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Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

[ Edited by redrathman on Aug 9, 2010 at 21:06:46 ]
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

Heitmann will definitely miss the first game, but the Seahawks have a notoriously bad pass rush, so I think that our size up front will dictate the tempo and Frank will run them down.

Its the second game against the Saints that we need our offense to be clicking. Hopefully by that time this problem has fixed its self or at least isn't completely stonewalling us. I don't think it will though. That's the night we shock America

[ Edited by NinerBuff on Aug 9, 2010 at 21:12:54 ]
heitmann=OVERRATED
Baas can play Center pretty well. He may be a little better there than he is at Guard.
Originally posted by btwagner:
heitmann=OVERRATED

Yes he is on this board.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

Heitmann will definitely miss the first game, but the Seahawks have a notoriously bad pass rush, so I think that our size up front will dictate the tempo and Frank will run them down.

Its the second game against the Saints that we need our offense to be clicking. Hopefully by that time this problem has fixed its self or at least isn't completely stonewalling us. I don't think it will though. That's the night we shock America

Notoriously bad Pass Rush?

I apologize but I cannot disagree more strenuously. If you mean Run Defense I would agree with that. But Pass Rush? No. They had Patrick Kearney who was almost a mirror image of Justing Smith. Rocky Bernard is no slouch. Their RBs' always played us solid as well. Now that could be due to our crappy Line. But no way you could classify them as having a bad, poor or inept Pass Rush.

I mean dang dude even when Peterson was part of that team he was always in our Backfield doing that Ray Van Dam thumb point to his name. Made me sick to my stomach to see our guys get beat like bongo drums by them. Of course it didn't help us any when they went out and got Ray Rhodes to be their DCoordinator. Nolan should have gotten Rhodes when he had the chance. Might have helped this team win a few more games at least.

Now if you were to say that their Pass Rush should be lacking this season I would have to agree since they've lost a good part of their Defensive Front during the Offseason. At least Kerney retired and didn't move on to some other team on our schedule.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

Heitmann will definitely miss the first game, but the Seahawks have a notoriously bad pass rush, so I think that our size up front will dictate the tempo and Frank will run them down.

Its the second game against the Saints that we need our offense to be clicking. Hopefully by that time this problem has fixed its self or at least isn't completely stonewalling us. I don't think it will though. That's the night we shock America

Notoriously bad Pass Rush?[confused]

I apologize but I cannot disagree more strenuously. If you mean Run Defense I would agree with that. But Pass Rush? No. They had Patrick Kearney who was almost a mirror image of Justing Smith. Rocky Bernard is no slouch. Their RBs' always played us solid as well. Now that could be due to our crappy Line. But no way you could classify them as having a bad, poor or inept Pass Rush.

I mean dang dude even when Peterson was part of that team he was always in our Backfield doing that Ray Van Dam thumb point to his name. Made me sick to my stomach to see our guys get beat like bongo drums by them. Of course it didn't help us any when they went out and got Ray Rhodes to be their DCoordinator. Nolan should have gotten Rhodes when he had the chance. Might have helped this team win a few more games at least.

Now if you were to say that their Pass Rush should be lacking this season I would have to agree since they've lost a good part of their Defensive Front during the Offseason. At least Kerney retired and didn't move on to some other team on our schedule.

~Ceadder

maybe not notorius, but they didnt have a good one last year and did nothing to add to it this year, their genius move was moving a 330 lb tackle to DE..........none of the seahawks u mentioned will take part in week 1

[ Edited by crabman82 on Aug 9, 2010 at 22:09:40 ]
Bass ftw!!!
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

Heitmann will definitely miss the first game, but the Seahawks have a notoriously bad pass rush, so I think that our size up front will dictate the tempo and Frank will run them down.

Its the second game against the Saints that we need our offense to be clicking. Hopefully by that time this problem has fixed its self or at least isn't completely stonewalling us. I don't think it will though. That's the night we shock America

Notoriously bad Pass Rush?

I apologize but I cannot disagree more strenuously. If you mean Run Defense I would agree with that. But Pass Rush? No. They had Patrick Kearney who was almost a mirror image of Justing Smith. Rocky Bernard is no slouch. Their RBs' always played us solid as well. Now that could be due to our crappy Line. But no way you could classify them as having a bad, poor or inept Pass Rush.

I mean dang dude even when Peterson was part of that team he was always in our Backfield doing that Ray Van Dam thumb point to his name. Made me sick to my stomach to see our guys get beat like bongo drums by them. Of course it didn't help us any when they went out and got Ray Rhodes to be their DCoordinator. Nolan should have gotten Rhodes when he had the chance. Might have helped this team win a few more games at least.

Now if you were to say that their Pass Rush should be lacking this season I would have to agree since they've lost a good part of their Defensive Front during the Offseason. At least Kerney retired and didn't move on to some other team on our schedule.

~Ceadder
didn't rocky bernard go to the giants? Seahawks passrush comes because they blitz all day.
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

Heitmann will definitely miss the first game, but the Seahawks have a notoriously bad pass rush, so I think that our size up front will dictate the tempo and Frank will run them down.

Its the second game against the Saints that we need our offense to be clicking. Hopefully by that time this problem has fixed its self or at least isn't completely stonewalling us. I don't think it will though. That's the night we shock America

Notoriously bad Pass Rush?

I apologize but I cannot disagree more strenuously. If you mean Run Defense I would agree with that. But Pass Rush? No. They had Patrick Kearney who was almost a mirror image of Justing Smith. Rocky Bernard is no slouch. Their RBs' always played us solid as well. Now that could be due to our crappy Line. But no way you could classify them as having a bad, poor or inept Pass Rush.

I mean dang dude even when Peterson was part of that team he was always in our Backfield doing that Ray Van Dam thumb point to his name. Made me sick to my stomach to see our guys get beat like bongo drums by them. Of course it didn't help us any when they went out and got Ray Rhodes to be their DCoordinator. Nolan should have gotten Rhodes when he had the chance. Might have helped this team win a few more games at least.

Now if you were to say that their Pass Rush should be lacking this season I would have to agree since they've lost a good part of their Defensive Front during the Offseason. At least Kerney retired and didn't move on to some other team on our schedule.

~Ceadder
didn't rocky bernard go to the giants? Seahawks passrush comes because they blitz all day.

Ya think so. I left that out. But meh... it was written like they never had a good Pass Rush. Seems to me they've had one of the best as far as we should be concerned until our OLine can keep them out of our Backfield consistently. Don't sleep on them cause they lost a couple starters. I don't believe they're good enough to give us much competition for the Division but like we are a thorn in the side of Az. They are just as much a thorn in our backside.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Im all for Wragge at C, IMO screw Baas, he is garbage IMO, just cause he was a 2nd rd pick and Wragge came from the Arena League means nothing.

When Wragge played we were succesful running the ball.

The majority of the time Baas isn't that impressive. But occasionally he plays like the player we hoped him to be. I think he could do it more often, it is just a matter of motivation and confidence. If the 49ers are better this year than they have been in the past, that could prove to be motivation enough. "A rising tide lifts all boats".
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
A few months ago I posted this and newbies (fans who did not observe Wragge in action before) got mad at my post.

Well, it's sad that Eric had to sit down due to a leg injury but he really was the weakest link after Kwame left!

Wragge is stronger and more durable than Baas, and I bet Frank can run blindfolded between wragge and Iupati - I can see those running space/hole opening up like we've never seen before, done by 49ers O-line before!

With the O-lineup we have this year will make our offense 100% better!

I agree with you....I for one have always wanted to see Baas at center. I always thought he is a better C than G. Especially for a team wanting to run the ball. I am hoping for a strong showing by Baas the next 2 months...If the line is performing very well 2 or 3 games into the season heitmann may not get his job back. And yes he has always been the weakest link since kwame. He is soft......If Baas plays well I am hoping to see a line of

staley
iupati
baas
rachal
davis

Phil Barber's Blog

Quote:
Singletary confirmed that C Eric Heitmann has a broken left fibula, and could miss six to eight weeks. David Baas continued to work at center with the first team. On his first snap of team period, he rolled a ground ball to Alex Smith.

David Baas as a long way to go before anyone anoints him the starting center of the San Francisco 49ers.

bottom line is we got 4 preseason games to see who the best man is, it would suck if we were left with 1 option, we got 2 or 3 so i am pretty confident they wont all s**t the bed

Yeah? People said that about Right Tackle last season when the team had Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims as options.

We all know how that worked out.

Eric Heitmann won't easily be replaced.

Heitmann will definitely miss the first game, but the Seahawks have a notoriously bad pass rush, so I think that our size up front will dictate the tempo and Frank will run them down.

Its the second game against the Saints that we need our offense to be clicking. Hopefully by that time this problem has fixed its self or at least isn't completely stonewalling us. I don't think it will though. That's the night we shock America

Notoriously bad Pass Rush?

I apologize but I cannot disagree more strenuously. If you mean Run Defense I would agree with that. But Pass Rush? No. They had Patrick Kearney who was almost a mirror image of Justing Smith. Rocky Bernard is no slouch. Their RBs' always played us solid as well. Now that could be due to our crappy Line. But no way you could classify them as having a bad, poor or inept Pass Rush.

I mean dang dude even when Peterson was part of that team he was always in our Backfield doing that Ray Van Dam thumb point to his name. Made me sick to my stomach to see our guys get beat like bongo drums by them. Of course it didn't help us any when they went out and got Ray Rhodes to be their DCoordinator. Nolan should have gotten Rhodes when he had the chance. Might have helped this team win a few more games at least.

Now if you were to say that their Pass Rush should be lacking this season I would have to agree since they've lost a good part of their Defensive Front during the Offseason. At least Kerney retired and didn't move on to some other team on our schedule.

~Ceadder

You are right, I should have been more specific to the time frame. I am referring to last season and this season. Kerney hasn't been his Probowl self since 2007, but he still had glimpses of it in 2008.

But as for this year, their D-line is the weakness on their defense and with A.Curry being hindered with concussion syndrome and the L.Hill's suspension, their linebacking corp is also weakened.

I shouldn't have used "notoriously bad", but I still don't think they will be any good.
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