What would you want (only two scenarios)

Originally posted by HaiGuise:
A.
B.

Being the greedy SOB that I am, damn your scenario, I pick C both. Oh wait we were talking about smith?

This thread is ridiculous! Since when has ANY player been more important than the team??

Anyone who votes for A) should seriously look into re-evaluating their man-crush on Mr. Long Lashes!

Originally posted by JC49:

Originally posted by HaiGuise:
A.
B.

B

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
This thread is ridiculous! Since when has ANY player been more important than the team??

Anyone who votes for A) should seriously look into re-evaluating their man-crush on Mr. Long Lashes!

The Kardashian sisters make it a litle better.

Originally posted by ramanz16:
Who in their right mind would vote A???

I did, WTH you gonna do about it.

Don't get miffed with Ceadar I tied him up and put him in a closet.

He wouldn't let me use his computer so I had to put him in time out mode. Can't win with a me first guy. Can't do it.

Can't coach a me first guy. Can't do it.

I would rather surf the internet with 10 guys if I knew that the 11th guy was not on board. Can't do eleven if that one guy is thinking about himself.

Now 8-8. 8-8 is fine because then I don't have to hear you whiney babies moaning about Alex anymore. Why? Because his stats will be so far out of this world next season only the Lord above could do better. Can I get a witness?

Okay now I'm off but I don't want to hear any more whining about Alex. Or I'll be over to some other lucky fan's house and put him on a time out too.

~Ceadar

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.

This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.

Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).

Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.

I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.

The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.

Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.

Dude why is everyone in love with Nate Davis.. HE HASNT PROVED ANYTHING AND HE WILL MOST LIKELY NOT

How do you suggest he proves himself? They haven't given him a chance to do anything. Ability-wise, we don't have a better QB. He showed more promise in the preseason than Alex Smith EVER did. Alex couldn't even shine against 3rd stringers, so the argument of "it was only against 3rd stringers" really doesn't even matter. He has talent. That's why people like him. If you want to question the love for Nate Davis, why is it not acceptable to question the love for Alex Smith? In reality, Alex has NEVER DONE ANYTHING EITHER. A mediocre season in which we failed to make the playoffs for the 7th straight year isn't an accomplishment. Sorry.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.

This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.

Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).

Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.

I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.

The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.

Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.

Ahh but logic says if Smith blows up this next year, it is highly likely that success would continue.

For the sake of argument, how many defensive teams remain yearly contenders? Now go and compare that to teams with a highly productive QB.

Just because you assumed that the scenarios presented meant only one spectacular season for Smith is your fault. Also clearly present's your bias against Smith, so your debate would be worthless, cause you have already proven to not have an open mind. You can't debate a person who already has their mind made up. Well you can, but what's the point?

You're fool if you think a big season from a QB automatically means sustained success. Ever heard of Matt Cassell? And you're seriously going to try to tell ME how I feel about Alex Smith? Get the f*ck out of here. I hope he succeeds, because the reality is a monster season from a QB with a defense like ours will all but guarantee a playoff run. BUT, the two scenarios presented do not offer room for such logic. Get it?

By the way, it's funny how whenever anyone has an open mind and is willing to accept the fact that our beloved number one overall pick has issues that need to be fixed, we get labeled Smith haters with closed minds. What a joke.

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.

This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.

Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).

Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.

I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.

The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.

Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.

All right now we are talking. I agree with you about Smith's having one good year and not meaning anything for the future which also holds true for us going 11-5 and making the playoffs. With a bad QB we could go back to worse than we are now since we don't yet know what we have in Davis.
I'm aware my argument was flawed, the original options just left so much open for just these kinds of questions that I was playing devil's advocate. If Smith did have such a year I believe that it would be unlikely we would go 8-8 unless Willis, Gore, and a few more starters went down.
I just have been a 49 fan for so long and suffered thru the years before 1980
that I don't believe in one year success. It would have been better if I had said that but I was just having some fun.
I don't care what Smiths #'s are or if he is even our QB as long as we win long term and just not 1 season.

It's all good, man. Everyone sees things differently and my views are based solely on the direct options given: playoffs or no playoffs. I found it difficult to believe anyone would actually choose the "no playoffs" option as a fan of this team. We all come from didn't perspectives.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.

This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.

Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).

Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.

I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.

The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.

Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.

All right now we are talking. I agree with you about Smith's having one good year and not meaning anything for the future which also holds true for us going 11-5 and making the playoffs. With a bad QB we could go back to worse than we are now since we don't yet know what we have in Davis.
I'm aware my argument was flawed, the original options just left so much open for just these kinds of questions that I was playing devil's advocate. If Smith did have such a year I believe that it would be unlikely we would go 8-8 unless Willis, Gore, and a few more starters went down.
I just have been a 49 fan for so long and suffered thru the years before 1980
that I don't believe in one year success. It would have been better if I had said that but I was just having some fun.
I don't care what Smiths #'s are or if he is even our QB as long as we win long term and just not 1 season.

It's all good, man. Everyone sees things differently and my views are based solely on the direct options given: playoffs or no playoffs. I found it difficult to believe anyone would actually choose the "no playoffs" option as a fan of this team. We all come from didn't perspectives.

Sorry, I meant DIFFERENT perspectives. I hate typing on an iPhone! And it won't let me edit the post for some reason.

What about "C"???


We draft Clausen and he starts midway through the season...lol

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Anyone who chose A is a headcase!!

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.

This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.

Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).

Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.

I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.

The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.

Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.

Ahh but logic says if Smith blows up this next year, it is highly likely that success would continue.

For the sake of argument, how many defensive teams remain yearly contenders? Now go and compare that to teams with a highly productive QB.

Just because you assumed that the scenarios presented meant only one spectacular season for Smith is your fault. Also clearly present's your bias against Smith, so your debate would be worthless, cause you have already proven to not have an open mind. You can't debate a person who already has their mind made up. Well you can, but what's the point?

You're fool if you think a big season from a QB automatically means sustained success. Ever heard of Matt Cassell? And you're seriously going to try to tell ME how I feel about Alex Smith? Get the f*ck out of here. I hope he succeeds, because the reality is a monster season from a QB with a defense like ours will all but guarantee a playoff run. BUT, the two scenarios presented do not offer room for such logic. Get it?

By the way, it's funny how whenever anyone has an open mind and is willing to accept the fact that our beloved number one overall pick has issues that need to be fixed, we get labeled Smith haters with closed minds. What a joke.

"Sure ill debate you, then i'll insult you and swear at you as a means to do so."

What ever dude. You pulled out one QB who had a big year on one of the best teams in the nfl and then not so much the next on one of the worst teams in the nfl....lol nice debate......Re-read what you posted about Cassell and then maybe rethink that as a supporting argument.

Ill go ahead and give you one. Derek Anderson I guess had a blow up year and then failed to continue to perform. Having said that though, MOST young QB's who progress to a wildly successful season continue to be highly productive throughout their careers. You can not argue that, because history proves it.

By the way I am not an Alex Smith guy, nor do I care about your allegiances. Nice assumption. I simply stated you can not debate a man who already has his mind made up, which you clearly do.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Born49R:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.

This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.

Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).

Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.

I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.

The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.

Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.

Ahh but logic says if Smith blows up this next year, it is highly likely that success would continue.

For the sake of argument, how many defensive teams remain yearly contenders? Now go and compare that to teams with a highly productive QB.

Just because you assumed that the scenarios presented meant only one spectacular season for Smith is your fault. Also clearly present's your bias against Smith, so your debate would be worthless, cause you have already proven to not have an open mind. You can't debate a person who already has their mind made up. Well you can, but what's the point?

You're fool if you think a big season from a QB automatically means sustained success. Ever heard of Matt Cassell? And you're seriously going to try to tell ME how I feel about Alex Smith? Get the f*ck out of here. I hope he succeeds, because the reality is a monster season from a QB with a defense like ours will all but guarantee a playoff run. BUT, the two scenarios presented do not offer room for such logic. Get it?

By the way, it's funny how whenever anyone has an open mind and is willing to accept the fact that our beloved number one overall pick has issues that need to be fixed, we get labeled Smith haters with closed minds. What a joke.

Argument can be made that Cassell is an example of how football is the ultimate team game. Put the Patriots around him and he looks pretty damn good. Surround him with the Chiefs and it is a different story. Cutler is another good example. Smith is about to get the best supporting cast he has ever had around him. Just as important there is finally going to be a season with some continuity. Solidify the line through the draft and there can be no excuses for lack of production with the offensive talent the Niners will put on the field next season (I really think Ginn is going to open up things for Crabtree and Davis in a major way). Before last season, this team has not had a roster that had any legitimate shot at making a real playoff run since Garcia and TO. Even if the Niners had found a way in last season it is doubtful they would have gone very far. There were a lot of issues on the 2009 squad besides QB.

Personally I think that after not playing for 2 years and not getting the first team reps in camp and then coming in after 6 games and throwing 18 touchdowns to 10 interceptions showed some promise. You don't agree: that's fine. If Alex disappoints this year that is it. But he is the starter regardless of how any of us feel. Every report you hear about Davis is that he is nowhere near ready. Maybe next year but it doesn't look like it's going to be this year. He probably has little chance of being the #2 this year.

I'd be interested: what issues does Alex need to fix in order to be able to bank on him in the future? You say he needs to fix some things which implys that there is a chance he hasn't hit his ceiling yet. If you had said that he couldn't fix those then that would suggest he has. I agree with you, Alex could definately get better at some vital things. But I admit I'm one of those "lovers" who thinks he will. But, again, I would love to hear what you think he has to fix?

B = Success, but with lack of stability with QB. Not quite that easy to remedy.

A = Solidified QB with success, what were the parameters for our 8-8 record? Poor back field play, lackluster field special teams play? Whatever choice, it's going to be easier to remedy than finding a franchise QB.

Long term I think B is a much better idea. We're not going far into the playoffs without solid QB play. I could care less about one playoff appearance above finding true success at QB.

Originally posted by IDontGetNaked:
B = Success, but with lack of stability with QB. Not quite that easy to remedy.

A = Solidified QB with success, what were the parameters for our 8-8 record? Poor back field play, lackluster field special teams play? Whatever choice, it's going to be easier to remedy than finding a franchise QB.

Long term I think B is a much better idea. We're not going far into the playoffs without solid QB play. I could care less about one playoff appearance above finding true success at QB.

Exactly my feelings