Originally posted by WINiner:Originally posted by 49erRider:Originally posted by WINiner:Originally posted by 49erRider:Originally posted by Born49R:Originally posted by 49erRider:Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
A: Alex Smith has a breakout year with ridiculous stats but the Niner's go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.
B: Niners go 11-5 and make the playoffs but Alex Smith shows no signs of improvement over last year and has a mediocre season at the QB position.
This is a dumb question. Who the hell would want option A? The goal is to make the playoffs, not to make Smith look good. Chances are, though, if Smith had such a big season, we WOULD make the playoffs and would have a much better record than 8-8. But just going by your scenario, anybody wanting option A is an idiot.
Option B is realistic and will likely be exactly what happens this season (besides the 11-5 record, as we will likely be 9-7 or 10-6).
Thank you for calling me an idiot instead of disagreeing with my argument. I love it when zoners show their inability to argue logically and instead resort to name calling.
I realized that was a bit harsh and edited the post to exclude any insults before you posted. Check the times. On top of that, I didn't even read your post, so I wasn't aware you were arguing for option A. If I was, I would have called you out directly. If you want to get into a real debate, we can do that.
The two scenarios presented mention nothing of sustained success for Alex Smith if he has a monster season this year. Get that argument off the table. The question is whether you'd like to see Smith light it up and MISS THE PLAYOFFS, or actually do what we're supposed to be trying to do every year and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. If you'd rather miss the playoffs just to see big numbers from Smith, I can do nothing but question your true status as a 49ERS FAN.
Keep in mind a monster year (numbers-wise) from any QB DOES NOT guarantee sustained success. That was not mentioned in the two scenarios, therefor it should have no bearing on this debate. What you implied was that a big year from Smith will mean we have our franchise QB, which is not true. I get your argument, it's just not a good one. Drafting later in the draft doesn't mean we won't find a franchise QB. There's also trades that can be made. On top of that, we may have what we're looking for in Nate Davis.
Ahh but logic says if Smith blows up this next year, it is highly likely that success would continue.
For the sake of argument, how many defensive teams remain yearly contenders? Now go and compare that to teams with a highly productive QB.
Just because you assumed that the scenarios presented meant only one spectacular season for Smith is your fault. Also clearly present's your bias against Smith, so your debate would be worthless, cause you have already proven to not have an open mind. You can't debate a person who already has their mind made up. Well you can, but what's the point?
You're fool if you think a big season from a QB automatically means sustained success. Ever heard of Matt Cassell? And you're seriously going to try to tell ME how I feel about Alex Smith? Get the f*ck out of here. I hope he succeeds, because the reality is a monster season from a QB with a defense like ours will all but guarantee a playoff run. BUT, the two scenarios presented do not offer room for such logic. Get it?
By the way, it's funny how whenever anyone has an open mind and is willing to accept the fact that our beloved number one overall pick has issues that need to be fixed, we get labeled Smith haters with closed minds. What a joke.
"Sure ill debate you, then i'll insult you and swear at you as a means to do so."
What ever dude. You pulled out one QB who had a big year on one of the best teams in the nfl and then not so much the next on one of the worst teams in the nfl....lol nice debate......Re-read what you posted about Cassell and then maybe rethink that as a supporting argument.
Ill go ahead and give you one. Derek Anderson I guess had a blow up year and then failed to continue to perform. Having said that though, MOST young QB's who progress to a wildly successful season continue to be highly productive throughout their careers. You can not argue that, because history proves it.
By the way I am not an Alex Smith guy, nor do I care about your allegiances. Nice assumption. I simply stated you can not debate a man who already has his mind made up, which you clearly do.
Nice little opening statement, which, of course, was supposed to be your interpretation of my post. If you're insulted by the truth, so be it. You ARE a fool if you think any sort of success translates into automatic sustained success. I gave you one name because it was the first one that came to my head. I don't care to give a number of examples because it's not even necessary. I didn't even have to give ONE example.
The fact of the matter is we're discussing two different things. You're basing your opinion on the assumption of one big year meaning continued productivity, while I'm answering the poll in it's literal form. Smith hypothetically becoming a franchise QB after the one big season was not included in the original options. You guys came up with that on your own.
I'm saying that making the playoffs is more important than Alex Smith having a big year.
By the way, if you want to talk about insulting people, think about the fact that YOU telling ME how I feel is an insult in itself.
