to deal with the here and now. That is why I talked about this draft. If Smith makes it this year, it will be because he has a good to great supporting cast of teammates. If he doesn't, the next guy will not have to do it all on his own.
Id have to disagree with you guys on point. I dont think Rodgers would be as far along as he is now with GB HAD he been drafted by the Niners; however, Rodgers possesses many qualities that I dont feel Alex has in him. Instinct is the first that comes to mind. We can back and forth on whether or not starting a rookie in year 1 is a good idea or not.....even though it did pan out for guys like Manning and McNabb.
What you cant argue is that Rodgers has the intangibles that Smith lacks. Instinct, calmness, a sense of your environment, etc. are not teachable tools. These things you're born with. Rodgers has them. Smith certainly does not.
Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by Chico:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not one realistic response from the homers. How surprising....
The truth is that its quite POSSIBLE that Alex Smith will fail, considering that he has a knack for doing so. What sucks is that Ninerbrass has absolutely no backup plan. Carr certainly isnt the answer.......we all saw what Nate Davis brings to the table. In essence, the team will be forced into rebuild mode, despite having a probowl caliber roster.
I was watching Aaron Rodgers vs. Indy yesterday, and man did it hurt when I saw him thread passes in between defenders. Whenever his line broke down, he had this calm about him, and he still found ways to make plays. Alex, on the other hand (despite playing well the other night), still runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. You cant deny that as Niner fans, we all hold our breaths praying that the worst doesnt happen.
Boy, did we botch in that draft.........and worse, we have NO backup plan when and if Alex fails.
Point taken ZRF. My question to you is.........how did the Niners botch this draft? Because they didn't take Jimmy Clausen or some other QB as insurance? Baalke and the Niners brass had a hell of a draft and could get as many as 5 starters out of this class (Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Mays and Dixon). The Niners will not have to rebuild next year if Alex fails. Whomever plays QB for the Niners next year will have a good o line, plenty of receivers and a solid running game. The Niners also have plenty of draft picks as ammunition to trade up in next year's draft if they have to. Whatever happens with Alex this year, I for one am not worried about the future because of the overall quality of the team around him or our future franchise QB.
He's talking about the draft where we could have drafter Aarron Rodgers first instead of Alex Smith, NOT this years draft. It was just our luck when we get the #1 overall pick in one of the worst talented draft picks available! Boy were we cursed that year.
Anyway, I'm not sure drafting Rodgers would have made a difference. We had the worst talented team and coaching staff that year. From Nolan, to the Yorks, McClueless, Brandon Lloyd, a crappy O-Line and NO QB can succeed with a crappy O-line. There was no good coaching staff to groom Alex so he didn't develope the way other rookie QB's are getting to develope such as a Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan. Those teams put the right pieces in place w a good running game, defense and protection from the O-line.
thats my two cents!
As fans, we have to turn the page on that draft. Yes, we could have drafted Rodgers, but you are correct about the condition of the team at the time. Rodgers looks great now because he had a chance to sit and learn behind a legend without the pressure of performing right away. Would he have turned out any different being thrown to the wolves like Alex did? We will never know.
Time to deal with the here and now. That is why I talked about this draft. If Smith makes it this year, it will be because he has a good to great supporting cast of teammates. If he doesn't, the next guy will not have to do it all on his own.
Id have to disagree with you guys on point. I dont think Rodgers would be as far along as he is now with GB HAD he been drafted by the Niners; however, Rodgers possesses many qualities that I dont feel Alex has in him. Instinct is the first that comes to mind. We can back and forth on whether or not starting a rookie in year 1 is a good idea or not.....even though it did pan out for guys like Manning and McNabb.
What you cant argue is that Rodgers has the intangibles that Smith lacks. Instinct, calmness, a sense of your environment, etc. are not teachable tools. These things you're born with. Rodgers has them. Smith certainly does not.
Originally posted by dtcomposer:Originally posted by Shaj:
I have some hope for Alex after the last game. The biggest improvement I saw was his pocket presence. I think his upside is very limited, but he can be the game manager that Nolan envisioned.... kind of like Dilfer the year the Ravens won the superbowl.
I would be interested to know why you think his upside is limited?
Originally posted by Shaj:Originally posted by dtcomposer:Originally posted by Shaj:
I have some hope for Alex after the last game. The biggest improvement I saw was his pocket presence. I think his upside is very limited, but he can be the game manager that Nolan envisioned.... kind of like Dilfer the year the Ravens won the superbowl.
I would be interested to know why you think his upside is limited?
past performance is the best predictor of future performance.
Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by Chico:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not one realistic response from the homers. How surprising....
The truth is that its quite POSSIBLE that Alex Smith will fail, considering that he has a knack for doing so. What sucks is that Ninerbrass has absolutely no backup plan. Carr certainly isnt the answer.......we all saw what Nate Davis brings to the table. In essence, the team will be forced into rebuild mode, despite having a probowl caliber roster.
I was watching Aaron Rodgers vs. Indy yesterday, and man did it hurt when I saw him thread passes in between defenders. Whenever his line broke down, he had this calm about him, and he still found ways to make plays. Alex, on the other hand (despite playing well the other night), still runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. You cant deny that as Niner fans, we all hold our breaths praying that the worst doesnt happen.
Boy, did we botch in that draft.........and worse, we have NO backup plan when and if Alex fails.
Point taken ZRF. My question to you is.........how did the Niners botch this draft? Because they didn't take Jimmy Clausen or some other QB as insurance? Baalke and the Niners brass had a hell of a draft and could get as many as 5 starters out of this class (Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Mays and Dixon). The Niners will not have to rebuild next year if Alex fails. Whomever plays QB for the Niners next year will have a good o line, plenty of receivers and a solid running game. The Niners also have plenty of draft picks as ammunition to trade up in next year's draft if they have to. Whatever happens with Alex this year, I for one am not worried about the future because of the overall quality of the team around him or our future franchise QB.
He's talking about the draft where we could have drafter Aarron Rodgers first instead of Alex Smith, NOT this years draft. It was just our luck when we get the #1 overall pick in one of the worst talented draft picks available! Boy were we cursed that year.
Anyway, I'm not sure drafting Rodgers would have made a difference. We had the worst talented team and coaching staff that year. From Nolan, to the Yorks, McClueless, Brandon Lloyd, a crappy O-Line and NO QB can succeed with a crappy O-line. There was no good coaching staff to groom Alex so he didn't develope the way other rookie QB's are getting to develope such as a Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan. Those teams put the right pieces in place w a good running game, defense and protection from the O-line.
thats my two cents!
As fans, we have to turn the page on that draft. Yes, we could have drafted Rodgers, but you are correct about the condition of the team at the time. Rodgers looks great now because he had a chance to sit and learn behind a legend without the pressure of performing right away. Would he have turned out any different being thrown to the wolves like Alex did? We will never know.
Time to deal with the here and now. That is why I talked about this draft. If Smith makes it this year, it will be because he has a good to great supporting cast of teammates. If he doesn't, the next guy will not have to do it all on his own.
Id have to disagree with you guys on point. I dont think Rodgers would be as far along as he is now with GB HAD he been drafted by the Niners; however, Rodgers possesses many qualities that I dont feel Alex has in him. Instinct is the first that comes to mind. We can back and forth on whether or not starting a rookie in year 1 is a good idea or not.....even though it did pan out for guys like Manning and McNabb.
What you cant argue is that Rodgers has the intangibles that Smith lacks. Instinct, calmness, a sense of your environment, etc. are not teachable tools. These things you're born with. Rodgers has them. Smith certainly does not.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:Originally posted by ZRF80:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by Chico:Originally posted by m_brockalexander:Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not one realistic response from the homers. How surprising....
The truth is that its quite POSSIBLE that Alex Smith will fail, considering that he has a knack for doing so. What sucks is that Ninerbrass has absolutely no backup plan. Carr certainly isnt the answer.......we all saw what Nate Davis brings to the table. In essence, the team will be forced into rebuild mode, despite having a probowl caliber roster.
I was watching Aaron Rodgers vs. Indy yesterday, and man did it hurt when I saw him thread passes in between defenders. Whenever his line broke down, he had this calm about him, and he still found ways to make plays. Alex, on the other hand (despite playing well the other night), still runs around like a chicken with its head cut off. You cant deny that as Niner fans, we all hold our breaths praying that the worst doesnt happen.
Boy, did we botch in that draft.........and worse, we have NO backup plan when and if Alex fails.
Point taken ZRF. My question to you is.........how did the Niners botch this draft? Because they didn't take Jimmy Clausen or some other QB as insurance? Baalke and the Niners brass had a hell of a draft and could get as many as 5 starters out of this class (Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Mays and Dixon). The Niners will not have to rebuild next year if Alex fails. Whomever plays QB for the Niners next year will have a good o line, plenty of receivers and a solid running game. The Niners also have plenty of draft picks as ammunition to trade up in next year's draft if they have to. Whatever happens with Alex this year, I for one am not worried about the future because of the overall quality of the team around him or our future franchise QB.
He's talking about the draft where we could have drafter Aarron Rodgers first instead of Alex Smith, NOT this years draft. It was just our luck when we get the #1 overall pick in one of the worst talented draft picks available! Boy were we cursed that year.
Anyway, I'm not sure drafting Rodgers would have made a difference. We had the worst talented team and coaching staff that year. From Nolan, to the Yorks, McClueless, Brandon Lloyd, a crappy O-Line and NO QB can succeed with a crappy O-line. There was no good coaching staff to groom Alex so he didn't develope the way other rookie QB's are getting to develope such as a Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan. Those teams put the right pieces in place w a good running game, defense and protection from the O-line.
thats my two cents!
As fans, we have to turn the page on that draft. Yes, we could have drafted Rodgers, but you are correct about the condition of the team at the time. Rodgers looks great now because he had a chance to sit and learn behind a legend without the pressure of performing right away. Would he have turned out any different being thrown to the wolves like Alex did? We will never know.
Time to deal with the here and now. That is why I talked about this draft. If Smith makes it this year, it will be because he has a good to great supporting cast of teammates. If he doesn't, the next guy will not have to do it all on his own.
Id have to disagree with you guys on point. I dont think Rodgers would be as far along as he is now with GB HAD he been drafted by the Niners; however, Rodgers possesses many qualities that I dont feel Alex has in him. Instinct is the first that comes to mind. We can back and forth on whether or not starting a rookie in year 1 is a good idea or not.....even though it did pan out for guys like Manning and McNabb.
What you cant argue is that Rodgers has the intangibles that Smith lacks. Instinct, calmness, a sense of your environment, etc. are not teachable tools. These things you're born with. Rodgers has them. Smith certainly does not.
I have to disagree with your last paragraph Z, Smith does have those qualities and you could see it in the last game. He played calm, cool and collected, made the right reads and delivered the ball on target. The only difference between Rodgers and Smith is that Aaron was lucky enough to go to a team that was stable and knew how to prepare a young QB to play.
Originally posted by Shaj:Originally posted by dtcomposer:Originally posted by Shaj:
I have some hope for Alex after the last game. The biggest improvement I saw was his pocket presence. I think his upside is very limited, but he can be the game manager that Nolan envisioned.... kind of like Dilfer the year the Ravens won the superbowl.
I would be interested to know why you think his upside is limited?
past performance is the best predictor of future performance.
