George Seifert

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Spot on target..

Agree, nice post

So many HoFplayers? By my count he had 4. Including Rice who WILL be inducted this Summer.

If Holmgren is inducted(and he will be for taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and having a solid coaching record, then Seifert definitely belongs.

Seifert is FIVE and Oh as a Coach. TWO and Oh as a HC.

I find it ludicrous that people say "he coasted and you couldn't fail with the team that he was given the keys to" like he was never a part of that process to begin with. Barry FREAKIN Switzer played NO part in the Cowboys Dynasty building process. He was GIVEN that team. Brought up from the College Ranks because he was one of the better coaches there. And the man is 1-1.

George put his stamp on the Bill Walsh dynasty built 49ers right from the 1st day he was a part of it. I bet if you polled every player he ever coached they'd to a man say he deserves the recognition and the honor of induction. Including STEVE who wanted to throttle the man.

George kept us in it BECAUSE he was a Defensive minded Coach. Because on the Sidelines he could SEE what scheme could stop the Opposing Offense. He sucked as an Offensive mind but Defensively there was NOBODY better imho, as a HC during that time.

Superstitious as hell too. Always had his lifesavers and walked around the field emblems every time he took the field at the Stick. Only reason he left was cause we couldn't get past the Cowpatties. That's it.

~Ceadder

Thought it was the Packers he couldn't get past, I remember him coaching the superbowl Niners that beat the Cowboys.

Anywayz Seifert was bless with a talent team that had a great staff and an innovative offense but he still needs to be given credit for coaching them.

Is he the best ever? No that is Walsh
Is he HoF worthy? Yea 2 Superbowl wins
and y some of the spewing on his name, yea he didnt do well in Carolina, but the man was the Head Coach of a superbowl winning 49ers team, thats like a pass for anything negative in Ninerland

You're thinking of Mooch. Not Seifert. Seifert couldn't get past the Cowboys until '94.

Mooch couldn't get past the Packers two straight after he was brought in in '96 and '97. '98 he finally got past them.

Now I'm just working from the top of my pointed head here but I don't see how you could mistake the Cowboys for the Packers. Two entirely different locations and uniforms.

Oh and he couldn't bring us back against Switzers Cowboys. Mooch took over from there.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Spot on target..

Agree, nice post

So many HoFplayers? By my count he had 4. Including Rice who WILL be inducted this Summer.

If Holmgren is inducted(and he will be for taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and having a solid coaching record, then Seifert definitely belongs.

Seifert is FIVE and Oh as a Coach. TWO and Oh as a HC.

I find it ludicrous that people say "he coasted and you couldn't fail with the team that he was given the keys to" like he was never a part of that process to begin with. Barry FREAKIN Switzer played NO part in the Cowboys Dynasty building process. He was GIVEN that team. Brought up from the College Ranks because he was one of the better coaches there. And the man is 1-1.

George put his stamp on the Bill Walsh dynasty built 49ers right from the 1st day he was a part of it. I bet if you polled every player he ever coached they'd to a man say he deserves the recognition and the honor of induction. Including STEVE who wanted to throttle the man.

George kept us in it BECAUSE he was a Defensive minded Coach. Because on the Sidelines he could SEE what scheme could stop the Opposing Offense. He sucked as an Offensive mind but Defensively there was NOBODY better imho, as a HC during that time.

Superstitious as hell too. Always had his lifesavers and walked around the field emblems every time he took the field at the Stick. Only reason he left was cause we couldn't get past the Cowpatties. That's it.

~Ceadder

Thought it was the Packers he couldn't get past, I remember him coaching the superbowl Niners that beat the Cowboys.

Anywayz Seifert was bless with a talent team that had a great staff and an innovative offense but he still needs to be given credit for coaching them.

Is he the best ever? No that is Walsh
Is he HoF worthy? Yea 2 Superbowl wins
and y some of the spewing on his name, yea he didnt do well in Carolina, but the man was the Head Coach of a superbowl winning 49ers team, thats like a pass for anything negative in Ninerland

You're thinking of Mooch. Not Seifert. Seifert couldn't get past the Cowboys until '94.

Mooch couldn't get past the Packers two straight after he was brought in in '96 and '97. '98 he finally got past them.

Now I'm just working from the top of my pointed head here but I don't see how you could mistake the Cowboys for the Packers. Two entirely different locations and uniforms.

Oh and he couldn't bring us back against Switzers Cowboys. Mooch took over from there.

~Ceadder

Seifert beat Switzers Cowboys I remember that game well, was the one Grbac (sp?) Threw the TD to Rice on the 3rd play from the game, god i loved that.

He lost to the packers in 95 and 96 in the divisional playoffs in which he than retired to come back with the panthers in 99.

Mooch lost in 97 and beat them in 98 and also lost in 2001.

hmm WTF y is this a George Seifert thread this needs to be another I Hate Bret Favre thread

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Spot on target..

Agree, nice post

So many HoFplayers? By my count he had 4. Including Rice who WILL be inducted this Summer.

If Holmgren is inducted(and he will be for taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and having a solid coaching record, then Seifert definitely belongs.

Seifert is FIVE and Oh as a Coach. TWO and Oh as a HC.

I find it ludicrous that people say "he coasted and you couldn't fail with the team that he was given the keys to" like he was never a part of that process to begin with. Barry FREAKIN Switzer played NO part in the Cowboys Dynasty building process. He was GIVEN that team. Brought up from the College Ranks because he was one of the better coaches there. And the man is 1-1.

George put his stamp on the Bill Walsh dynasty built 49ers right from the 1st day he was a part of it. I bet if you polled every player he ever coached they'd to a man say he deserves the recognition and the honor of induction. Including STEVE who wanted to throttle the man.

George kept us in it BECAUSE he was a Defensive minded Coach. Because on the Sidelines he could SEE what scheme could stop the Opposing Offense. He sucked as an Offensive mind but Defensively there was NOBODY better imho, as a HC during that time.

Superstitious as hell too. Always had his lifesavers and walked around the field emblems every time he took the field at the Stick. Only reason he left was cause we couldn't get past the Cowpatties. That's it.

~Ceadder

Thought it was the Packers he couldn't get past, I remember him coaching the superbowl Niners that beat the Cowboys.

Anywayz Seifert was bless with a talent team that had a great staff and an innovative offense but he still needs to be given credit for coaching them.

Is he the best ever? No that is Walsh
Is he HoF worthy? Yea 2 Superbowl wins
and y some of the spewing on his name, yea he didnt do well in Carolina, but the man was the Head Coach of a superbowl winning 49ers team, thats like a pass for anything negative in Ninerland

You're thinking of Mooch. Not Seifert. Seifert couldn't get past the Cowboys until '94.

Mooch couldn't get past the Packers two straight after he was brought in in '96 and '97. '98 he finally got past them.

Now I'm just working from the top of my pointed head here but I don't see how you could mistake the Cowboys for the Packers. Two entirely different locations and uniforms.

Oh and he couldn't bring us back against Switzers Cowboys. Mooch took over from there.

~Ceadder

Seifert beat Switzers Cowboys I remember that game well, was the one Grbac (sp?) Threw the TD to Rice on the 3rd play from the game, god i loved that.

He lost to the packers in 95 and 96 in the divisional playoffs in which he than retired to come back with the panthers in 99.

Mooch lost in 97 and beat them in 98 and also lost in 2001.

hmm WTF y is this a George Seifert thread this needs to be another I Hate Bret Favre thread

That must have been some really good herb.

George Seiferts Coaching Record.

Mooch lost back to back against Holmgren's Packers. Finally beat them in '98.

Dallas has 3 rings from the 90s' correct?

NFL Super Bowl History. Pay attention to '96

So you were saying now?

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Spot on target..

Agree, nice post

So many HoFplayers? By my count he had 4. Including Rice who WILL be inducted this Summer.

If Holmgren is inducted(and he will be for taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and having a solid coaching record, then Seifert definitely belongs.

Seifert is FIVE and Oh as a Coach. TWO and Oh as a HC.

I find it ludicrous that people say "he coasted and you couldn't fail with the team that he was given the keys to" like he was never a part of that process to begin with. Barry FREAKIN Switzer played NO part in the Cowboys Dynasty building process. He was GIVEN that team. Brought up from the College Ranks because he was one of the better coaches there. And the man is 1-1.

George put his stamp on the Bill Walsh dynasty built 49ers right from the 1st day he was a part of it. I bet if you polled every player he ever coached they'd to a man say he deserves the recognition and the honor of induction. Including STEVE who wanted to throttle the man.

George kept us in it BECAUSE he was a Defensive minded Coach. Because on the Sidelines he could SEE what scheme could stop the Opposing Offense. He sucked as an Offensive mind but Defensively there was NOBODY better imho, as a HC during that time.

Superstitious as hell too. Always had his lifesavers and walked around the field emblems every time he took the field at the Stick. Only reason he left was cause we couldn't get past the Cowpatties. That's it.

~Ceadder

Thought it was the Packers he couldn't get past, I remember him coaching the superbowl Niners that beat the Cowboys.

Anywayz Seifert was bless with a talent team that had a great staff and an innovative offense but he still needs to be given credit for coaching them.

Is he the best ever? No that is Walsh
Is he HoF worthy? Yea 2 Superbowl wins
and y some of the spewing on his name, yea he didnt do well in Carolina, but the man was the Head Coach of a superbowl winning 49ers team, thats like a pass for anything negative in Ninerland

You're thinking of Mooch. Not Seifert. Seifert couldn't get past the Cowboys until '94.

Mooch couldn't get past the Packers two straight after he was brought in in '96 and '97. '98 he finally got past them.

Now I'm just working from the top of my pointed head here but I don't see how you could mistake the Cowboys for the Packers. Two entirely different locations and uniforms.

Oh and he couldn't bring us back against Switzers Cowboys. Mooch took over from there.

~Ceadder

Seifert beat Switzers Cowboys I remember that game well, was the one Grbac (sp?) Threw the TD to Rice on the 3rd play from the game, god i loved that.

He lost to the packers in 95 and 96 in the divisional playoffs in which he than retired to come back with the panthers in 99.

Mooch lost in 97 and beat them in 98 and also lost in 2001.

hmm WTF y is this a George Seifert thread this needs to be another I Hate Bret Favre thread

That must have been some really good herb.

George Seiferts Coaching Record.

Mooch lost back to back against Holmgren's Packers. Finally beat them in '98.

Dallas has 3 rings from the 90s' correct?

NFL Super Bowl History. Pay attention to '96

So you were saying now?

~Ceadder

I can link things to

edit
truthfully idk what were arguing about? y seifert retired?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Spot on target..

Agree, nice post

So many HoFplayers? By my count he had 4. Including Rice who WILL be inducted this Summer.

If Holmgren is inducted(and he will be for taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and having a solid coaching record, then Seifert definitely belongs.

Seifert is FIVE and Oh as a Coach. TWO and Oh as a HC.

I find it ludicrous that people say "he coasted and you couldn't fail with the team that he was given the keys to" like he was never a part of that process to begin with. Barry FREAKIN Switzer played NO part in the Cowboys Dynasty building process. He was GIVEN that team. Brought up from the College Ranks because he was one of the better coaches there. And the man is 1-1.

George put his stamp on the Bill Walsh dynasty built 49ers right from the 1st day he was a part of it. I bet if you polled every player he ever coached they'd to a man say he deserves the recognition and the honor of induction. Including STEVE who wanted to throttle the man.

George kept us in it BECAUSE he was a Defensive minded Coach. Because on the Sidelines he could SEE what scheme could stop the Opposing Offense. He sucked as an Offensive mind but Defensively there was NOBODY better imho, as a HC during that time.

Superstitious as hell too. Always had his lifesavers and walked around the field emblems every time he took the field at the Stick. Only reason he left was cause we couldn't get past the Cowpatties. That's it.

~Ceadder

Thought it was the Packers he couldn't get past, I remember him coaching the superbowl Niners that beat the Cowboys.

Anywayz Seifert was bless with a talent team that had a great staff and an innovative offense but he still needs to be given credit for coaching them.

Is he the best ever? No that is Walsh
Is he HoF worthy? Yea 2 Superbowl wins
and y some of the spewing on his name, yea he didnt do well in Carolina, but the man was the Head Coach of a superbowl winning 49ers team, thats like a pass for anything negative in Ninerland

You're thinking of Mooch. Not Seifert. Seifert couldn't get past the Cowboys until '94.

Mooch couldn't get past the Packers two straight after he was brought in in '96 and '97. '98 he finally got past them.

Now I'm just working from the top of my pointed head here but I don't see how you could mistake the Cowboys for the Packers. Two entirely different locations and uniforms.

Oh and he couldn't bring us back against Switzers Cowboys. Mooch took over from there.

~Ceadder

Seifert beat Switzers Cowboys I remember that game well, was the one Grbac (sp?) Threw the TD to Rice on the 3rd play from the game, god i loved that.

He lost to the packers in 95 and 96 in the divisional playoffs in which he than retired to come back with the panthers in 99.

Mooch lost in 97 and beat them in 98 and also lost in 2001.

hmm WTF y is this a George Seifert thread this needs to be another I Hate Bret Favre thread

That must have been some really good herb.

George Seiferts Coaching Record.

Mooch lost back to back against Holmgren's Packers. Finally beat them in '98.

Dallas has 3 rings from the 90s' correct?

NFL Super Bowl History. Pay attention to '96

So you were saying now?

~Ceadder

I can link things to

edit
truthfully idk what were arguing about? y seifert retired?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert

Wiki is not a quotable source friend.

The problem with Wikipedia is any droll troglodyte with a keyboard can redact the information to what he BELIEVES to be true.

Tho it pretty much confirms what I stated the whole time.

I put up credible source material.

The last one was from the NFL after all.

George lost to the Cowboys that year and he was hastily shown the exit in favor of a guy that to be quite honest couldn't carry his jock.

And I didn't argue, you mistakenly corrected me. I figured rather than continue debating this I would just post credible sources that show my version as being correct.

But nooooo you hadda correct me dint ya?

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by 9erObsession:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Spot on target..

Agree, nice post

So many HoFplayers? By my count he had 4. Including Rice who WILL be inducted this Summer.

If Holmgren is inducted(and he will be for taking 2 teams to the Super Bowl and having a solid coaching record, then Seifert definitely belongs.

Seifert is FIVE and Oh as a Coach. TWO and Oh as a HC.

I find it ludicrous that people say "he coasted and you couldn't fail with the team that he was given the keys to" like he was never a part of that process to begin with. Barry FREAKIN Switzer played NO part in the Cowboys Dynasty building process. He was GIVEN that team. Brought up from the College Ranks because he was one of the better coaches there. And the man is 1-1.

George put his stamp on the Bill Walsh dynasty built 49ers right from the 1st day he was a part of it. I bet if you polled every player he ever coached they'd to a man say he deserves the recognition and the honor of induction. Including STEVE who wanted to throttle the man.

George kept us in it BECAUSE he was a Defensive minded Coach. Because on the Sidelines he could SEE what scheme could stop the Opposing Offense. He sucked as an Offensive mind but Defensively there was NOBODY better imho, as a HC during that time.

Superstitious as hell too. Always had his lifesavers and walked around the field emblems every time he took the field at the Stick. Only reason he left was cause we couldn't get past the Cowpatties. That's it.

~Ceadder

Thought it was the Packers he couldn't get past, I remember him coaching the superbowl Niners that beat the Cowboys.

Anywayz Seifert was bless with a talent team that had a great staff and an innovative offense but he still needs to be given credit for coaching them.

Is he the best ever? No that is Walsh
Is he HoF worthy? Yea 2 Superbowl wins
and y some of the spewing on his name, yea he didnt do well in Carolina, but the man was the Head Coach of a superbowl winning 49ers team, thats like a pass for anything negative in Ninerland

You're thinking of Mooch. Not Seifert. Seifert couldn't get past the Cowboys until '94.

Mooch couldn't get past the Packers two straight after he was brought in in '96 and '97. '98 he finally got past them.

Now I'm just working from the top of my pointed head here but I don't see how you could mistake the Cowboys for the Packers. Two entirely different locations and uniforms.

Oh and he couldn't bring us back against Switzers Cowboys. Mooch took over from there.

~Ceadder

Seifert beat Switzers Cowboys I remember that game well, was the one Grbac (sp?) Threw the TD to Rice on the 3rd play from the game, god i loved that.

He lost to the packers in 95 and 96 in the divisional playoffs in which he than retired to come back with the panthers in 99.

Mooch lost in 97 and beat them in 98 and also lost in 2001.

hmm WTF y is this a George Seifert thread this needs to be another I Hate Bret Favre thread

That must have been some really good herb.

George Seiferts Coaching Record.

Mooch lost back to back against Holmgren's Packers. Finally beat them in '98.

Dallas has 3 rings from the 90s' correct?

NFL Super Bowl History. Pay attention to '96

So you were saying now?

~Ceadder

I can link things to

edit
truthfully idk what were arguing about? y seifert retired?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Seifert

Wiki is not a quotable source friend.

The problem with Wikipedia is any droll troglodyte with a keyboard can redact the information to what he BELIEVES to be true.

Tho it pretty much confirms what I stated the whole time.

I put up credible source material.

The last one was from the NFL after all.

George lost to the Cowboys that year and he was hastily shown the exit in favor of a guy that to be quite honest couldn't carry his jock.

And I didn't argue, you mistakenly corrected me. I figured rather than continue debating this I would just post credible sources that show my version as being correct.

But nooooo you hadda correct me dint ya?

~Ceadder

The problem with your links is that unless there is a category I don't see its not showing the who the Niners lost 2.

Now yes the cowboys won 3 Superbowls Twice beating The Niners in 92,93 than losing in 94 and winning in 95, In 95 they beat the Packers though not the Niners.

The 49ers went on to 3 straight losing playoff games to the Packers b4 Steve Young to TO catch.

So while you might believe it was the Cowboys Seifert couldn't get past and was shown the door I believe it was the Packers.

So less you can come up with a direct quote from Seifert saying Yes it was the Cowboys im still gonna have to say it was the packers due to 2 straight losing games.

So agree to disagree?

oh and (had to i just hate that thing really)

oh look, a rookie head coach who was just "coasting" on a former great coaches team and legend QB DIDNT win the super bowl!

how about we give Seifert some credit? it takes more than just a nice team to win a championship.

ive never seen a fanbase that was so divided against their all time greats.

guys, 1981 to 1998 was the greatest dynasty in football history. Bill Walsh built it, won the first 3, and Seifert kept it going strong, and finished off with the last 2.

would it kill people to actually support a former coach who during his tenure with SF, had the highest winning % in NFL history?

Seifert literally had a .766 W-L% before he left for Carolina, which ranks ahead of even John Madden's .763.

Originally posted by Niners99:
When you look at overall records, and maintaining greatness, i think George Seifert doesnt get enough credit for the job he did here.

Now i understand that Walsh created the WCO, the winning mentality, was responsible for all personal moves and knowing who to sign, who to cut, etc, and he won the first 3 rings. but if you look at overall records....Seifert actually was just as good, maybe a bit better as far as wins/losses.

There seems to be this common opinion that Seifert just took over the reigns of a dynasty and sat back and coasted on it. however, id argue he did a phenomenal job of building his own teams, and keeping the Niners on top. outside the 1989-1990 super bowl win over Denver, i think he deserves full credit.

you can make an argument Walsh had everything setup to repeat in 89, but after that, the team choked away a surefire Super Bowl title against the Giants the very next season, and then ran into the Montana injury problems, missing the playoffs in 1991, and a division in the team among which QB should play.

he made the right call going with Young and letting Montana go, and we pulled right back out of it and dominated once more, including another Super Bowl win in 94. maybe a Walsh team takes 1 or 2 more Super Bowls in those years we finished runner up to Dallas and New York, maybe not.

overall, Seifert was 98-30 as Niners HC in 8 seasons, winning 7 division titles in those 8 years, and missing the playoffs at 10-6 in 1991, which almost always gets you in. Seifert was 10-5 in the playoffs. he averaged a 12-4 record as 49ers head coach.

Walsh was 92-56, but if you throw out his first 2 rebuilding seasons, and the strike year in 1982 hes 81-29 in 7 seasons (after 3 were removed). he won 6 division titles in those 7 seasons, and was 10-4 in the playoffs. he averages an 11-5 record in those 7 years.

im not saying Seifert was better, Walsh probably deserves credit for 4 of the 5 super bowls, and was clearly the best of all time, but Seifert didnt just coast on Walsh's team. maybe for 1 season in 89, but after that he was on his own, and he did an outstanding job.

I am a fan of Seifert and I do feel he is underrated, but in this case you're overrating him. Bill Walsh had that team set up to succeed for AT LEAST the next 5 years and installed a system that allowed them to succeed for the next 10. Walsh is very responsible for any success the team had all the way up until 2004 when a new offensive system was installed, one which we've had minimal success with, I might add.

Originally posted by Niners99:
oh look, a rookie head coach who was just "coasting" on a former great coaches team and legend QB DIDNT win the super bowl!

how about we give Seifert some credit? it takes more than just a nice team to win a championship.

ive never seen a fanbase that was so divided against their all time greats.

guys, 1981 to 1998 was the greatest dynasty in football history. Bill Walsh built it, won the first 3, and Seifert kept it going strong, and finished off with the last 2.

would it kill people to actually support a former coach who during his tenure with SF, had the highest winning % in NFL history?

Seifert literally had a .766 W-L% before he left for Carolina, which ranks ahead of even John Madden's .763.

Totally agree ! Seifert was the continuity of the 49er winning tradition started by his friend and mentor, the great Bill Walsh...however, he was instrumental along with Policy, Clark to the end of the winning era when he and SYoung could'nt deal with Haley and traded him to "dem Cowboys" in 1992 - Haley was the Cowboys final piece of the puzzle on their winning run...and Policy & Clark allowed Lott et al to leave with the plan B salary cap situation that put an end to the free spending ways.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Niners99:
When you look at overall records, and maintaining greatness, i think George Seifert doesnt get enough credit for the job he did here.

Now i understand that Walsh created the WCO, the winning mentality, was responsible for all personal moves and knowing who to sign, who to cut, etc, and he won the first 3 rings. but if you look at overall records....Seifert actually was just as good, maybe a bit better as far as wins/losses.

There seems to be this common opinion that Seifert just took over the reigns of a dynasty and sat back and coasted on it. however, id argue he did a phenomenal job of building his own teams, and keeping the Niners on top. outside the 1989-1990 super bowl win over Denver, i think he deserves full credit.

you can make an argument Walsh had everything setup to repeat in 89, but after that, the team choked away a surefire Super Bowl title against the Giants the very next season, and then ran into the Montana injury problems, missing the playoffs in 1991, and a division in the team among which QB should play.

he made the right call going with Young and letting Montana go, and we pulled right back out of it and dominated once more, including another Super Bowl win in 94. maybe a Walsh team takes 1 or 2 more Super Bowls in those years we finished runner up to Dallas and New York, maybe not.

overall, Seifert was 98-30 as Niners HC in 8 seasons, winning 7 division titles in those 8 years, and missing the playoffs at 10-6 in 1991, which almost always gets you in. Seifert was 10-5 in the playoffs. he averaged a 12-4 record as 49ers head coach.

Walsh was 92-56, but if you throw out his first 2 rebuilding seasons, and the strike year in 1982 hes 81-29 in 7 seasons (after 3 were removed). he won 6 division titles in those 7 seasons, and was 10-4 in the playoffs. he averages an 11-5 record in those 7 years.

im not saying Seifert was better, Walsh probably deserves credit for 4 of the 5 super bowls, and was clearly the best of all time, but Seifert didnt just coast on Walsh's team. maybe for 1 season in 89, but after that he was on his own, and he did an outstanding job.

I am a fan of Seifert and I do feel he is underrated, but in this case you're overrating him. Bill Walsh had that team set up to succeed for AT LEAST the next 5 years and installed a system that allowed them to succeed for the next 10. Walsh is very responsible for any success the team had all the way up until 2004 when a new offensive system was installed, one which we've had minimal success with, I might add.

I think you are overrating Bill Walsh. Set up to succeed for ten years after he retired? Just click autopilot, and things run themselves?

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Niners99:
When you look at overall records, and maintaining greatness, i think George Seifert doesnt get enough credit for the job he did here.

Now i understand that Walsh created the WCO, the winning mentality, was responsible for all personal moves and knowing who to sign, who to cut, etc, and he won the first 3 rings. but if you look at overall records....Seifert actually was just as good, maybe a bit better as far as wins/losses.

There seems to be this common opinion that Seifert just took over the reigns of a dynasty and sat back and coasted on it. however, id argue he did a phenomenal job of building his own teams, and keeping the Niners on top. outside the 1989-1990 super bowl win over Denver, i think he deserves full credit.

you can make an argument Walsh had everything setup to repeat in 89, but after that, the team choked away a surefire Super Bowl title against the Giants the very next season, and then ran into the Montana injury problems, missing the playoffs in 1991, and a division in the team among which QB should play.

he made the right call going with Young and letting Montana go, and we pulled right back out of it and dominated once more, including another Super Bowl win in 94. maybe a Walsh team takes 1 or 2 more Super Bowls in those years we finished runner up to Dallas and New York, maybe not.

overall, Seifert was 98-30 as Niners HC in 8 seasons, winning 7 division titles in those 8 years, and missing the playoffs at 10-6 in 1991, which almost always gets you in. Seifert was 10-5 in the playoffs. he averaged a 12-4 record as 49ers head coach.

Walsh was 92-56, but if you throw out his first 2 rebuilding seasons, and the strike year in 1982 hes 81-29 in 7 seasons (after 3 were removed). he won 6 division titles in those 7 seasons, and was 10-4 in the playoffs. he averages an 11-5 record in those 7 years.

im not saying Seifert was better, Walsh probably deserves credit for 4 of the 5 super bowls, and was clearly the best of all time, but Seifert didnt just coast on Walsh's team. maybe for 1 season in 89, but after that he was on his own, and he did an outstanding job.

I am a fan of Seifert and I do feel he is underrated, but in this case you're overrating him. Bill Walsh had that team set up to succeed for AT LEAST the next 5 years and installed a system that allowed them to succeed for the next 10. Walsh is very responsible for any success the team had all the way up until 2004 when a new offensive system was installed, one which we've had minimal success with, I might add.

Walsh was the reason the team was built on such a great foundation, however, how do you explain the 49ers playing BETTER under Seifert than under Walsh?

when Seifert took over, he went 14-2 in 3 of his first 4 seasons as HC. when did Walsh do that? theres no question Walsh set it up nicely, but the results Seifert got out of the team were even better than Walsh had been getting.

again, nobody is saying Seifert was a better coach than Walsh, or was more instrumental in the franchises successes. however, Seifert's teams took that extra step to be dominant every season, even through QB controversy and injuries.

im just calling for Seifert to get more credit for what he did, rather than "eh, walsh did it, seifert just coasted". even taking out his first 2 seasons, and the strike year, Walsh averaged an 11-5 record. Seifert averaged a 12-4 record. im just sayin..

I liked Sefert. But wasn't there a chance at some point to have had Shannahan? (ie the year before or soon there after when he left to go to Denver.) I would rather of had him.

Walsh would have won 4 straight superbowls against the Bills

Originally posted by Niners99:
oh look, a rookie head coach who was just "coasting" on a former great coaches team and legend QB DIDNT win the super bowl!

how about we give Seifert some credit? it takes more than just a nice team to win a championship.

ive never seen a fanbase that was so divided against their all time greats.

guys, 1981 to 1998 was the greatest dynasty in football history. Bill Walsh built it, won the first 3, and Seifert kept it going strong, and finished off with the last 2.

would it kill people to actually support a former coach who during his tenure with SF, had the highest winning % in NFL history?

Seifert literally had a .766 W-L% before he left for Carolina, which ranks ahead of even John Madden's .763.

I think Seifert did a very good job while HC of the Niners but in no way do I think he is a HOF coach. I think a Hall of Fame Head Coach is someone who took a team from scratch or from the bottom and built them up tp greatness. Seifert did not do that and in fact was a big failure in Carolina. If he had been able to succeed there then I think he could be in HOF consideration for sure.

I think that Seifert-Switzer comparisions are very fair. Both took teams that were built by other head coaches and won SB's without screwing it up. However, George does get a higher mark in my book because of the 94 season.

I like George and would never diminish what he did with the Niners. I just dont think its HOF worthy.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:
oh look, a rookie head coach who was just "coasting" on a former great coaches team and legend QB DIDNT win the super bowl!

how about we give Seifert some credit? it takes more than just a nice team to win a championship.

ive never seen a fanbase that was so divided against their all time greats.

guys, 1981 to 1998 was the greatest dynasty in football history. Bill Walsh built it, won the first 3, and Seifert kept it going strong, and finished off with the last 2.

would it kill people to actually support a former coach who during his tenure with SF, had the highest winning % in NFL history?

Seifert literally had a .766 W-L% before he left for Carolina, which ranks ahead of even John Madden's .763.

I think Seifert did a very good job while HC of the Niners but in no way do I think he is a HOF coach. I think a Hall of Fame Head Coach is someone who took a team from scratch or from the bottom and built them up tp greatness. Seifert did not do that and in fact was a big failure in Carolina. If he had been able to succeed there then I think he could be in HOF consideration for sure.

I think that Seifert-Switzer comparisions are very fair. Both took teams that were built by other head coaches and won SB's without screwing it up. However, George does get a higher mark in my book because of the 94 season.

I like George and would never diminish what he did with the Niners. I just dont think its HOF worthy.

so youre punishing the guy because of his situation?

before he left for Carolina, Seifert has the best winning% of any coach in NFL history. hes a HOF, period. if you start saying Seifert had it made and he shouldnt go, then you have to say Rice had it made with Montana and Young, and didnt have to make it big starting with a rookie.