Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by TFSP:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by TFSP:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by TFSP:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by TFSP:
Help me. Name 5 teams that have better 3rd, 4th, and 5th slot wr, and 2nd string TE, and M.Rob catching out the back field.
Indianapolis
Green Bay
New Orleans
Dallas
Detroit
Philadelphia
San Diego
Our depth isn't as good as you guys may think. There is a lot that is still unproven with what we have. It may look good on paper in some eyes but on paper and actual production are 2 different things.
Philly, Det, and SD has better 8 guys then we do?
Please explain....
It's self explanatory. Ted Ginn has a lot to prove and Delanie Walker is not as good as most make him out to be. Again with our WR's it's all good on paper but consistency is a whole other ballgame.
Detroit added a very good TE to pair with Pettigrew and a #2 WR who was better than our #2, pushing Bryant Johnson back to a slot role. Philly brought back Baskett who plays well in there system plus they have Avant as the # 3. SD has no worries about losing LT as far as the passing game goes, Sproles took over that role. Malcom Floyd stepped up, Naanee is a solid role player and they have former 1st rounder Buster Davis as the #4.
Tell me what Jason Hill and Brandon Jones have shown that makes them such great options ? The inability to get themselves on the field ? The ability to be injury prone/always nicked or dinged up or have hampering groin injuries ?
Hold up. About our wrs, we've seen them all play with a under avg to avg QB and under avg to avg O-line. You put Crabs, VD, Josh M, Gore, D Walk, Hill, MRob and BJ on Philly or SD of last year, they'd be putting up crazy numbers also. Those teams o-lines would allow the play to develop.
Det looks good on paper. Period.
McNabb makes every wr look better than they really are, because of the o-line and the system.
As well as SD's o-line makes their passing attack look good and Rivers. Yes Sproles is raw, but you watch, he'll get more touches with the ball this year, and we will see him take more punishment, which leads to injury. Period.
So you think if you take our weapons and trade them to SD for theirs, they wouldn't do better?
Philly's passing isn't better because of McNabb, it's just better. Kevin Kolb threw for over 700 yards in 2 games with McNabb out. Celek and Jackson both posted 100 yard games in those 2 games. And Philly surrendered 2 sacks less than we did last year.
If you watch the games and not just the box scores you'd know Scheffler is a much better pass catcher than Walker and Burleson has consistently been a good #2 when put in that role.
Sproles will likely get a few more touches than last year but not much. Matthews will be the early down back. Sproles had 45 catches last year...as the #2 back. Also SD averaged a full yard less per carry than we did last year, they were forced to pass to move the chains. Had they had a run game they would have had an even better passing game.
Again you are far overvaluing our depth in the passing game (heck you keep bringing up MRob who has done little to nothing for us there, and Brandon Jones who did nothing last year and was never better than a 3-4 in Tennessee even though he had a lot of opportunities to become the #1 or 2).
About Kolb, do know when a defense faces a QB with a good o-line, and have no tape on the guy, who is going to win that battle in most cases?
Next...i'm not a statistical guy. And never been...(even on madden...lol)
Sproles is basically the only rb that catches the ball out the back field for SD. So so what about him being a #2 back. It's situational.
About slot wrs...a slot wr with hands, minimal speed, but with great route running ability will do great work when the offense has even just 1 premier wr on the outside. You put any 9er wr this year in NE's slot, or Colts, you'll see them put up good numbers as well. The good thing is we have about 3 #2 guys at WR. Which is fine when you have the run gm projected to be great, and VD.
And about MRob, do you remember his 1st back to back Td game his rookie year? More importantly, do you remember the results? He doesn't get in much obviously because blood is a our special team capt. But if he had the chance consistently, based off what you seen him do throughout the years, you can't say he wouldn't be a good weapon. About BJones, well unfortunately we didn't get to seem much of him play, but between that amazing 'only 1' catch he had towards the end of the season, and all the training cap-hype(which he was going all out to dive after a Alex Smith pass in the endzone. s**t there was even talk at that time that he could start) he received, he's worth a make a break season.
-Actually when a defense is going against a young QB where they have little tape, they are going to be blitz happy and bring a bunch of different looks and try to confuse him and pressure him all day.
-Sproles may be a situational back but he will continue to be used in the same manner, and a lot of that will be to let him get the ball in his hands in space. Without LT, his number of opportunities as a pass catcher may go up.
-Where do we have 3 #2's ?
Morgan is the only #2, and must take the next step this year to being that guy, he'll be challenged by Ginn but his blocking will likely solidify this role for him.
Jason Hill ? Not a coaches favorite and unproven. Has had limited chances thus can't conclude whether he truly is or not. He needs to stay healthy (history of hamstring/groin injuries) and be more visible and less timid (this is the same guy who claimed Bruce never talked to him, yet Morgan and Crabtree claimed Bruce to be a mentor to them).
Brandon Jones ? He is going into his 6th year and has never been better than a 3-4. WR's usually take 3 years to come into their own, will Jones ever be more than that ? Looks doubtful right now.
Ted Ginn ? He needs to work on his hands, first and foremost, his history of dropped passes is a major concern from my viewpoint. He failed at being the 1 and 2 in Miami, so he has a lot of work to do still. He is the #3 currently and could be the #4 if Hill or Jones can beat him out.
This team has a surplus of #3's and 4's but not a surplus of proven #2's.
- If MRob was a good weapon in the passing game, I'm sure the coaches would have given him a role on offense and used him more. ST's captain or not, if you can carve a niche on offense you will get PT, something he has not. He has carved his niche as a ST'er and valuable backup at multiple spots.
Again, you have your blinders on and are being a homer here, we have a lot to prove. Right now the ranking is more or less right on target until we prove more on the field not on paper.
So the 2 games Kolb played and put up numbers, you watched the entire games? Did you see he put up 3 int's, and 2 returned for td's, in one of those games. To talk about 'earned' as you do with our guys, then jump on Kolb's jock, he hasn't proved much either.
With that said, if I'm a homer, your a homo-homer; defined as a fan who loves his team, but quick to be over-anal about the big picture. Willing to give other teams over-rated props, because they allow ESPN to be their 'sports bible'. Never see's the little successes with his/her own team that leads to big consistent success.
Again, about our top 5 wr's, put them on any of the the best 5 o-line and good quarterback(not even great) group, they all would be scattered throughout fantasy football player's rosters!!
AND to tell you the truth I'd wish we all would remove ourselves from stats and rankings. We are not going to be a pretty team. Do you think New England could give a flying f**k about stats, but the over-rated the Colts and Saints do and will not win another super-bowl for another 20 years.