Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by DonJulio:
I can't believe the amount of hate for the 49ers front office on this particular issue

for me, its a combination of all the other stuff and this was the breaking point someone earlier pointed out, we've had the same needs for 5 years, and we havent addressed those at all (attempted, but nothing solid in 5 years).

yeah, this is just not good enough. not good enough at all. scotty is more or less a failure at this point. how the hell do you get your dream draft and then you cant even sign the guy.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by DonJulio:
I can't believe the amount of hate for the 49ers front office on this particular issue

for me, its a combination of all the other stuff and this was the breaking point someone earlier pointed out, we've had the same needs for 5 years, and we havent addressed those at all (attempted, but nothing solid in 5 years).

yeah, this is just not good enough. not good enough at all. scotty is more or less a failure at this point. how the hell do you get your dream draft and then you cant even sign the guy.

I kind of share this sentiment, regardless if we overpay Crabtree or not, next years 2 picks will try to s**t all over us anyhow.

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
In Schefter's report, he states that the Niners are not budging from the 10th slot. So, we know their contract offer. We don't know what Crabtree is asking (cheers to Parker for keeping this confidential...unlike our organization that leaks information to every newspaper reporter through league sources).

Say what you want about Parker, but he's kept the contract negotiation silent, which allowed for some form of compromise in the end. He could be asking for top 5, top 7 money, or simply something out of the tenth slot. We simply don't know. And, that is the key to a good contract negotiation.

But since the Niners have made it clear to the world that they aren't budging, this contract is not going to be signed. Just a stupid, stupid manuever. It puts them, and Crabtree into a box that has no solution, other than one side having to cave in and lose face. This has become a "saving face" situation for both sides, and the Niners have created this situation by going public through secondary and third parties.

Crabtree is an easy target for scorn, but this also shows the organization to have severe problems. They are just as culpable, or more, for this disaster.

There are some many things that can be put on the organization over these past several years but this isn't one of them. Even though WR wasn't their biggest need, he clearly was the highest rated player on their board. Even if he is, and they knew, a "diva", no one could expect a draft pick to sit out the entire season. No matter how great he was in college, still there is greater likelyhood of him being a bust then a pro-bowl caliber player. The 9ers aren't being cheap. And for those who swear he will be great and want the 9ers to cave. The fact is, even if he becomes a great WR, caving in to the 10th pick would have far greater consequences on the team in future drafts.

My argument is that if they were not willing to think outside the box on his contract, they should have never drafted him in the first place.

I had a very strong hint that Crabtree would never accept 10th slot money, and this looks to be true. The Niners did not understand the perspective Crabtree (whether right or wrong) would carry into contract negotiations, and for them to simply claim ignorance is not good enough.

And if it is proven that 2 other NFL teams have indeed tampered with Craptree, therefore throwing a monkeywrench into the contract talks....what say you then?

Do you honestly believe that Crabtree was ready to cave, and then....two teams emerge to change his mind?

This was never going to happen if the Niners never were going to leave the 10th slot.

I don't know if you've already seen this, i'm just too lazy to look back, but here's more perspective

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/13/report-crabtree-likely-to-re-enter-draft/

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
In Schefter's report, he states that the Niners are not budging from the 10th slot. So, we know their contract offer. We don't know what Crabtree is asking (cheers to Parker for keeping this confidential...unlike our organization that leaks information to every newspaper reporter through league sources).

Say what you want about Parker, but he's kept the contract negotiation silent, which allowed for some form of compromise in the end. He could be asking for top 5, top 7 money, or simply something out of the tenth slot. We simply don't know. And, that is the key to a good contract negotiation.

But since the Niners have made it clear to the world that they aren't budging, this contract is not going to be signed. Just a stupid, stupid manuever. It puts them, and Crabtree into a box that has no solution, other than one side having to cave in and lose face. This has become a "saving face" situation for both sides, and the Niners have created this situation by going public through secondary and third parties.

Crabtree is an easy target for scorn, but this also shows the organization to have severe problems. They are just as culpable, or more, for this disaster.

There are some many things that can be put on the organization over these past several years but this isn't one of them. Even though WR wasn't their biggest need, he clearly was the highest rated player on their board. Even if he is, and they knew, a "diva", no one could expect a draft pick to sit out the entire season. No matter how great he was in college, still there is greater likelyhood of him being a bust then a pro-bowl caliber player. The 9ers aren't being cheap. And for those who swear he will be great and want the 9ers to cave. The fact is, even if he becomes a great WR, caving in to the 10th pick would have far greater consequences on the team in future drafts.

My argument is that if they were not willing to think outside the box on his contract, they should have never drafted him in the first place.

I had a very strong hint that Crabtree would never accept 10th slot money, and this looks to be true. The Niners did not understand the perspective Crabtree (whether right or wrong) would carry into contract negotiations, and for them to simply claim ignorance is not good enough.

And if it is proven that 2 other NFL teams have indeed tampered with Craptree, therefore throwing a monkeywrench into the contract talks....what say you then?

Do you honestly believe that Crabtree was ready to cave, and then....two teams emerge to change his mind?

This was never going to happen if the Niners never were going to leave the 10th slot.

If another NFL team had actully drafted Craptree in the 10th spot, by honest, do you think they would have accepted Craptree's money demand?

If you think the 49ers are the ONLY NFL team who would have had this problem with Craptree.... you are smoking some heavy stuff.

Originally posted by JDeezy:
I don't know if you've already seen this, i'm just too lazy to look back, but here's more perspective

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/13/report-crabtree-likely-to-re-enter-draft/

I already posted this my poor Turlock friend

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by BigMar:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
In Schefter's report, he states that the Niners are not budging from the 10th slot. So, we know their contract offer. We don't know what Crabtree is asking (cheers to Parker for keeping this confidential...unlike our organization that leaks information to every newspaper reporter through league sources).

Say what you want about Parker, but he's kept the contract negotiation silent, which allowed for some form of compromise in the end. He could be asking for top 5, top 7 money, or simply something out of the tenth slot. We simply don't know. And, that is the key to a good contract negotiation.

But since the Niners have made it clear to the world that they aren't budging, this contract is not going to be signed. Just a stupid, stupid manuever. It puts them, and Crabtree into a box that has no solution, other than one side having to cave in and lose face. This has become a "saving face" situation for both sides, and the Niners have created this situation by going public through secondary and third parties.

Crabtree is an easy target for scorn, but this also shows the organization to have severe problems. They are just as culpable, or more, for this disaster.

There are some many things that can be put on the organization over these past several years but this isn't one of them. Even though WR wasn't their biggest need, he clearly was the highest rated player on their board. Even if he is, and they knew, a "diva", no one could expect a draft pick to sit out the entire season. No matter how great he was in college, still there is greater likelyhood of him being a bust then a pro-bowl caliber player. The 9ers aren't being cheap. And for those who swear he will be great and want the 9ers to cave. The fact is, even if he becomes a great WR, caving in to the 10th pick would have far greater consequences on the team in future drafts.

My argument is that if they were not willing to think outside the box on his contract, they should have never drafted him in the first place.

I had a very strong hint that Crabtree would never accept 10th slot money, and this looks to be true. The Niners did not understand the perspective Crabtree (whether right or wrong) would carry into contract negotiations, and for them to simply claim ignorance is not good enough.

And if it is proven that 2 other NFL teams have indeed tampered with Craptree, therefore throwing a monkeywrench into the contract talks....what say you then?

Do you honestly believe that Crabtree was ready to cave, and then....two teams emerge to change his mind?

This was never going to happen if the Niners never were going to leave the 10th slot.

If another NFL team had actully drafted Craptree in the 10th spot, by honest, do you think they would have accepted Craptree's money demand?

If you think the 49ers are the ONLY NFL team who would have had this problem with Craptree.... you are smoking some heavy stuff.

I think that other teams would have tried to get more creative in their attempts to sign him, perhaps some more easier to achieve incentives. The only one of note is that he'll get a bonus if his first 2 years are better than JR's. That's hard to believe considering our qb situation.

Did anyone see the FOX pregame show where they reported that the 9ers basically gave Crabtree an altimatum to either sign by today or they will start reducing their contract offer?

So lets cross our fingers and hope we hear something by tonight or else fack him and lets move on....

Originally posted by DonJulio:

Originally posted by JDeezy:
I don't know if you've already seen this, i'm just too lazy to look back, but here's more perspective

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/13/report-crabtree-likely-to-re-enter-draft/

I already posted this my poor Turlock friend

Just woke up to the stench of methane from all the cow farts give me a break.

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Cashgreed can eat a bag of dicks

Originally posted by JDeezy:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by DonJulio:
I can't believe the amount of hate for the 49ers front office on this particular issue

for me, its a combination of all the other stuff and this was the breaking point someone earlier pointed out, we've had the same needs for 5 years, and we havent addressed those at all (attempted, but nothing solid in 5 years).

yeah, this is just not good enough. not good enough at all. scotty is more or less a failure at this point. how the hell do you get your dream draft and then you cant even sign the guy.

I kind of share this sentiment, regardless if we overpay Crabtree or not, next years 2 picks will try to s**t all over us anyhow.

basically what it ammounts to is scotty shot his wad and it blew up in his face. it wouldnt be a big deal if he had consistently found good players but he doesnt. the guys he did find like willis and gore seemed like no brainers. but he wastes first rounders and he hasnt found players who fit a system. he always picks bpa and then hes surprised when they dont play or they dont develop. well how is a coach supposed to play guys that dont or cant do what he needs them to do. and yes im upset we are going to lose the next big playmaker.

Originally posted by Mex49:
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Cashgreed can eat a bag of dicks

he is the 49ers property technically

they own his rights

i will have 1700 posts by the days end

[ Edited by Mex49 on Sep 13, 2009 at 10:48:51 ]

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by JDeezy:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by DonJulio:
I can't believe the amount of hate for the 49ers front office on this particular issue

for me, its a combination of all the other stuff and this was the breaking point someone earlier pointed out, we've had the same needs for 5 years, and we havent addressed those at all (attempted, but nothing solid in 5 years).

yeah, this is just not good enough. not good enough at all. scotty is more or less a failure at this point. how the hell do you get your dream draft and then you cant even sign the guy.

I kind of share this sentiment, regardless if we overpay Crabtree or not, next years 2 picks will try to s**t all over us anyhow.

basically what it ammounts to is scotty shot his wad and it blew up in his face. it wouldnt be a big deal if he had consistently found good players but he doesnt. the guys he did find like willis and gore seemed like no brainers. but he wastes first rounders and he hasnt found players who fit a system. he always picks bpa and then hes surprised when they dont play or they dont develop. well how is a coach supposed to play guys that dont or cant do what he needs them to do. and yes im upset we are going to lose the next big playmaker.

I disagree with him picking Best player available and sticking to the system. If he stuck to the system we'd have Ngata over Davis. As far as best player available, I don't think Manny Lawson was the bpa where he was selected...that was a need pick, same goes for Balmer and Rachal. I just think that our past drafts have yielded us 2 impact players in Willis and Gore and that's it. We have a couple of starters from those drafts like Staley, Davis, Rachal......but sometimes these selections came at the cost of passing over impact players like the aformentioned Ngata and Desean Jackson.

Originally posted by 49ERGUY:

Originally posted by PTulini:
Just a thought...

I have a feeling that more is going on than meets the eye. More than just the money! (or lack of) I have a feeling Crabtree's ego was bruised by those reports that Coach Singletary made him cry. Maybe as a result of that, Crabtree now refuses to play for us?

I know your not serious here ?????

And... So what if I am?