The Problem Starts With Scotty???

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:
Do the 49ers bring in Mike Holmgren to take Scot's job?

I too have reservations about Scot. I worry he is going to blow our two first rounders next year.

How much could we have used William Beatty or Phil Loadholt THIS year?

I don't know, but I am not a NFL scout! Hind sight is easy I know, but not too impressed with Scot's tract record.

Holmgren is a crappy GM who just like Nolan got his duties revoked in Seattle.

I don't know why everyone is aboard the Holmgren for GM train.

Can someone give me a good reason?

-9fA

How many SBs has he taken his team to??? ... Nuff said!

Yeah , I don't know about Holmgren as a GM , they argue he just couldn't do both , I know he can coach, don't know he's ever drafted that great

Originally posted by ginseng1000:
All I'm saying is...

if you were GM of the 49ers...and you just came off a FEW losing seasons...

wouldn't you try to upgrade your roster?

I know the draft is for rebuilding...but usually players from draft picks take a year or two or more to reach their potential....and sometimes drafted players don't pan out...

Our roster this year is basically the same as last years...(we added marvel smith and Brandon Jones).

I'm just venting about this lackluster approach or philosophy management has...where as other teams do try to go for that big name player...

Just like the Super Bowl bound Redskins and the Raiders. That plan is working great for them.

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Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:
Do the 49ers bring in Mike Holmgren to take Scot's job?

I too have reservations about Scot. I worry he is going to blow our two first rounders next year.

How much could we have used William Beatty or Phil Loadholt THIS year?

I don't know, but I am not a NFL scout! Hind sight is easy I know, but not too impressed with Scot's tract record.

Holmgren is a crappy GM who just like Nolan got his duties revoked in Seattle.

I don't know why everyone is aboard the Holmgren for GM train.

Can someone give me a good reason?

-9fA

How many SBs has he taken his team to??? ... Nuff said!

C'mon man tell the whole story. Seattle blew through a very weak NFC that year (check their record) only to lose a totally winnable game against Pittsburgh. And before that his last trip was what, in 95/96 with the Packers? So (to rephrase the question) what has he done LATELY to garner such praise?

While I'm not disputing that Holmgren WAS a great coach, I think that's no longer the case. I think the game has passed him by. Just see his record for the past few years in Seattle. And even by his own admission, he's burned out.

Ditto that for Shanahan.

nate clements, justin smith, michael lewis, franklin ALL good free agent signings.

drafting has been okay, but patrick willis, frank gore, vernon davis, crabtree all will be the foundation of 49er success for the future.

this thread was probably started because of sunday's loss, and that falls squarely on the coaching staff because it was so painfully obvious that they were out coached and under prepared.

now that scotty is on his own to make personal decisions, i think he has shown enough to warrant a couple more years.

Well some of his picks R panning out....Alex, Gore, VD, Crabtree, Morgan, J.Hill, Willis,......but he needs to rethink his O-line. (Staley aside of-course) Ken-Bomb...(We coulda had both Desean Jackson & Michael Crabtree.

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by ginseng1000:
All I'm saying is...

if you were GM of the 49ers...and you just came off a FEW losing seasons...

wouldn't you try to upgrade your roster?

I know the draft is for rebuilding...but usually players from draft picks take a year or two or more to reach their potential....and sometimes drafted players don't pan out...

Our roster this year is basically the same as last years...(we added marvel smith and Brandon Jones).

I'm just venting about this lackluster approach or philosophy management has...where as other teams do try to go for that big name player...

I understand you are venting. But think about what you are saying.

Niners sign 2nd tier players: #1 FA CB, #1 FA DE

Niners are cheap: huge contracts given to Clements, Justin Smith, Glass Jennings

As for top tier WR's, who is available (that doesn't cost $12 mil per year)? Was Fitz, A Johnson, Calvin Johnson available?

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Well looks like Singletary is falling on the sword but this season's problems were bigger than one game:

OL couldn't block all season an our GAMBLE to pay cheap for a ORT costs us big time. The Rachal/Baas experiment was atrocious. Baas is in the last year of his contract you really think the 2nd rounder is coming back? I doubt it.

A power rushing team with no viable OGs because the philosophy is that "we can find them cheaper...." Add this to the signing of Brandon Jones without the position coaches' consent. No pass rusher acquired but we were told in FEBRUARY that "Manny Lawson can develop into the player we need."

ORLY.


Things have gone from bad to worse. This was Scotty's full season as GM and it was an utter failure from the GM position. Pashos and Bly were stop gap measures. Looks like we should have brought in Chris McAlister huh? See, GMing isn't just about draft day, it's about constantly evaluating players and bringing in whoever your team needs to push towards the playoffs.

On year its "we're going to build through the draft" but if anyone has noticed, there's only one true blue chip player on defense we drafted and on offense if not for this season, Gore would have been the only proven blue chipper. Davis has FINALLY come on and Smith seems to have FINALLY gotten it all together.

Speaking of the draft this season did we really have a contributor outside of the no-brainer pick of Crabtree. Did that really take "talent" and an a Bill Walsh-type "eye" to take that pick? Of course not. Trade the second for 2 firsts. Great move, but that trade only works if we add players who aren't in the mold of Kentwan Balmer. Glen Coffee? Hmmm well not really a contributor this season. Looks like we could have gotten a back-up RB in FA and used that pick on an OG or a ROT.

But that would make too much sense right? Of course we were lied to for months. Marvel Smith was signed in February and never even practice up until his retirement in August. Whaddo I do? Whaddo I do? Yep that's the GM you have folks.

Remember with even MORE freedom, it was worse than what we've seen under Nolan. Makes you wonder who was the better drafter. Makes you wonder who was really pursuing Justin Smith and/or Nate Clements or even Briggs. Could it be that Scott is actually WORSE than Nolan when it comes to making GM decisions?

It certainly is looking that way.

Scots inability to constantly upgrade the roster with good players is starting to affect the team. Gore is starting to look like all the hits he's taken over the years, thanks to bad Oline play, is catching up to him now that Alex is playing better. Who is our next starting RB? Coffee?

McClouphan has had a couple hits in the draft - Willis, Crabtree, Staley, Morgan - but overall his drafting record and FA pickup record isn't very good. He has missed at CB, S, defensive pass rushing specialist, OG, OT, backup and eventual Gore replacement RB, kick return specialist and if he hadn't had Crabtree fall to him you could have added a #1 WR. He has overpaid and missed on all of his FA pickups besides J. Smit. We should be thankful for Willis and Crabtree, but he has to do way better than that if we're ever going to compete for a championship. That's what the Patriots, Colts, Eagles etc do so well, they hit more than they miss and have guys ready to step in when someone goes down or leaves.

Many people are crapping on Scott McCloughan's drafting abilities, but take a look at the writeups from ESPN recently looking at draft records since 05 (which also happens to be the year McCloughan became VP of player personnel).

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It points out that since '05 the Niners have drafted more starters than any team in the NFL (16).
Alex Smith, Michael Crabtree, Frank Gore, Josh Morgan, Joe Staley, Tarell Brown, Dashon Goldson, Delanie Walker, Patrick Willis, Chilo Rachal, David Baas, Adam Snyder, Vernon Davis, Parys Haralson and Manny Lawson.

The Niners are also one of just 7 teams to have drafted multiple Pro-Bowlers since '05.

Originally posted by mug0mug:
Many people are crapping on Scott McCloughan's drafting abilities, but take a look at the writeups from ESPN recently looking at draft records since 05 (which also happens to be the year McCloughan became VP of player personnel).

Linkage

It points out that since '05 the Niners have drafted more starters than any team in the NFL (16).
Alex Smith, Michael Crabtree, Frank Gore, Josh Morgan, Joe Staley, Tarell Brown, Dashon Goldson, Delanie Walker, Patrick Willis, Chilo Rachal, David Baas, Adam Snyder, Vernon Davis, Parys Haralson and Manny Lawson.

The Niners are also one of just 7 teams to have drafted multiple Pro-Bowlers since '05.

We drafted more startes because in 2005 we were pulling our starters off the street. I see a lot of struggling starters out of the above list.

I don't think talent is really the problem. they have enough to win ten or eleven and get to the playoffs. coaching is the problem. i like sing, but we've killed ourselves too many times. who else can you blame?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by sacniner:
I don't think talent is really the problem. they have enough to win ten or eleven and get to the playoffs. coaching is the problem. i like sing, but we've killed ourselves too many times. who else can you blame?

The OL.

The OL doesn't have talent enough for 10 wins.

True. We can't even attempt a run now cause this o line is so sorry.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by mug0mug:
Many people are crapping on Scott McCloughan's drafting abilities, but take a look at the writeups from ESPN recently looking at draft records since 05 (which also happens to be the year McCloughan became VP of player personnel).

Linkage

It points out that since '05 the Niners have drafted more starters than any team in the NFL (16).
Alex Smith, Michael Crabtree, Frank Gore, Josh Morgan, Joe Staley, Tarell Brown, Dashon Goldson, Delanie Walker, Patrick Willis, Chilo Rachal, David Baas, Adam Snyder, Vernon Davis, Parys Haralson and Manny Lawson.

The Niners are also one of just 7 teams to have drafted multiple Pro-Bowlers since '05.

How long are we going to keep running this excuse? And Nolan gets no credit for those drafts?

See I don't understand that.

Scott gets all of the credit, but none of the blame. Sorry but it's just not working anymore.

They are starters right now. But Snyder, Rachal, Baas, Haralson, Goldson, and Brown are "starters" until we actually find long-term starters at the position. These guys are just keeping the seat warm for better talent.

About a year ago, a number of zoners discussed the need for a President or Operations Head who would help groom Scot and teach him the nuances of management. We brought up Eddie bringing in McVey to help Walsh, even though Walsh was already a master. The need for sounding boards who have deep experience in drafting, free agent acquisition, and day to day managment of people is more clear now than ever.

Singletary is a first year HC, Scot has risen quickly with minimal experience, and...Jed? That's it for the brain trust? I can't fault Scot as he has been pretty effective, but he will never live down the "we can find OGs anywhere" comment.