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Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:
Help me. Name 5 teams that have better 3rd, 4th, and 5th slot wr, and 2nd string TE, and M.Rob catching out the back field.
Indianapolis
Green Bay
New Orleans
Dallas
Detroit
Philadelphia
San Diego
Our depth isn't as good as you guys may think. There is a lot that is still unproven with what we have. It may look good on paper in some eyes but on paper and actual production are 2 different things.
Philly, Det, and SD has better 8 guys then we do?
Please explain....
It's self explanatory. Ted Ginn has a lot to prove and Delanie Walker is not as good as most make him out to be. Again with our WR's it's all good on paper but consistency is a whole other ballgame.
Detroit added a very good TE to pair with Pettigrew and a #2 WR who was better than our #2, pushing Bryant Johnson back to a slot role. Philly brought back Baskett who plays well in there system plus they have Avant as the # 3. SD has no worries about losing LT as far as the passing game goes, Sproles took over that role. Malcom Floyd stepped up, Naanee is a solid role player and they have former 1st rounder Buster Davis as the #4.
Tell me what Jason Hill and Brandon Jones have shown that makes them such great options ? The inability to get themselves on the field ? The ability to be injury prone/always nicked or dinged up or have hampering groin injuries ?
Hold up. About our wrs, we've seen them all play with a under avg to avg QB and under avg to avg O-line. You put Crabs, VD, Josh M, Gore, D Walk, Hill, MRob and BJ on Philly or SD of last year, they'd be putting up crazy numbers also. Those teams o-lines would allow the play to develop.
Det looks good on paper. Period.
McNabb makes every wr look better than they really are, because of the o-line and the system.
As well as SD's o-line makes their passing attack look good and Rivers. Yes Sproles is raw, but you watch, he'll get more touches with the ball this year, and we will see him take more punishment, which leads to injury. Period.
So you think if you take our weapons and trade them to SD for theirs, they wouldn't do better?
Originally posted by TFSP:
You cannot look at stats alone and say we are average. Stats are not the only barometer to label one's talent, or a core in this case. And if you think so, Marvin Harrison broke some of Jerry Rice's records, are you saying he's better than Jerry Rice or as good as him?
Look, I, just like most of us, have seen every WR from Cabs to Zeigler(sp) make better plays than stupid or no effort plays vs our WR's from 2002-2005. These dudes have been catching ducks from different QB's. You can have what ever WR group you want. This season I'll take Da9ers every week, anytime.
In this season's offense, WR's just need to beat the 1-on-1 coverage. Every last guy on this depth chart is capable of such.
Until they prove it consistently.....Originally posted by mug0mug:
The Calvin Johnson conversation ended a couple of pages ago, but I think he is currently the best receiver in the leage. I'm one of few people who've watched just about every Lions game the past few years (thanks to fantasy football + Sunday Ticket + DVR) and he is awesome. I'd rather have him than anyone else in the league @ WR.
Originally posted by TFSP:
You cannot look at stats alone and say we are average. Stats are not the only barometer to label one's talent, or a core in this case. And if you think so, Marvin Harrison broke some of Jerry Rice's records, are you saying he's better than Jerry Rice or as good as him?
Look, I, just like most of us, have seen every WR from Cabs to Zeigler(sp) make better plays than stupid or no effort plays vs our WR's from 2002-2005. These dudes have been catching ducks from different QB's. You can have what ever WR group you want. This season I'll take Da9ers every week, anytime.
In this season's offense, WR's just need to beat the 1-on-1 coverage. Every last guy on this depth chart is capable of such.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's certainly not good. I wouldn't rate us real high. Other than Crabtree who do we have at WR? And even he is overrated on this board IMO. He's no Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.
Originally posted by susweel:
This pisses me off. We should be ranked 14th.
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's certainly not good. I wouldn't rate us real high. Other than Crabtree who do we have at WR? And even he is overrated on this board IMO. He's no Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.
um Morgan is good, Ginn has top 5 speed, hill runes good routes
Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:
Help me. Name 5 teams that have better 3rd, 4th, and 5th slot wr, and 2nd string TE, and M.Rob catching out the back field.
Indianapolis
Green Bay
New Orleans
Dallas
Detroit
Philadelphia
San Diego
Our depth isn't as good as you guys may think. There is a lot that is still unproven with what we have. It may look good on paper in some eyes but on paper and actual production are 2 different things.
Philly, Det, and SD has better 8 guys then we do?
Please explain....
It's self explanatory. Ted Ginn has a lot to prove and Delanie Walker is not as good as most make him out to be. Again with our WR's it's all good on paper but consistency is a whole other ballgame.
Detroit added a very good TE to pair with Pettigrew and a #2 WR who was better than our #2, pushing Bryant Johnson back to a slot role. Philly brought back Baskett who plays well in there system plus they have Avant as the # 3. SD has no worries about losing LT as far as the passing game goes, Sproles took over that role. Malcom Floyd stepped up, Naanee is a solid role player and they have former 1st rounder Buster Davis as the #4.
Tell me what Jason Hill and Brandon Jones have shown that makes them such great options ? The inability to get themselves on the field ? The ability to be injury prone/always nicked or dinged up or have hampering groin injuries ?
Hold up. About our wrs, we've seen them all play with a under avg to avg QB and under avg to avg O-line. You put Crabs, VD, Josh M, Gore, D Walk, Hill, MRob and BJ on Philly or SD of last year, they'd be putting up crazy numbers also. Those teams o-lines would allow the play to develop.
Det looks good on paper. Period.
McNabb makes every wr look better than they really are, because of the o-line and the system.
As well as SD's o-line makes their passing attack look good and Rivers. Yes Sproles is raw, but you watch, he'll get more touches with the ball this year, and we will see him take more punishment, which leads to injury. Period.
So you think if you take our weapons and trade them to SD for theirs, they wouldn't do better?
Philly's passing isn't better because of McNabb, it's just better. Kevin Kolb threw for over 700 yards in 2 games with McNabb out. Celek and Jackson both posted 100 yard games in those 2 games. And Philly surrendered 2 sacks less than we did last year.
If you watch the games and not just the box scores you'd know Scheffler is a much better pass catcher than Walker and Burleson has consistently been a good #2 when put in that role.
Sproles will likely get a few more touches than last year but not much. Matthews will be the early down back. Sproles had 45 catches last year...as the #2 back. Also SD averaged a full yard less per carry than we did last year, they were forced to pass to move the chains. Had they had a run game they would have had an even better passing game.
Again you are far overvaluing our depth in the passing game (heck you keep bringing up MRob who has done little to nothing for us there, and Brandon Jones who did nothing last year and was never better than a 3-4 in Tennessee even though he had a lot of opportunities to become the #1 or 2).
Originally posted by Ether:Originally posted by TFSP:
You cannot look at stats alone and say we are average. Stats are not the only barometer to label one's talent, or a core in this case. And if you think so, Marvin Harrison broke some of Jerry Rice's records, are you saying he's better than Jerry Rice or as good as him?
Look, I, just like most of us, have seen every WR from Cabs to Zeigler(sp) make better plays than stupid or no effort plays vs our WR's from 2002-2005. These dudes have been catching ducks from different QB's. You can have what ever WR group you want. This season I'll take Da9ers every week, anytime.
In this season's offense, WR's just need to beat the 1-on-1 coverage. Every last guy on this depth chart is capable of such.
Not that it really matters, but that is entirely false logic. Jerry has hundreds of records in his name... If Marvin breaks ALL of them then of course he's better than Jerry. But he hasnt... so he's not...
Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:
You cannot look at stats alone and say we are average. Stats are not the only barometer to label one's talent, or a core in this case. And if you think so, Marvin Harrison broke some of Jerry Rice's records, are you saying he's better than Jerry Rice or as good as him?
Look, I, just like most of us, have seen every WR from Cabs to Zeigler(sp) make better plays than stupid or no effort plays vs our WR's from 2002-2005. These dudes have been catching ducks from different QB's. You can have what ever WR group you want. This season I'll take Da9ers every week, anytime.
In this season's offense, WR's just need to beat the 1-on-1 coverage. Every last guy on this depth chart is capable of such.
Seriously ?
Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by TFSP:
Help me. Name 5 teams that have better 3rd, 4th, and 5th slot wr, and 2nd string TE, and M.Rob catching out the back field.
Indianapolis
Green Bay
New Orleans
Dallas
Detroit
Philadelphia
San Diego
Our depth isn't as good as you guys may think. There is a lot that is still unproven with what we have. It may look good on paper in some eyes but on paper and actual production are 2 different things.
Philly, Det, and SD has better 8 guys then we do?
Please explain....
It's self explanatory. Ted Ginn has a lot to prove and Delanie Walker is not as good as most make him out to be. Again with our WR's it's all good on paper but consistency is a whole other ballgame.
Detroit added a very good TE to pair with Pettigrew and a #2 WR who was better than our #2, pushing Bryant Johnson back to a slot role. Philly brought back Baskett who plays well in there system plus they have Avant as the # 3. SD has no worries about losing LT as far as the passing game goes, Sproles took over that role. Malcom Floyd stepped up, Naanee is a solid role player and they have former 1st rounder Buster Davis as the #4.
Tell me what Jason Hill and Brandon Jones have shown that makes them such great options ? The inability to get themselves on the field ? The ability to be injury prone/always nicked or dinged up or have hampering groin injuries ?
Hold up. About our wrs, we've seen them all play with a under avg to avg QB and under avg to avg O-line. You put Crabs, VD, Josh M, Gore, D Walk, Hill, MRob and BJ on Philly or SD of last year, they'd be putting up crazy numbers also. Those teams o-lines would allow the play to develop.
Det looks good on paper. Period.
McNabb makes every wr look better than they really are, because of the o-line and the system.
As well as SD's o-line makes their passing attack look good and Rivers. Yes Sproles is raw, but you watch, he'll get more touches with the ball this year, and we will see him take more punishment, which leads to injury. Period.
So you think if you take our weapons and trade them to SD for theirs, they wouldn't do better?
Philly's passing isn't better because of McNabb, it's just better. Kevin Kolb threw for over 700 yards in 2 games with McNabb out. Celek and Jackson both posted 100 yard games in those 2 games. And Philly surrendered 2 sacks less than we did last year.
If you watch the games and not just the box scores you'd know Scheffler is a much better pass catcher than Walker and Burleson has consistently been a good #2 when put in that role.
Sproles will likely get a few more touches than last year but not much. Matthews will be the early down back. Sproles had 45 catches last year...as the #2 back. Also SD averaged a full yard less per carry than we did last year, they were forced to pass to move the chains. Had they had a run game they would have had an even better passing game.
Again you are far overvaluing our depth in the passing game (heck you keep bringing up MRob who has done little to nothing for us there, and Brandon Jones who did nothing last year and was never better than a 3-4 in Tennessee even though he had a lot of opportunities to become the #1 or 2).
About Kolb, do know when a defense faces a QB with a good o-line, and have no tape on the guy, who is going to win that battle in most cases?
Next...i'm not a statistical guy. And never been...(even on madden...lol)
Sproles is basically the only rb that catches the ball out the back field for SD. So so what about him being a #2 back. It's situational.
About slot wrs...a slot wr with hands, minimal speed, but with great route running ability will do great work when the offense has even just 1 premier wr on the outside. You put any 9er wr this year in NE's slot, or Colts, you'll see them put up good numbers as well. The good thing is we have about 3 #2 guys at WR. Which is fine when you have the run gm projected to be great, and VD.
And about MRob, do you remember his 1st back to back Td game his rookie year? More importantly, do you remember the results? He doesn't get in much obviously because blood is a our special team capt. But if he had the chance consistently, based off what you seen him do throughout the years, you can't say he wouldn't be a good weapon. About BJones, well unfortunately we didn't get to seem much of him play, but between that amazing 'only 1' catch he had towards the end of the season, and all the training cap-hype(which he was going all out to dive after a Alex Smith pass in the endzone. s**t there was even talk at that time that he could start) he received, he's worth a make a break season.