Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
In Schefter's report, he states that the Niners are not budging from the 10th slot. So, we know their contract offer. We don't know what Crabtree is asking (cheers to Parker for keeping this confidential...unlike our organization that leaks information to every newspaper reporter through league sources).

Say what you want about Parker, but he's kept the contract negotiation silent, which allowed for some form of compromise in the end. He could be asking for top 5, top 7 money, or simply something out of the tenth slot. We simply don't know. And, that is the key to a good contract negotiation.

But since the Niners have made it clear to the world that they aren't budging, this contract is not going to be signed. Just a stupid, stupid manuever. It puts them, and Crabtree into a box that has no solution, other than one side having to cave in and lose face. This has become a "saving face" situation for both sides, and the Niners have created this situation by going public through secondary and third parties.

Crabtree is an easy target for scorn, but this also shows the organization to have severe problems. They are just as culpable, or more, for this disaster.

There are some many things that can be put on the organization over these past several years but this isn't one of them. Even though WR wasn't their biggest need, he clearly was the highest rated player on their board. Even if he is, and they knew, a "diva", no one could expect a draft pick to sit out the entire season. No matter how great he was in college, still there is greater likelyhood of him being a bust then a pro-bowl caliber player. The 9ers aren't being cheap. And for those who swear he will be great and want the 9ers to cave. The fact is, even if he becomes a great WR, caving in to the 10th pick would have far greater consequences on the team in future drafts.

Originally posted by ninerfan97:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by ObePwnD:

Originally posted by Rikimaru03:

Originally posted by ObePwnD:

Originally posted by ninerfan97:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
The only solution is for Crabtree to change agents and get a deal done then. Parker can say he didn't cave, Crabtree can say he didn't have anything to do with it, and the 49ers can say they didn't want to deal with Parker.

I still don't understand how the 49ers can be so stupid to think that they can just offer one contract and be done with "negotiations." Do the Yorks want to get the approval of the fellow owners? The other owners are laughing at them.

I can garuntee you that the other owners (Jerry Jones excluded) are NOT laughing at the Niners. I'm sure they are VERY thankful to the Yorks for not caving and breaking the slotting system.

If we break, you'll have future rookies all over the league trying to get what THEY THINK they're worth. Every front office in the league would give us the stank eye for opening a can-o-worms.

As already posted in this thread, the can has been opened many times before and the end result is it never caused problems.

Can you recap for us which non-QB's have held out and broke the slotting system?

Originally posted by DonJulio:
I can't believe the amount of hate for the 49ers front office on this particular issue

Originally posted by Adman:
Just heard on Fox by Jay Glazer that the 49es front office sent Crabtree a letter this week saying that if he doesnt report by today that they will modify his contract to a lesser amount.

My assumption is on a per game basis.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
In Schefter's report, he states that the Niners are not budging from the 10th slot. So, we know their contract offer. We don't know what Crabtree is asking (cheers to Parker for keeping this confidential...unlike our organization that leaks information to every newspaper reporter through league sources).

Say what you want about Parker, but he's kept the contract negotiation silent, which allowed for some form of compromise in the end. He could be asking for top 5, top 7 money, or simply something out of the tenth slot. We simply don't know. And, that is the key to a good contract negotiation.

But since the Niners have made it clear to the world that they aren't budging, this contract is not going to be signed. Just a stupid, stupid manuever. It puts them, and Crabtree into a box that has no solution, other than one side having to cave in and lose face. This has become a "saving face" situation for both sides, and the Niners have created this situation by going public through secondary and third parties.

Crabtree is an easy target for scorn, but this also shows the organization to have severe problems. They are just as culpable, or more, for this disaster.

There are some many things that can be put on the organization over these past several years but this isn't one of them. Even though WR wasn't their biggest need, he clearly was the highest rated player on their board. Even if he is, and they knew, a "diva", no one could expect a draft pick to sit out the entire season. No matter how great he was in college, still there is greater likelyhood of him being a bust then a pro-bowl caliber player. The 9ers aren't being cheap. And for those who swear he will be great and want the 9ers to cave. The fact is, even if he becomes a great WR, caving in to the 10th pick would have far greater consequences on the team in future drafts.

My argument is that if they were not willing to think outside the box on his contract, they should have never drafted him in the first place.

I had a very strong hint that Crabtree would never accept 10th slot money, and this looks to be true. The Niners did not understand the perspective Crabtree (whether right or wrong) would carry into contract negotiations, and for them to simply claim ignorance is not good enough.

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
ESPN News says that Michael Crabtree will not sign with 49ers and sit out entire season... reported by Schefter (sp?)

If that's true, it's time to start investigating these tampering charges. A couple extra picks is the best we can hope for at this point. As for Crabtree, I am one of those that hopes his mistake is amplified down the road by severe misfortune. The grass isn't always greener, and in this case I hope it's brown as s**t.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by BigMar:
It's clear, either....

1) Craptree never intended to play for 9ers, Unless he "robbed" them with his contract demand.

2) Craptree was influenced by those 2 teams that Deion said with their "we will pay you 40 Million statement"

3) Craptree recognizes his stat's were generated in a "gimmic college offense", and he knows he only runs a 4.59 40 recognizing he may be the second coming of J.J. Stokes.... so he better get paid Big Time up front.

4.59 40 is meaningless. Q ran in the 4.7's and has been just fine in the NFL. 40 times are overrated.

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Do you guys realize we could essentially get NOTHING for him next March. NADA ZERO ZILCH unless he can negotiate a deal before the trade with them. No team will take him without guarantee that he will put his John Hancock on a deal. Teams won't risk that.

Originally posted by BigMar:
It's clear, either....

1) Craptree never intended to play for 9ers, Unless he "robbed" them with his contract demand.

2) Craptree was influenced by those 2 teams that Deion said with their "we will pay you 40 Million statement"

3) Craptree recognizes his stat's were generated in a "gimmic college offense", and he knows he only runs a 4.59 40 recognizing he may be the second coming of J.J. Stokes.... so he better get paid Big Time up front.

Originally posted by Mex49:
I think it is about time to move this to NFL talk


f**k him


GO NINERS

Originally posted by PTulini:
Just a thought...

I have a feeling that more is going on than meets the eye. More than just the money! (or lack of) I have a feeling Crabtree's ego was bruised by those reports that Coach Singletary made him cry. Maybe as a result of that, Crabtree now refuses to play for us?

Originally posted by MontanaSBGod:

Originally posted by Mex49:
I think it is about time to move this to NFL talk


f**k him


GO NINERS

I Agree - this is Niner talk. Crabgreed is not a niner. I do want to waste my thoughts and emotion whom I never saw in a niner uniform.

Mods - please kindly move this thread to NFL talk. Thank you!