The Problem Starts With Scotty??? | Page 5

ginseng1000 · 2009-10-12T19:19:10-07:00

I just get the feeling that management doesn't have a winning mentality... Okay...just hear me out on this... It seems that every years, Scotty and who ever LOVES to sign 2nd tier players from free agency. For example, who have we signed in terms of WR since Scotty got here??? They were all cast offs and underachievers for other teams. And Scotty some how feels that these under-achieved WRs will live up to their potential with the Niners. Here's the list: Darrell Jackson Bryant Johnson Brandon Jones Okay..the jury is still out on Brandon Jones, but reality is his just a #2 guy..how many #2 guys do we need with J Hill, Morgan, Bruce, Battle, Ziegler??? How come we never go for a big time player?? i.e. Jets trading for Braylon Edwards or Bills making a run for TO, etc. And then we were thin at the tackle position since Jonas Jennings left...and basically Scotty gambled on Marvel Smith (who is coming off back injury). Looked how he turned out.....his back couldn't hold up... Same with the QB position. We went into this season with Shaun Hill and Alex Smith. Maybe Scotty feels that Alex Smith will still live up to his potential but the truth came out when Smith didn't win out the competition during training camp.... It just irritates me that we were 7-9 last season and Scotty thinks somehow we can become contenders without any significant upgrade on our roster... My impression is that management is just too cheap to sign the good players, and rather gamble on draft to build up the team. They were even too cheap to resign Justin Smiley...and now we are stuck with under-achieving Chilo whose gonna loose out to Tony Wraggle.... look at chicago, I would say they are more talented than we were last year...and they went out and traded for Cutler... Look at the Jets, they went out and traded for Braylon. I'm just saying...I think part of the problem starts with management...

Dec 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM

#61

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I for one am kinda scared/anxious to see if Scott screws up another draft for us.
Scott has no vision for how he wants to build a team he changes his philosophy every year. Case in point, last year with martz as oc we set up for passing letting smiley walk and picking up issac bruce instead of drafting desean jackson. Scott also believes that mark roman is an adequate nfl player, passing on Kenny phillips for kentawn balmer last year in the first round.

Dec 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM

#62

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
So please tell me why Scott deserves another season.

True that.

Dec 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM

#63

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Fire McClueless!

Dec 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM

#64

niners94
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Give him one more season. With continuity maybe this team would've won some of those close games.

Dec 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM

#65

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Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
Fire McClueless!

He is clueless and should be fired.

Dec 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM

#66

rob28
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And Cleveland is about to get holmgren.

Dec 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM

#67

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The sat part is, Scotty McC actually has been drafting OLINE. He practically built this OLINE less Eric Heitman

-David Bass - early 2nd round
-Chilo - early 2nd round
-Adam Synder - 3rd round
-Staley - 1st round pick

IMHO, these are all high picks or day 1 picks...

Dec 20, 2009 at 5:16 PM

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
So please tell me why Scott deserves another season.

First round picks:
1 potential HOF
1 All Pro
1 potential All Pro
2 Solid starters
1 backup
1 up and down QB

Big-Ticket FA:
1 borderline All Pro
2 Solid starter (Lewis & Clements)
1 Bust

I would even say you could throw out the first season simply because 1) they were backed into a corner and forced to draft a QB in a bad draft and then 2) had to very quickly build up an OL to protect him, hence poor FA signings and poor drafting (drafting need always yields poor results though).

That is a pretty good record of drafting and FA pickups.

Dec 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
About a year ago, a number of zoners discussed the need for a President or Operations Head who would help groom Scot and teach him the nuances of management. We brought up Eddie bringing in McVey to help Walsh, even though Walsh was already a master. The need for sounding boards who have deep experience in drafting, free agent acquisition, and day to day managment of people is more clear now than ever.

Singletary is a first year HC, Scot has risen quickly with minimal experience, and...Jed? That's it for the brain trust? I can't fault Scot as he has been pretty effective, but he will never live down the "we can find OGs anywhere" comment.

I think that this is real problem. There is no managerial experience in the FO and it shows. There is no clear direction and the talent is disparate.

Dec 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by nannite:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
So please tell me why Scott deserves another season.

First round picks:
1 potential HOF
1 All Pro
1 potential All Pro
2 Solid starters
1 backup
1 up and down QB

Big-Ticket FA:
1 borderline All Pro
2 Solid starter (Lewis & Clements)
1 Bust

I would even say you could throw out the first season simply because 1) they were backed into a corner and forced to draft a QB in a bad draft and then 2) had to very quickly build up an OL to protect him, hence poor FA signings and poor drafting (drafting need always yields poor results though).

That is a pretty good record of drafting and FA pickups.

How did you get all this HOF stuff, if so, why are we losing year after year?

Dec 20, 2009 at 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
So please tell me why Scott deserves another season.

The more games I watch, the more I see his shortcomings on the field. Especially when compared to a team like Philly.

Say he's fired - who is hired to take his place?

Dec 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM

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Some of you focus on the good players Scotty has drafted. But I say focus on the players whose mistakes over and over add up to us losing. And what do we have? A losing team. Walsh made sure he had a team of smart players who played smart, error-free football. How many of this year's games would we have won if we could have eliminated just 50% of the dropped passes, tipped balls, fumbles, blown coverages, and stupid, drive-killing penalties?

Most of them?

Blame the Yorks too. They have about $50M of cap room sitting on the sidelines that should be out there making game winning plays. But I am not sure McC is the one who should be deciding how to spend it on OL or WRs. List the FA OL and WRs he has brought in here. Pretty dismal track record.

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:31 PM

#73

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by horsecore:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
So please tell me why Scott deserves another season.

The more games I watch, the more I see his shortcomings on the field. Especially when compared to a team like Philly.

Say he's fired - who is hired to take his place?

he's guranteed to return

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Is it the offseason already?

-9fA

Yes, it is...our season is over, over, over

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:35 PM

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Problem with the makeup of the org is the gm and the head coach are in bed together far too often. Scotty doesn't have the balls to go against the grain. He overruled Sing when Sing/Nolan didn't believe Willis was the guy. That's great when its an obvious pick, but what about those that aren't that obvious??? Just take a look at this past draft.....1 starter (Crabtree) and a bunch of guys that will be situational/good back ups. Case in point....McKillop. Ulbrich goes down and its Wilhelm who takes his place.