Super Bowl 44 Myth Buster

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by danimal:
And Peyton is far too cerebral. Montana's instincts were a huge part of his game.

I have the utmost respect for Peytons audibling skills, but I have nothing but contempt for how heavily he relies on it. At some point you just have to play a little more naturally if you want anyone to take you seriously as the best ever

This seriously might be the dumbest statement I have ever read in here.

Then it should have been easy for you to expand a bit.

I wish I knew what that meant. I just think its hillarious that you have all this respect for Mannings ability to audible but contempt that he uses it when he deems necessary. How would he play "naturally"? Would that be by going with the plays called in the huddle? Wait.. there arent any huddles for the Colts. I am just so confused what makes Manning unnatural. I'm not sure there is anyone that doesnt take him seriously. Well that is besides you of course.

It means when something qualifies as "dumbest statement you ever read" you should be able to and willing to breakdown exactly what makes it so dumb. Instead you chose to pull the drive by post so popular on the zone and very classless.

Then, when I finally get you to expand, and you realize the statement wasn't THAT dumb, well now you gotta make s**t up.

My words

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I have the utmost respect for Peytons audibling skills, but I have nothing but contempt for how heavily he relies on it.

You began to quote me, but then ended on your own words, how convenient

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respect for Mannings ability to audible but contempt that he uses it when he deems necessary.

If you didn't understand what the word "relies" means you could have just asked.

Oh no. I realize even more how dumb the comment is. You dont think that Manning can be taken seriously as the best ever until he plays more naturally. That is f**king hillarious. This for the guy who has been the league MVP several times, a SB MVP, and an incredible team leader. SERIOUSLY??????????? You REALLY think that or are you just trying to somehow defend a silly comment that you didnt think through when you made it.

Man you just keep digging your hole don't ya. Perhaps you should take your own advice about thinking through what you type.

Yes, I said Manning cannot be taken seriously as the best ever. You sure you want to argue that point by bringing up Mannings MVP's???? Because you do realize I never said that Manning can't be known as the best of his era, you get that right. So I am not sure what his MVP's are suppose to prove as Montana was ineligible to be voted for on those

Anyone who thinks that Manning cant be taken seriously as the best ever because he isnt natural and is too cerebral cant be taken seriously. Its just a ridiculous statement.

Cant be taken seriously. These are your words. If you had said that in your opinion Manning isnt at Montana's level because he didnt execute as well in SuperBowls I could respect that. However, you didnt. You chose to use some crazy belief that Manning isnt natural enough to be considered.

Tell you what. Ask everyone in here what they think. Put up a poll and see if they agree with your assessment. Not just who is the best because obviously 90% in here will put Joe. No.. ask if Mannings cerebral method on the field is keeping him from being the GOAT. Otherwise, I am done with this ridiculous back and forth.

NinerJohn,

its the internet man, stop pretending like you can translate all posts and stop getting caught up on any single word so much. You don't hear my tone.

Personally Peyton is in my top 5 and I fully expect him to be in my top 3 by the time he retires. But I will say again, I can't take Peyton seriously to overthrow Montana when in every losing playoff game I have ever seen Peyton in, no matter how bad things are going and how much time is running out he can never get out of the methodical mode and get into a hut hut hike throw, hut hit hike throw.

This is going to be the last time I explain it, people will just have to figure it out themselves. All that analysis that Peyton does is wonderful, but sometimes it seems like that is all he can do......game rhythm gets completely lost with Peyton at times. He is the opposite of Montana's and Brady's who seem to have more of a feeling for the moment

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I do not think any QB will ever post the record in the SB that Joe did. Joe did have a little help though.

Joe had the BEST!...Bill Walsh

hopefully we fans will keep this wonderful debate going at least to the combines!! lol

Here's a NFL link to this years stats with Brees and Peyton. My conclusion?
Based on stats and ONLY stats I think the Colts could have reached the Super Bowl with Brees, and the Saints the Super Bowl with Manning.

Of course stats don't cover everything I know! But those who keep implying Manning has to do everything for the Colts to win one game forget the 49er game, forget Dwight Freeney, forget Robert Mathis etc. Colts sent 5 starters & 2 reserves to 2010 Pro Bowl, not too shabby I say.

Go Niners 2010!!

http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?player1=BRE229498&player2=MAN515097&player3=null&player4=null&position=quarterback&playerOne=Drew+Brees&playerTwo=Peyton+Manning&playerThree=Select+a+Player...&playerFour=Select+a+Player...

Originally posted by danimal:
NinerJohn,

its the internet man, stop pretending like you can translate all posts and stop getting caught up on any single word so much. You don't hear my tone.

Personally Peyton is in my top 5 and I fully expect him to be in my top 3 by the time he retires. But I will say again, I can't take Peyton seriously to overthrow Montana when in every losing playoff game I have ever seen Peyton in, no matter how bad things are going and how much time is running out he can never get out of the methodical mode and get into a hut hut hike throw, hut hit hike throw.

This is going to be the last time I explain it, people will just have to figure it out themselves. All that analysis that Peyton does is wonderful, but sometimes it seems like that is all he can do......game rhythm gets completely lost with Peyton at times. He is the opposite of Montana's and Brady's who seem to have more of a feeling for the moment

This season he engineered drives at the end of the first half that produced 77 points -- as many as Buffalo, Cleveland or St. Louis, scored in any quarter all season. He had a league record seven fourth quarter comebacks.

Against New England in the fourth: Lead them on a TD drive with 02:23 remaining and another with 00:13 remaining.

Against the Jets in the playoffs, in the final two minutes of the half 18 yard pass to Austin Collie, pass to Collie for 46 yards, 16-yard pass to Collie for a TD.

Against the Ravens, at the end of the first half, 10 yd TD pass to Collie with 2:00 minutes remaining and then a 3 yd TD pass to Wayne with three seconds remaining (that's two TDs in the final two minutes).

I am confused by the Super Bowl in that the Colts didn't even try to get a first down in their final possession of the half. Never seen that from them before. The end of the fourth, Wayne let a pass go through his hands at the goal line, and the Colts still had plenty of time outs left. True, if that had been a catch and a TD, they would still either need to recover an onside kick, or have a huge defensive stand, but he got them there with timeouts remaining, allowing them at least the hope if Wayne had made the catch.

I just don't see the inefficiency and inability to get down the field in a two minute drill that you are talking about. I don't think I've ever seen anybody run it better so consistently than the Colts run it.

And I'm still confused about him doing too much. You say that all he does gives them a huge advantage, but then say that if he didn't, they could possibly be even better. Those are pretty contradictory thoughts.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Super Bowl victories are only a partial measure of how good a quarterback is. Joe had JUST A LITTLE bit of help. This Colts team may not even be a playoff team without Manning. Can't say the same about the Niners of the 80's that had a metric ton of talent.

Again, you younger fans forget about the 81 and 84 teams. The 81 team wasn't all that talented at all relative to the later teams of the 80s and 90s (and most teams of today). Can we please stop saying "those teams had a metric ton of talent" because they didn't always have that. 84 guys were just awesome in implementing the Walsh system (on offense). If anything, the 84 team's defense was just incredible.

Also relative to the 49er success, it was no walk in the park to get past the NFC Championship game. Back in those times, that game was considered the "real" Super Bowl. The only 2 blow-out Super Bowls the 49ers had was 1984 and 1989. The Super Bowl against the Bengals was a nail-biter and wasn't a walk in the park at all.

And that's the difference between 4 Super Bowls and 1. Have the Colts ever had a defense that you could describe as "just incredible", as you did with the '84 Niners? Definitely not. Even in the '88 Super Bowl, we had 6 points at the beginning of the 4th quarter, but we were still in the game due to our defense shutting down the NFL MVP (Esiason) and an excellent two-pronged running attack in Woods/Brooks. And even then, we were a Lewis Billups drop away from that game turning out very differently.

Do you think a Manning led team has ever had the luxury of still being in a playoff game after scoring 6 points through 3 quarters?

Also bear in mind that Manning now has the same SB record as Johnny Unitas . . . not bad company.