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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


Link

OK,

I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

Cardinals Plays

Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).

[ Edited by jreff22 on Oct 2, 2009 at 10:30:40 ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No way.

There are plenty of terrible throws and decision making in your own video.

A QB who can throw greater than 10 yards looks like a hall of famer on the red and gold. That's what we've been reduced to. A guy who can throw an 11 + yard pass looks like the next Troy Aikman. When you compare him to the wet noodle arm pathetic guys we have he has a strong arm. Compare anybody to our #1 and #2 and they will come out looking like they have a strong arm.

We need a real QB. A QB of the future and we don't have that person on the team right now.



I think you are missing the point of that 11 yard pass. It was an opposite hash frozen rope delivered on time and on target. That pass is about 30-40 yards IN THE AIR and a pass that few NFL QBs can complete on a regular basis.

Those passes force DBs to defend the entire field and that opens up other passing lanes because the DBs have to respect his ability to make that throw.

If you don't know that, you shouldn't say anything.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


Link

OK,

I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

Cardinals Plays

Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).


I think a point both of you may be missing is that Davis is a visual learner, as has been stated in a couple of different articles. I believe it was reported that the coaching staff has used different techniques to help Davis learn the plays. I just can't remember if that is putting everything in diagrams or showing him on the field. It's his reading that is the problem. Not his intake of how the plays work.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


Link

OK,

I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

Cardinals Plays

Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).


I think a point both of you may be missing is that Davis is a visual learner, as has been stated in a couple of different articles. I believe it was reported that the coaching staff has used different techniques to help Davis learn the plays. I just can't remember if that is putting everything in diagrams or showing him on the field. It's his reading that is the problem. Not his intake of how the plays work.

I understand that but my point still remains. Its been stated that it would take him a year to learn the playbook. If he became the starter tomorrow there's still a lot he doesn't know. Also if the system changed next year he would be back to needing another year to learn the new system. That in itself limits him from the get go.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


Link

OK,

I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

Cardinals Plays

Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).

Do you think that they just hand him the 49ers playbook full of 200 pages of text and tell him to figure it out?

No, they found a different way to present it to him and he executed the offense very well in the preseason.

Ya, its nice if your QB is the smartest guy on the team, but how did that work out for Alex Smith?

Do you think Brett Favre is a genius or something? What makes you think that Davis is NOT a bright kid? All you have to go on is a test result on a written test and the word dyslexia.

Thats kinda my entire point. People saw that Wonderlic result, heard the word dyslexia, and wrote him off as "not intelligent enough to run an NFL offense".

Its ludicrous.

Dyslexia is a misunderstood phenomenon. Thats OK tho...if GMs doing that caused Davis to fall to the 5th round, we can send them all Thank You cards.

As for my mother, she's not dyslexic (I dunno what you call what she has) and I don't have the first clue what the EIT is. I just know that its funny to see people tak about a learning disability being such a hindrance. What they don't understand is that it doesn't have to be.

The reason dislexic kids have such problems in school is because they aren't diagnosed until VERY late and they end up FEELING stupid because they don't know whats wrong with them.

If taught properly, dyslexia should have no bearing on Nates ability to learn an NFL offense.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


Link

OK,

I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

Cardinals Plays

Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).


I think a point both of you may be missing is that Davis is a visual learner, as has been stated in a couple of different articles. I believe it was reported that the coaching staff has used different techniques to help Davis learn the plays. I just can't remember if that is putting everything in diagrams or showing him on the field. It's his reading that is the problem. Not his intake of how the plays work.

I understand that but my point still remains. Its been stated that it would take him a year to learn the playbook. If he became the starter tomorrow there's still a lot he doesn't know. Also if the system changed next year he would be back to needing another year to learn the new system. That in itself limits him from the get go.

Stated by who? The NFL scouts who didn't draft him because they were scared off by the Wonderlic and the word Dyslexia?

...and BTW...it takes MOST NFL QBs a year to get the offense.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


Link

OK,

I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

Cardinals Plays

Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).


I think a point both of you may be missing is that Davis is a visual learner, as has been stated in a couple of different articles. I believe it was reported that the coaching staff has used different techniques to help Davis learn the plays. I just can't remember if that is putting everything in diagrams or showing him on the field. It's his reading that is the problem. Not his intake of how the plays work.

Nah...I didn't miss that...thats actually what I'm trying to say. Nate has trouble with the written word so he needs the information presented to him in a different way. IE as you've stated, visually.
A nothing and a nobody. He very likely won't even be on this team anymore in 2 - 3 years. His future is certainly not starting QB of the 49ers.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A nothing and a nobody. He very likely won't even be on this team anymore in 2 - 3 years. His future is certainly not starting QB of the 49ers.


hmm, that might actually mean something if people cared what you think
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A nothing and a nobody. He very likely won't even be on this team anymore in 2 - 3 years. His future is certainly not starting QB of the 49ers.


hmm, that might actually mean something if people cared what you think

LOL...its all good. ;-)

He's entitled his opinion and I'm entitled to tell him he's full of sh*t.
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A nothing and a nobody. He very likely won't even be on this team anymore in 2 - 3 years. His future is certainly not starting QB of the 49ers.


hmm, that might actually mean something if people cared what you think

You probably won't even know this guys name in 3 years. Because he can make a pass outside the 10 yard box unlike Hill and Smith he looks awesome. He's a very pedestrian guy on 31 other teams. Our QB situation just outright sucks.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A nothing and a nobody. He very likely won't even be on this team anymore in 2 - 3 years. His future is certainly not starting QB of the 49ers.


hmm, that might actually mean something if people cared what you think

You probably won't even know this guys name in 3 years. Because he can make a pass outside the 10 yard box unlike Hill and Smith he looks awesome. He's a very pedestrian guy on 31 other teams. Our QB situation just outright sucks.

well if shaun hill just keeps winning, i dont know how our qb situation sucks
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A nothing and a nobody. He very likely won't even be on this team anymore in 2 - 3 years. His future is certainly not starting QB of the 49ers.


hmm, that might actually mean something if people cared what you think

You probably won't even know this guys name in 3 years. Because he can make a pass outside the 10 yard box unlike Hill and Smith he looks awesome. He's a very pedestrian guy on 31 other teams. Our QB situation just outright sucks.

well if shaun hill just keeps winning, i dont know how our qb situation sucks

He completely sucks. He is a very limited stop gap guy. He can't make ALL THE NFL THROWS by a long shot. He is the weakest wet noodle armed QB in the league. And we have a absolute bust former #1 overall pick behind him. We have nothing at QB. We need a QB.

Shaun Hill wins by handing the ball to Frank Gore. And letting the Defense play well. Which it has done. Defensively we are a better team than a few years ago and that is how we are getting this done. It's not Shaun Hill.

[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Oct 2, 2009 at 11:09:57 ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Davis is destined to be our version of Charlie Batch.

Could be. He could also be our version of Brett Favre.

Brett Favre he is not nor will be.

This kid is going to be a great backup but his dyslexia could become a major problem. For instance.....how many different OC did Smith work with? Now, Smith picked up those playbooks rather quickly, Davis needs a year to learn Raye's O. Imagine if we changed OC again, we cant wait a year for the QB to learn the system.

I'm not trying to say that he will be a slam dunk Brett Favre type, but he has a quick release, a big arm, he's accurate, and he looks composed in the pocket making passes with pressure in his face.

The dyslexia? To me, its not nearly as big an issue as people make of it.

If your only problem with him is the dyslexia, I think you're missing the boat.

Being physically gifted but mentally "learning disabled", is an issue. If a player needs a year to learn the playbook and the system changes he needs another year to learn. You cant have your starting QB sidelined because he cant run the system or have him run the few plays he can correctly remember. Imagine what our offense would look like if he could only retain 25% of the playbook up until say week 5. You can have all the tools needed but if you cant put it together....whats the point.

Not only must Davis overcome his status as a third-year junior but also widespread concern about his ability to handle an NFL playbook. Davis has acknowledged that he is learning disabled, and so it was not a shock when he scored merely 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

Although his score isn't that far off from the NFL average of about 19.5, it is extremely low for a quarterback. In the last 15 years, the only starting quarterbacks with scores of 15 or below have been Vince Young (15), Donovan McNabb (12), Charlie Batch (15) and Kordell Stewart (15). Seattle backup Seneca Wallace had a 10.


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I appologize in advance if you take offense to this...but you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have dyslexic family members. Its a learning disability, but it doesn't mean they INCAPABLE of learning. All dyslexia does is make if difficult to read the written word. The letter seem to kinda scramble on the page. It also makes it difficult to take standardized tests...like say the Wonderlic. He can't read the questions.

That doesn't make him incapable of learning. It simply means he can learn just as fast as anyone else...he just needs his information presented in a different way. Football isn't about reading the written word. He has no problem processing what he sees on the field.

My mother herself has a learning disability where she can't process the things she hears very well. SHe has to write them down and then read them later to understand.

Ya...she's a real dummy...she works as an Engineer for Cisco Systems and has an IQ of 141.

Did I ever say anything about him being incapable of learning? Did I ever call him a dummy? You do realize the QB should be the smartest guy on the field next to the OC right? Encase you have never seen one he is a page from the Cardinals 2004 playbook. Now how many plays do you think we have maybe 800? Thats a lot of information to retain and most QB's are always studying......can you see how this could be difficult.......now can you see why I said if he was our starter and we changed OC he would be screwed, which would make us as well screwed?

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Did your mom fail her EIT?

Individuals with dyslexia can be gifted in mathematics while having poor reading skills. They might have difficulty with word processing problems. (i.e., descriptive mathematics, engineering, or physics problems that rely on written text rather than numbers or formulas).


I think a point both of you may be missing is that Davis is a visual learner, as has been stated in a couple of different articles. I believe it was reported that the coaching staff has used different techniques to help Davis learn the plays. I just can't remember if that is putting everything in diagrams or showing him on the field. It's his reading that is the problem. Not his intake of how the plays work.

I understand that but my point still remains. Its been stated that it would take him a year to learn the playbook. If he became the starter tomorrow there's still a lot he doesn't know. Also if the system changed next year he would be back to needing another year to learn the new system. That in itself limits him from the get go.

Stated by who? The NFL scouts who didn't draft him because they were scared off by the Wonderlic and the word Dyslexia?

...and BTW...it takes MOST NFL QBs a year to get the offense.

If I remember correctly Davis was the one that said he would need that much time.
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