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Originally posted by darkknight49:
We had 24 sacks against the Rams, Cardinals, and Lions. We need more sacks against the good teams.

Correction: Jaguars, not lions.

Ugh...not again.

Okay let me edumacate you!

Who was the best pass rushing in team in 09? Steelers. Let's look at the consistent pass rush of the Steelers that dominated every game with it's pass rush.

Titans= 1 Sack
Bengals= 1 Sack
Oak= 1 Sack
Cleveland= 1 Sack
GB= 1 Sack

Lions= 7 Sacks
Chiefs=5 Sacks
Ravens=5 Sacks
Raves(2nd time)= 4 Sacks

link.

Fluke right? Well lets take a look at the #2 team with the most sacks last year (Vikings).

49ers=1 Sack
AZ= 0 Sacks
Bengals=1 Sack
Panthers=1 Sack



Cleveland= 5 Sacks
Packers=9 Sacks
Steelers=4 Sacks
GB=6 Sacks
Bears= 4 Sacks

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So no I don't buy the myth that you get sacks/pressure every game, not even the best teams do it, this is not Madden, this is the NFL.

and this has already been debated and /closed.
I'm in the camp that is happy with the guys and system we have. The defense is consistently showing the improvement expected out of the talent and continuity it is enjoying. We don't need a wunderkind in the pass rush. We need the guys we have to continue gelling and improving. I bet AB gets double digits this year if he is a full time guy. If not if the team stays good than fine. It would be nice to see us improve the secondary slightly but I don't see any immediate upgrades coming this season. I do expect Goldson to be a much improved player with a full year under his belt. I would LOVE to see Cam Chancellor drafted as the SS but I don't think he would be "allowed" to push into the starting lineup even if we drafted him. If Spencer remains solid and Clements stays healthy I think our CB's are in good position too. Dre Bly is an excellent nickel man. They should be better this year as well.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
We had 24 sacks against the Rams, Cardinals, and Lions. We need more sacks against the good teams.

Correction: Jaguars, not lions.

Ugh...not again.

Okay let me edumacate you!

Who was the best pass rushing in team in 09? Steelers. Let's look at the consistent pass rush of the Steelers that dominated every game with it's pass rush.

Titans= 1 Sack
Bengals= 1 Sack
Oak= 1 Sack
Cleveland= 1 Sack
GB= 1 Sack

Lions= 7 Sacks
Chiefs=5 Sacks
Ravens=5 Sacks
Raves(2nd time)= 4 Sacks

link.

Fluke right? Well lets take a look at the #2 team with the most sacks last year (Vikings).

49ers=1 Sack
AZ= 0 Sacks
Bengals=1 Sack
Panthers=1 Sack



Cleveland= 5 Sacks
Packers=9 Sacks
Steelers=4 Sacks
GB=6 Sacks
Bears= 4 Sacks

link

So no I don't buy the myth that you get sacks/pressure every game, not even the best teams do it, this is not Madden, this is the NFL.

and this has already been debated and /closed.

ok, let me rephrase: we need more pressure against good teams. Sacs are a bit overrated anyway. The colts game the niners got 3 sacks which was good but they were also in Manning's face a good bit. He still threw for a bunch of yards but was never on point.

and i never mentioned anything about the steelers pass rush or the vikings nor anything about getting sacks/pressure every game. the problem with the niners pass rush is that they need to get it against good teams a the right times. thats whats been missing (remember brett favre?)
[ Edited by darkknight49 on Mar 16, 2010 at 10:01 AM ]
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
We had 24 sacks against the Rams, Cardinals, and Lions. We need more sacks against the good teams.

Correction: Jaguars, not lions.

Ugh...not again.

Okay let me edumacate you!

Who was the best pass rushing in team in 09? Steelers. Let's look at the consistent pass rush of the Steelers that dominated every game with it's pass rush.

Titans= 1 Sack
Bengals= 1 Sack
Oak= 1 Sack
Cleveland= 1 Sack
GB= 1 Sack

Lions= 7 Sacks
Chiefs=5 Sacks
Ravens=5 Sacks
Raves(2nd time)= 4 Sacks

link.

Fluke right? Well lets take a look at the #2 team with the most sacks last year (Vikings).

49ers=1 Sack
AZ= 0 Sacks
Bengals=1 Sack
Panthers=1 Sack



Cleveland= 5 Sacks
Packers=9 Sacks
Steelers=4 Sacks
GB=6 Sacks
Bears= 4 Sacks

link

So no I don't buy the myth that you get sacks/pressure every game, not even the best teams do it, this is not Madden, this is the NFL.

and this has already been debated and /closed.

WIN. Well done, sir.

We could have 60 sacks and some people would be b***hing that we did not have a pass rush.

We had pretty consistent PRESSURE last year which sometimes manifested as sacks.
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
We had 24 sacks against the Rams, Cardinals, and Lions. We need more sacks against the good teams.

Correction: Jaguars, not lions.

Ugh...not again.

Okay let me edumacate you!

Who was the best pass rushing in team in 09? Steelers. Let's look at the consistent pass rush of the Steelers that dominated every game with it's pass rush.

Titans= 1 Sack
Bengals= 1 Sack
Oak= 1 Sack
Cleveland= 1 Sack
GB= 1 Sack

Lions= 7 Sacks
Chiefs=5 Sacks
Ravens=5 Sacks
Raves(2nd time)= 4 Sacks

link.

Fluke right? Well lets take a look at the #2 team with the most sacks last year (Vikings).

49ers=1 Sack
AZ= 0 Sacks
Bengals=1 Sack
Panthers=1 Sack



Cleveland= 5 Sacks
Packers=9 Sacks
Steelers=4 Sacks
GB=6 Sacks
Bears= 4 Sacks

link

So no I don't buy the myth that you get sacks/pressure every game, not even the best teams do it, this is not Madden, this is the NFL.

and this has already been debated and /closed.

ok, let me rephrase: we need more pressure against good teams. Sacs are a bit overrated anyway. The colts game the niners got 3 sacks which was good but they were also in Manning's face a good bit. He still threw for a bunch of yards but was never on point.

and i never mentioned anything about the steelers pass rush or the vikings nor anything about getting sacks/pressure every game. the problem with the niners pass rush is that they need to get it against good teams a the right times. thats whats been missing (remember brett favre?)

And neither did the Steelers, nor the Vikings (see playoffs). The same way you can take away a great RB, or a great WR from a game, is the same way you can take away a pass rush.

What do you mean remmeber Favre? We had 6 QB hits that game, 2 Sacks...and he was two inches away from getting sacked to end the game.
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[ Edited by TheG0RE49er on Mar 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM ]
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
I have been anoyed with the ignorance of people on this website too.
we have a great pass rush people just want to see a stud with 15 sacks a season.

We need consistent pressure which we do not generate. I mean didnt we get like 9 sacks in one game and like 7 in another? We disapeard in some games and had zero pressue even while blitzing.
Originally posted by VA49er:
I'm in the camp that is happy with the guys and system we have. The defense is consistently showing the improvement expected out of the talent and continuity it is enjoying. We don't need a wunderkind in the pass rush. We need the guys we have to continue gelling and improving. I bet AB gets double digits this year if he is a full time guy. If not if the team stays good than fine. It would be nice to see us improve the secondary slightly but I don't see any immediate upgrades coming this season. I do expect Goldson to be a much improved player with a full year under his belt. I would LOVE to see Cam Chancellor drafted as the SS but I don't think he would be "allowed" to push into the starting lineup even if we drafted him. If Spencer remains solid and Clements stays healthy I think our CB's are in good position too. Dre Bly is an excellent nickel man. They should be better this year as well.

I somewhat agree in that sacks in the 3-4 should come from everywhere. That said, that's WITH at least one of your OLB's being a dominant sack-master. I outlined last year that the mass majority of the sacks on successful 3-4 defenses in fact, does come from the OLB's. That's not the case for us. Keep in mind too that the 3-4 is designed to be a physical and dictating defense. We are a defense that tends to rely more on superior secondary and coverage and is designed to bend-but-don't-break. I think once we get a great coverage safety, better play from the secondary in general esp. on 3rd downs, perhaps Manusky will start moving his OLB's AND ILB's around and start attacking o-line weaknesses and dictating offenses! Right now, he's stuck in rarely using the ILB's to blitz (even though we've had much success there) and using his OLB's as psuedo DE's every single time.

Manusky will need to adopt a Jets, Chargers, Pats & Steelers type of mentality if we want to take things to the next level.

We'll need to hope Brooks grows into a starter, we draft a big, dominant NT to learn from Franklin (and help in short yardage and goal-line plays), find a FT pass rusher at the SAM position, aquire a coverage safety and then scheme up the CB's to play to their strengths (Spencer and Clements playing "fysical" AT the LOS - not 20 yards off on 3rd and 5).

Manusky still has plenty of room to grow and perhps with a few more 3-4 weapons, he'll be more confident to adopt a more dictating 3-4!
TOP 5 in sacks last year. Change the title of the thread to say: I wish we had one elite pass rusher getting all of our sacks.
Originally posted by Youngone:
TOP 5 in sacks last year. Change the title of the thread to say: I wish we had one elite pass rusher getting all of our sacks.

You, my friend, have missed the boat!
3s the charm- watch the D eat qbs in 2010
Frequently, opposing qb's had YEARS to make throws against our battered secondary. I remember yelling, and then subsequently staring dejectedly at the television screen on far too many occasions when a QB could make as many reads as he wanted on a third-and-long.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
We had 24 sacks against the Rams, Cardinals, and Lions. We need more sacks against the good teams.

Correction: Jaguars, not lions.

Ugh...not again.

Okay let me edumacate you!

Who was the best pass rushing in team in 09? Steelers. Let's look at the consistent pass rush of the Steelers that dominated every game with it's pass rush.

Titans= 1 Sack
Bengals= 1 Sack
Oak= 1 Sack
Cleveland= 1 Sack
GB= 1 Sack

Lions= 7 Sacks
Chiefs=5 Sacks
Ravens=5 Sacks
Raves(2nd time)= 4 Sacks

link.

Fluke right? Well lets take a look at the #2 team with the most sacks last year (Vikings).

49ers=1 Sack
AZ= 0 Sacks
Bengals=1 Sack
Panthers=1 Sack



Cleveland= 5 Sacks
Packers=9 Sacks
Steelers=4 Sacks
GB=6 Sacks
Bears= 4 Sacks

link

So no I don't buy the myth that you get sacks/pressure every game, not even the best teams do it, this is not Madden, this is the NFL.

and this has already been debated and /closed.

Good post man, we have some posters here ignorant of reality.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
We had 24 sacks against the Rams, Cardinals, and Lions. We need more sacks against the good teams.

Correction: Jaguars, not lions.

Ugh...not again.

Okay let me edumacate you!

Who was the best pass rushing in team in 09? Steelers. Let's look at the consistent pass rush of the Steelers that dominated every game with it's pass rush.

Titans= 1 Sack
Bengals= 1 Sack
Oak= 1 Sack
Cleveland= 1 Sack
GB= 1 Sack

Lions= 7 Sacks
Chiefs=5 Sacks
Ravens=5 Sacks
Raves(2nd time)= 4 Sacks

link.

Fluke right? Well lets take a look at the #2 team with the most sacks last year (Vikings).

49ers=1 Sack
AZ= 0 Sacks
Bengals=1 Sack
Panthers=1 Sack



Cleveland= 5 Sacks
Packers=9 Sacks
Steelers=4 Sacks
GB=6 Sacks
Bears= 4 Sacks

link

So no I don't buy the myth that you get sacks/pressure every game, not even the best teams do it, this is not Madden, this is the NFL.

and this has already been debated and /closed.

Good post man, we have some posters here ignorant of reality.
  • TX9R
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I can't beleive people think we had a good pass rush last year. We got numbers because we play in the worst division in football, maybe ever. Getting 6 sacks one game and not even a pressure the next is not consistent. We definately need to add a pass rusher or two if we want a consistent pass rush. All the numbers in the world can't cancel out what I saw with my own eyes over 16 games.
[ Edited by TX9R on Mar 16, 2010 at 12:52 PM ]
ohh the ignorance!!

We can NEVER have too many pass rushers! NEVER! It's the most important position on the defense. With that said, the 49ers don't have a "great" pass rush...not even close. Ours is mediocre....better than before? definitely....but still very average.
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