Frank Gore Vs. Steven Jackson (Highlights)

Gore was better last season and its not really disputable. Overall, its neck and neck, whether fans want to admit it or not. I give Gore the edge, but anyone saying that one is clearly better than the other is a homer or ignorant.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by deep2crab:
Frank Gore's career statistics
Rushing
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2009 San Francisco 49ers 14 229 16.4 1,120 4.9 80.0 10 80T 47 20.5 11 4 4
2008 San Francisco 49ers 14 240 17.1 1,036 4.3 74.0 6 41T 44 18.3 8 1 6
2007 San Francisco 49ers 15 260 17.3 1,102 4.2 73.5 5 43T 42 16.2 5 1 3
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 312 19.5 1,695 5.4 105.9 8 72 68 21.8 15 6 5
2005 San Francisco 49ers 14 127 9.1 608 4.8 43.4 3 72T 26 20.5 4 1 1
TOTAL 73 1,168 16.0 5,561 4.8 76.2 32 80 227 19.4 43 13 19


Steven Jackson's career statistics

Rushing
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2009 St. Louis Rams 15 324 21.6 1,416 4.4 94.4 4 58 61 18.8 10 2 2
2008 St. Louis Rams 12 253 21.1 1,042 4.1 86.8 7 56T 58 22.9 6 1 5
2007 St. Louis Rams 12 237 19.8 1,002 4.2 83.5 5 54 36 15.2 8 4 3
2006 St. Louis Rams 16 346 21.6 1,528 4.4 95.5 13 59T 74 21.4 9 1 2
2005 St. Louis Rams 15 254 16.9 1,046 4.1 69.7 8 51 50 19.7 6 2 3
2004 St. Louis Rams 14 134 9.6 673 5.0 48.1 4 48 37 27.6 5 2 1
TOTAL 84 1,548 18.4 6,707 4.3 79.8 41 59 316 20.4 44 12 16


If the video doesn't say it the stats sure do. How could Jackson have the better 2006 season when gore had more yards on less attempts?

Jackson had 300 more total yards and 7 total td's more than Gore did.

IMO, when stats are this close they dont mean much. Secondly, stats don't tell the whole story. If you are really that big on stats, there is only one that really matters, YARDS PER CARRY. In that case Gore wins all day long. Why would you even consider compariing the amount of yards they each had when Gore had far fewer touches? In additino, who cares if Jackson had 7 more TDs? So they used him on the goal line a little more. Thats his ONE strenght over Gore. I doubt many of those TDs where from outside the redzone or more than 5 yards out for that matter.

Enough with the excuse about the oline. We aren't talking about 2006 only. We are talking about the complete body of work (actually this was about 2009). Just watch them both run. Gore has way better vision. Jackson is like a battering Ram.

Trust me, if I thought Jackson was a better RB I would say so.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by deep2crab:
Frank Gore's career statistics
Rushing
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2009 San Francisco 49ers 14 229 16.4 1,120 4.9 80.0 10 80T 47 20.5 11 4 4
2008 San Francisco 49ers 14 240 17.1 1,036 4.3 74.0 6 41T 44 18.3 8 1 6
2007 San Francisco 49ers 15 260 17.3 1,102 4.2 73.5 5 43T 42 16.2 5 1 3
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 312 19.5 1,695 5.4 105.9 8 72 68 21.8 15 6 5
2005 San Francisco 49ers 14 127 9.1 608 4.8 43.4 3 72T 26 20.5 4 1 1
TOTAL 73 1,168 16.0 5,561 4.8 76.2 32 80 227 19.4 43 13 19


Steven Jackson's career statistics

Rushing
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2009 St. Louis Rams 15 324 21.6 1,416 4.4 94.4 4 58 61 18.8 10 2 2
2008 St. Louis Rams 12 253 21.1 1,042 4.1 86.8 7 56T 58 22.9 6 1 5
2007 St. Louis Rams 12 237 19.8 1,002 4.2 83.5 5 54 36 15.2 8 4 3
2006 St. Louis Rams 16 346 21.6 1,528 4.4 95.5 13 59T 74 21.4 9 1 2
2005 St. Louis Rams 15 254 16.9 1,046 4.1 69.7 8 51 50 19.7 6 2 3
2004 St. Louis Rams 14 134 9.6 673 5.0 48.1 4 48 37 27.6 5 2 1
TOTAL 84 1,548 18.4 6,707 4.3 79.8 41 59 316 20.4 44 12 16


If the video doesn't say it the stats sure do. How could Jackson have the better 2006 season when gore had more yards on less attempts?

Jackson had 300 more total yards and 7 total td's more than Gore did.

IMO, when stats are this close they dont mean much. Secondly, stats don't tell the whole story. If you are really that big on stats, there is only one that really matters, YARDS PER CARRY. In that case Gore wins all day long. Why would you even consider compariing the amount of yards they each had when Gore had far fewer touches? In additino, who cares if Jackson had 7 more TDs? So they used him on the goal line a little more. Thats his ONE strenght over Gore. I doubt many of those TDs where from outside the redzone or more than 5 yards out for that matter.

Enough with the excuse about the oline. We aren't talking about 2006 only. We are talking about the complete body of work (actually this was about 2009). Just watch them both run. Gore has way better vision. Jackson is like a battering Ram.

Trust me, if I thought Jackson was a better RB I would say so.

YPC are not the only stat that matters, maybe if they ran behind the same OL's but they don't. Neither has had great run blocking lines (minus Gore's 2006) but nonetheless the OL matters if people want to talk stats on not film.

I can understand an argument for each being SLIGHTLY better than the other, but there is nothing proving one is clearly better and by a decent margin at that.

OK even though Gore's stats were better in 09. The reason I am paying attention to 09 is for one reason-CONTINUITY. FUKKK the stats! Just watch them play and you can see that Gore is obviously more of a big play threat. If Gore had 100 more touches, he wouldve easily eclipsed Jackson's 1400 yds, not to mention racked more TDs(GORE 13 - Jackson 4). FuKKK all the stats, except for one which is truly important- TOUCHDOWNS. By the way Gore is still goin strong, Jackson seems like he is losing some steam. Respect to Jackson whose running style is pure vicious, but Gore is the man.

Originally posted by prime21:
OK even though Gore's stats were better in 09. The reason I am paying attention to 09 is for one reason-CONTINUITY. FUKKK the stats! Just watch them play and you can see that Gore is obviously more of a big play threat. If Gore had 100 more touches, he wouldve easily eclipsed Jackson's 1400 yds, not to mention racked more TDs(GORE 13 - Jackson 4). FuKKK all the stats, except for one which is truly important- TOUCHDOWNS. By the way Gore is still goin strong, Jackson seems like he is losing some steam. Respect to Jackson whose running style is pure vicious, but Gore is the man.

This was the first time in Gore's career that he eclipsed Jackson in touchdowns (rushing and total). Jackson might have had more TD's this year if he wasn't the only playmaker on the offense, he faced more stacked boxes than Gore did.

As for Jackson losing steam.....here are some other interesting stats from ProFootballFocus :

Yards after contact
Gore 616
Jackson 954

Missed tackles (broken or avoided)
Gore 21
Jackson 40

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by prime21:
OK even though Gore's stats were better in 09. The reason I am paying attention to 09 is for one reason-CONTINUITY. FUKKK the stats! Just watch them play and you can see that Gore is obviously more of a big play threat. If Gore had 100 more touches, he wouldve easily eclipsed Jackson's 1400 yds, not to mention racked more TDs(GORE 13 - Jackson 4). FuKKK all the stats, except for one which is truly important- TOUCHDOWNS. By the way Gore is still goin strong, Jackson seems like he is losing some steam. Respect to Jackson whose running style is pure vicious, but Gore is the man.

This was the first time in Gore's career that he eclipsed Jackson in touchdowns (rushing and total). Jackson might have had more TD's this year if he wasn't the only playmaker on the offense, he faced more stacked boxes than Gore did.

As for Jackson losing steam.....here are some other interesting stats from ProFootballFocus :

Yards after contact
Gore 616
Jackson 954

Missed tackles (broken or avoided)
Gore 21
Jackson 40

Gore's not an elusive back--he doesn't make people miss. What he has is a very quick initial burst that gets him out of the line of contact making it hard for people to even attempt to tackle him.

Personally I would rank Jackson as slightly better than Gore but not by much.

Top 5:
1. Chris Johnson
2. AP
3. Steven Jackson
4. Frank Gore
5. Ray Rice/MJD/Michael Turner

Vision - Gore
Goal line / 3rd down back - S. Jackson
Blocking - Gore
Toughness- S. Jackson
Break away potential - Gore
Elusiveness - S. Jackson (but its close)
Breaking tackles - tie


I hate the Rams but have mad respect for S. Jackson. This one is a toss up. I'd take either one any day of the week.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by brhokla:
Two completely different styles of running. Really you can't compare these two guy's.

Give me a break. They play the same position. That alone means they are comparable. Just because one is a power runner (actually, they both are, but Gore also has elusiveness) and one is more dynamic doesn't mean they shouldn't be compared. Gore is better at picking up blitzes and other blocks, though Jackson is very good at blocking as well - he just doesn't pick them up as well as Gore does. Gore also has better hands and is more of a threat out of the backfield despite the one year Jackson caught 90 passes for 800 yards. As a runner, Gore is more of a homerun threat - actually, he's more of a threat, period. They both have great vision and hit the holes quickly and with authority, but Gore being able to shed tackles AND elude others makes him the better runner. And don't give me that nonsense about Jackson being on the worst team in the league because the O-Line is what springs these runs and ours was worse than any other in the league last year.

Steven Jackson had 95 more carries than Gore last season, yet only put up 296 more yards. Frank Gore averaged 4.9 yards-per-carry last season. If you give Gore the same amount of carries as Jackson, he puts up 1,585 yards, which is 169 yards more than Jackson managed. Furthermore, Gore averaged a TD every 22.9 carries, meaning given 95 extra carries, he'd have 4 more TDs, giving him 14 compared to the 4 that Jackson mustered.

Gore outplayed Jackson last year. There are no excuses because our line was awful last season, so Jackson gets no pass. In 07 and 08, they were similar. In 2006 Gore was better than Jackson. There hasn't been a single year since Gore became the starter that Jackson outdid him.

Gore >>>> Jackson

gore was also hurt and missed time last year. Gore>Jackson and its not even close

Steven Jackson's highlights posted by OP, I'd file under gay. Someone was a little too in love with SJ having his shirt off

On a serious note, SJ is a better RB and up there with AP and CJ. Gore is a great back too. But I'd put AP/SJ/AP/CJ/MJD above him.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Steven Jackson's highlights posted by OP, I'd file under gay. Someone was a little too in love with SJ having his shirt off

On a serious note, SJ is a better RB and up there with AP and CJ. Gore is a great back too. But I'd put AP/SJ/AP/CJ/MJD above him.

steven jackson is not better than gore in any way.

it's like comparing barry sanders and roger craig...i pick frank...but sj is definately a beast and carries the lambs on his back year in and year out...kinda like frank did for us for a while

Originally posted by Snider8706:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Steven Jackson's highlights posted by OP, I'd file under gay. Someone was a little too in love with SJ having his shirt off

On a serious note, SJ is a better RB and up there with AP and CJ. Gore is a great back too. But I'd put AP/SJ/AP/CJ/MJD above him.

steven jackson is not better than gore in any way.

Take of the Red and Gold colored glasses. SJ is by far the superior short yardage back (Gore kinda sucks in regard to short yardage) and is the better receiver. Stop being a homer.

Originally posted by smileyman:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by prime21:
OK even though Gore's stats were better in 09. The reason I am paying attention to 09 is for one reason-CONTINUITY. FUKKK the stats! Just watch them play and you can see that Gore is obviously more of a big play threat. If Gore had 100 more touches, he wouldve easily eclipsed Jackson's 1400 yds, not to mention racked more TDs(GORE 13 - Jackson 4). FuKKK all the stats, except for one which is truly important- TOUCHDOWNS. By the way Gore is still goin strong, Jackson seems like he is losing some steam. Respect to Jackson whose running style is pure vicious, but Gore is the man.

This was the first time in Gore's career that he eclipsed Jackson in touchdowns (rushing and total). Jackson might have had more TD's this year if he wasn't the only playmaker on the offense, he faced more stacked boxes than Gore did.

As for Jackson losing steam.....here are some other interesting stats from ProFootballFocus :

Yards after contact
Gore 616
Jackson 954

Missed tackles (broken or avoided)
Gore 21
Jackson 40

Gore's not an elusive back--he doesn't make people miss. What he has is a very quick initial burst that gets him out of the line of contact making it hard for people to even attempt to tackle him.

Personally I would rank Jackson as slightly better than Gore but not by much.

Top 5:
1. Chris Johnson
2. AP
3. Steven Jackson
4. Frank Gore
5. Ray Rice/MJD/Michael Turner

I respect the opinion of both you and KRS-1 based on your posts throughout the year(s).
Obviously your not alone in your opinion on Steven Jackson, but I just dont see it. I'm curious when you say Jackson is slightly better than Gore are you basing that on stats or some kind of eyeball test? For me I'm looking at YPC, 20+ yrd runs and then just an eyeball test.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Snider8706:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Steven Jackson's highlights posted by OP, I'd file under gay. Someone was a little too in love with SJ having his shirt off

On a serious note, SJ is a better RB and up there with AP and CJ. Gore is a great back too. But I'd put AP/SJ/AP/CJ/MJD above him.

steven jackson is not better than gore in any way.

Take of the Red and Gold colored glasses. SJ is by far the superior short yardage back (Gore kinda sucks in regard to short yardage) and is the better receiver. Stop being a homer.

gore is a better all around RB.....jax may he a good goaline back but there's a reason his team sucks. Our team has sucked but gore put us on his back which is something jax can't do.

to be honest, jackson and gore might be closer than i let on in my posts but, its just hard for me to rank him better when our defense makes him look so bad at times. also i recall hearing a few players saying that sj is the hardest back to play against.