Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by derek_allen_02:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by fc0828:
If he doesn't sign (which at this point who cares) Scot McCloughan should get fired...

He should have done his homework before drafting him... The Browns did, and maybe even the Raiders...

I actually think GM Scot McCloughan will be fired regardless of the outcome.

Saying a GM should get fired because a player is holding out is ridiculous. No matter what you do, you don't know whats going on in the players head. Its just like going to a job interview, your going to tell the person everything they want to hear to make you look good.

Not because of the holdout.

- The inability to acquire and establish a starting caliber QB in 5 years.

- The inability to acquire legit starting O-line talent in 5 years. Baas and Snyder are still question marks, while they got Heitmann from the previous front office. And WTF was it about starting Rachal at RT?

- The inability to acquire or develop legit #1 or #2 WRs for the long-term. Curtis Conways, Johnnie Mortons, and now Issac Bruce (at least a legit one). Crabtree isn't for sure, but he was a no-brainer pick.

- The inability to utilize Vernon Davis effective in the early part of his career. Blame goes on coaching staff, but McCloughan should put more pressure on the staff to play to the strengths of the team.

- The inability to find a legit NT for the 3-4 defense. Sopoaga and Franklin are both backup type players. Sopoaga may even fit better as an NT in the 4-3 defense.

- The inability to find above-average pass rushers in free agency or the draft. Haralson is okay, but there's no one else. Lawson is a question mark, and we kept bringing in repeats like Roderick Green to fill the void. Now we signed Harris, and moved Brooks from ILB to OLB.

- The inability to address the FS position promptly. Roman started way too long when we should have been more proactive in addressing it. Reggie Smith should have immediately been put at FS to compete for the starting spot, and not at CB.

Scot McCloughan factors value in players on if they can play multiple positions instead of if they can play one position at a high level. It's why we suck balls.

There was virtually no talent in SF when Scott showed up. Half the board still wants Alex to have a chance so the claim of not finding a QB in five years is not completely scott's failure. I agree that soap is not the answer at NT and franklin should have been a back up the last couple of years. But short of using a 1st round pick on a NT type what else could scott have done? Overall the niners can compete again. When Scott first arrived there was no chance of winning games against average teams.

There is a night and day difference between this year's team and what Scott had when he first arrived. Scott had to upgrade every position on the field when he got here.

In short the niners could have done a lot worse than Scott M.

I agree

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by derek_allen_02:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by fc0828:
If he doesn't sign (which at this point who cares) Scot McCloughan should get fired...

He should have done his homework before drafting him... The Browns did, and maybe even the Raiders...

I actually think GM Scot McCloughan will be fired regardless of the outcome.

Saying a GM should get fired because a player is holding out is ridiculous. No matter what you do, you don't know whats going on in the players head. Its just like going to a job interview, your going to tell the person everything they want to hear to make you look good.

Not because of the holdout.

- The inability to acquire and establish a starting caliber QB in 5 years.

- The inability to acquire legit starting O-line talent in 5 years. Baas and Snyder are still question marks, while they got Heitmann from the previous front office. And WTF was it about starting Rachal at RT?

- The inability to acquire or develop legit #1 or #2 WRs for the long-term. Curtis Conways, Johnnie Mortons, and now Issac Bruce (at least a legit one). Crabtree isn't for sure, but he was a no-brainer pick.

- The inability to utilize Vernon Davis effective in the early part of his career. Blame goes on coaching staff, but McCloughan should put more pressure on the staff to play to the strengths of the team.

- The inability to find a legit NT for the 3-4 defense. Sopoaga and Franklin are both backup type players. Sopoaga may even fit better as an NT in the 4-3 defense.

- The inability to find above-average pass rushers in free agency or the draft. Haralson is okay, but there's no one else. Lawson is a question mark, and we kept bringing in repeats like Roderick Green to fill the void. Now we signed Harris, and moved Brooks from ILB to OLB.

- The inability to address the FS position promptly. Roman started way too long when we should have been more proactive in addressing it. Reggie Smith should have immediately been put at FS to compete for the starting spot, and not at CB.

Scot McCloughan factors value in players on if they can play multiple positions instead of if they can play one position at a high level. It's why we suck balls.

There was virtually no talent in SF when Scott showed up. Half the board still wants Alex to have a chance so the claim of not finding a QB in five years is not completely scott's failure. I agree that soap is not the answer at NT and franklin should have been a back up the last couple of years. But short of using a 1st round pick on a NT type what else could scott have done? Overall the niners can compete again. When Scott first arrived there was no chance of winning games against average teams.

There is a night and day difference between this year's team and what Scott had when he first arrived. Scott had to upgrade every position on the field when he got here.

In short the niners could have done a lot worse than Scott M.

I agree

same everyoes solution is blame alex and scotty

I'm sorry but I have a 49ers game to watch tomorrow..who is Micheal Crabtree again?

Originally posted by King49er:
I'm sorry but I have a 49ers game to watch tomorrow..who is Micheal Crabtree again?

Some College WR.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by King49er:
I'm sorry but I have a 49ers game to watch tomorrow..who is Micheal Crabtree again?

Some College WR.

why is this thread in Niner Talk anyways?


I thought we could only have threads about "actual" 49ers here?

Isn't this NFL Talk?

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by King49er:
I'm sorry but I have a 49ers game to watch tomorrow..who is Micheal Crabtree again?

Some College WR.

why is this thread in Niner Talk anyways?


I thought we could only have threads about "actual" 49ers here?

Isn't this NFL Talk?

Well, we do own his rights. For now, at least.

Originally posted by fister30:
There was virtually no talent in SF when Scott showed up. Half the board still wants Alex to have a chance so the claim of not finding a QB in five years is not completely scott's failure. I agree that soap is not the answer at NT and franklin should have been a back up the last couple of years. But short of using a 1st round pick on a NT type what else could scott have done? Overall the niners can compete again. When Scott first arrived there was no chance of winning games against average teams.

There is a night and day difference between this year's team and what Scott had when he first arrived. Scott had to upgrade every position on the field when he got here.

In short the niners could have done a lot worse than Scott M.

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Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by King49er:
I'm sorry but I have a 49ers game to watch tomorrow..who is Micheal Crabtree again?

Some College WR.

why is this thread in Niner Talk anyways?


I thought we could only have threads about "actual" 49ers here?

Isn't this NFL Talk?

Well, we do own his rights. For now, at least.

He's an idiot, I don't wanna talk about him anymore, I'm off to bed, I have to get up to watch my team go 1-0 heading home next week to play Seattle


P.S-f**k Kurt Warner and the rest of the Cardinals, Go Niners

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by derek_allen_02:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by fc0828:
If he doesn't sign (which at this point who cares) Scot McCloughan should get fired...

He should have done his homework before drafting him... The Browns did, and maybe even the Raiders...

I actually think GM Scot McCloughan will be fired regardless of the outcome.

Saying a GM should get fired because a player is holding out is ridiculous. No matter what you do, you don't know whats going on in the players head. Its just like going to a job interview, your going to tell the person everything they want to hear to make you look good.

Not because of the holdout.

- The inability to acquire and establish a starting caliber QB in 5 years.

- The inability to acquire legit starting O-line talent in 5 years. Baas and Snyder are still question marks, while they got Heitmann from the previous front office. And WTF was it about starting Rachal at RT?

- The inability to acquire or develop legit #1 or #2 WRs for the long-term. Curtis Conways, Johnnie Mortons, and now Issac Bruce (at least a legit one). Crabtree isn't for sure, but he was a no-brainer pick.

- The inability to utilize Vernon Davis effective in the early part of his career. Blame goes on coaching staff, but McCloughan should put more pressure on the staff to play to the strengths of the team.

- The inability to find a legit NT for the 3-4 defense. Sopoaga and Franklin are both backup type players. Sopoaga may even fit better as an NT in the 4-3 defense.

- The inability to find above-average pass rushers in free agency or the draft. Haralson is okay, but there's no one else. Lawson is a question mark, and we kept bringing in repeats like Roderick Green to fill the void. Now we signed Harris, and moved Brooks from ILB to OLB.

- The inability to address the FS position promptly. Roman started way too long when we should have been more proactive in addressing it. Reggie Smith should have immediately been put at FS to compete for the starting spot, and not at CB.

Scot McCloughan factors value in players on if they can play multiple positions instead of if they can play one position at a high level. It's why we suck balls.

There was virtually no talent in SF when Scott showed up. Half the board still wants Alex to have a chance so the claim of not finding a QB in five years is not completely scott's failure. I agree that soap is not the answer at NT and franklin should have been a back up the last couple of years. But short of using a 1st round pick on a NT type what else could scott have done? Overall the niners can compete again. When Scott first arrived there was no chance of winning games against average teams.

There is a night and day difference between this year's team and what Scott had when he first arrived. Scott had to upgrade every position on the field when he got here.

In short the niners could have done a lot worse than Scott M.

How many General managers in the NFL have done a worse job then Scott M over the last few years?

Take the average diehard Niner fan off the street and tell him he gets to draft in the top ten every yr as well as sign a handful of high dollar free agents (Clements, Justin Smith). He's bound to improve the team a little. The 49ers were dealing with cap issues before Scotty arrived so they were not spending much money in free agency.

Considering the 49ers cap situation and drafting position the past few years our talent increase is something a monkey could have overseen. What did he build exactly? A team that is a sure loser against good teams and finishes below .500 every yr?

Why would we want a GM like Parcells when we can continue to make excuses for finishing below .500 despite playing in the weakest div in the NFL.


Whatever. I hope I'm proven wrong this season.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by King49er:
I'm sorry but I have a 49ers game to watch tomorrow..who is Micheal Crabtree again?

Some College WR.

...who will go in the 2nd round in 2010.

It's obvious he doesn't want to play for us, so f*ck him.

so on the eve of declaring war against the cardys, what tangible statement can be made on the primadonna? he's a lost casue, time for us to let that dog die, he's a douchebag, he aint signing anymore, lets shoot this sick dog in the head and end the suffering...i am fairly negative on the prospects of the niners this season but hell if i am going into it emotianally dependant on a lost cause... we just became the team that didnt sign our pick because he was obsessed with money and didnt want to sign with us because we got a neandrathral approach to offense, time to live with it and move on...michael crabtree is never going to be a niner, the line in the sand has been drawn

Who is this Crabtree guy you are talking about? Nevermind, our Niners are playing today!

move this thread out of Niner Talk until he signs

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:
I really can't believe we wasted a 10th pick. This has happened what, about twice in NFL history for a first rounder? How great that we now seem likely to go on such an exclusive list. I don't care who's fault this is (Crabtree or Parker), we are simply not good enough to have these type of things happen.

I've always thought we should probably settle between 8th and 9th pick money. Screw the other franchises that are looking to us to hold firm on the slotting system. None of those teams are going to bench their top picks when we play them to reward us for sticking to the slotting system. No one is going to offer us extra draft picks for holding firm. In fact, they're more likely to stack the box on Gore when we play them because they know we can't pass. Thus, screw the other teams if we're only talking about the difference between an 8th pick and 10th pick contract. If Crabs will meet us there I say we settle there.

I agree 100 percent. The problem is we needed to make this offer from the get go. If we give in now it looks like we caved and it could really effect us in the future. The sad part is we are taking this great stand on principle and it wont even be an issue after next year as it looks like they will implement a slotting system.....

I am with both of you on this. We are a team that could really use those YAC and if Crabtree were as productive at this level as he was in college it would really help our run game. I don't care what anyone else says we need this kind of talent at WR because it doesn't look like we have anyone who is even close to getting 1000 yds. It's too bad that Al Davis paid so much for DHB but he did ------ we should have stepped out of this stupid slotted system and paid this kid.

We still aren't a good enough team to take this principled approach to staying within the slotted system ------ we still need to add talent.

The sad thing is that Crabtree is still in the area which only tells me that he isn't against playing here but that it is only about the money. None of his former coaches have called him a diva or called him out as ever being a distraction. Trent Dilfer was impressed with his practice session with Crabtree and thought that he was a polished route runner too which is encouraging. So far the only knock on Crabtree is that he thinks that he is worth more money and judging by what he did in college compared to DHB ------ it appears that he might be worth it.

I was hoping that the front office might get this thing done by today.

nobody can possibly know exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but the nfl needs to implement a system where rookie draft picks must sign by the start of training camp so that they can recieve proper training for their jobs as any new hire would do. hell they are rookies so they need the training and their employers need to be fair to the vets and other camp participants so that everybody trains equally and the 53 man rosters are set 4 the players who have earned it. in this instance, crabtree and the 9ers should come 2 a meeting point with the money, with crabtree giving in a lil more than da 9ers. how about 5 yrs 23 mil, 19 mil guaranteed?? i still think our offer was fair initially, but this might allow both sides to save face.