Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Honestly, if the story on Rotoworld is correct, and Parker has been notified that the Niners will not increase their contract offer outside the 10th slot, I think we can pretty much stick a fork in this baby. Crabtree will not play for the 49ers. Another terrific chapter in this disaster we call the 49ers.

youre probably right but you dont know for sure. crabby could wind up deciding that the risk of losing more endorsements, hurting his image, and getting picked later are too much. this could still be a bluff. or he may get bored catching passes from the juggs machine and might want to play. do you remember when sing told him he couldnt practice because of his foot and he cried? my thinking is he logically will cave eventually whether he knows it now or not.

Originally posted by rum53:
From purely a business stand point, it is in Crabtree's best interest to sign the #10 pick deal by Saturday. Once he misses games, the 49ers have every right to reduce the offer because of the games missed.

If he opts to sit out the entire season, he's betting $16M guaranteed that he will be drafted higher than #10 (which is highly unlikely) or that team will trade for and give him a large contract.

There is no situation what-so-ever where Crabtree gets paid the money he thinks he deserves. Assuming the 49ers will not budge on their contract offer, Crabtree has two options:

Sit out season & arrange a trade. Will a NFL team give up a 1st round draft pick to the 49ers and pay Crabtree $30M? That's a high price to pay for a rookie who's been out of football for over a year. I doubt any team will give up both $ and picks for a malcontent WR with no professional experience. The chances are that if a trade happens the contract offered will be similar to the 49ers current offer (which he rejected).

Sit out season & re-enter draft. Remember - out of sight, out of mind. NFL scouts are currently scouting the next crop of rookie WR's as college FB is in full swing. There are several highly touted WR's already putting up big numbers. Also, there are three QB's that can go in the top 10 of next years draft too. The chances of Crabtree going high in the 2010 draft are very low, especially when factoring in the diva perception that's growing with each day of his holdout. The odds that he goes in top 10 is virtually nil.

Both scenarios will likely end with Crabtree getting equal to or less money than the 49ers are currently offering.

From a business stand point, Crabtree is in a terrible situation. The 49ers actually have tremendous leverage over Crabtree right now. If they pull the offer from the table, Crabtree will never receive a rookie contract that exceeds the 49ers current offer. There is no end scenario where he can ever make up the money lost by forgoing the current contract offer. His only hope to recoup the lost money is through outstanding play leading to a gigantic second contract.

Originally posted by teeohh:
oh well, can't miss what you never had

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Honestly, if the story on Rotoworld is correct, and Parker has been notified that the Niners will not increase their contract offer outside the 10th slot, I think we can pretty much stick a fork in this baby. Crabtree will not play for the 49ers. Another terrific chapter in this disaster we call the 49ers.

youre probably right but you dont know for sure. crabby could wind up deciding that the risk of losing more endorsements, hurting his image, and getting picked later are too much. this could still be a bluff. or he may get bored catching passes from the juggs machine and might want to play. do you remember when sing told him he couldnt practice because of his foot and he cried? my thinking is he logically will cave eventually whether he knows it now or not.

Wishful thinking. Do you honestly believe this guy is going to limp in, begging for the team to sign him?

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by teeohh:
oh well, can't miss what you never had

we had the 10th overall selection

i miss that

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by teeohh:
oh well, can't miss what you never had

we had the 10th overall selection

i miss that

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I still wonder why the young man came to Niner HQ for a pre-draft visit on April 6th if he had ZERO intention of accepting #10 money.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I still wonder why the young man came to Niner HQ for a pre-draft visit on April 6th if he had ZERO intention of accepting #10 money.

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by rum53:
From purely a business stand point, it is in Crabtree's best interest to sign the #10 pick deal by Saturday. Once he misses games, the 49ers have every right to reduce the offer because of the games missed.

If he opts to sit out the entire season, he's betting $16M guaranteed that he will be drafted higher than #10 (which is highly unlikely) or that team will trade for and give him a large contract.

There is no situation what-so-ever where Crabtree gets paid the money he thinks he deserves. Assuming the 49ers will not budge on their contract offer, Crabtree has two options:

Sit out season & arrange a trade. Will a NFL team give up a 1st round draft pick to the 49ers and pay Crabtree $30M? That's a high price to pay for a rookie who's been out of football for over a year. I doubt any team will give up both $ and picks for a malcontent WR with no professional experience. The chances are that if a trade happens the contract offered will be similar to the 49ers current offer (which he rejected).

Sit out season & re-enter draft. Remember - out of sight, out of mind. NFL scouts are currently scouting the next crop of rookie WR's as college FB is in full swing. There are several highly touted WR's already putting up big numbers. Also, there are three QB's that can go in the top 10 of next years draft too. The chances of Crabtree going high in the 2010 draft are very low, especially when factoring in the diva perception that's growing with each day of his holdout. The odds that he goes in top 10 is virtually nil.

Both scenarios will likely end with Crabtree getting equal to or less money than the 49ers are currently offering.

From a business stand point, Crabtree is in a terrible situation. The 49ers actually have tremendous leverage over Crabtree right now. If they pull the offer from the table, Crabtree will never receive a rookie contract that exceeds the 49ers current offer. There is no end scenario where he can ever make up the money lost by forgoing the current contract offer. His only hope to recoup the lost money is through outstanding play leading to a gigantic second contract.

Great post!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Honestly, if the story on Rotoworld is correct, and Parker has been notified that the Niners will not increase their contract offer outside the 10th slot, I think we can pretty much stick a fork in this baby. Crabtree will not play for the 49ers. Another terrific chapter in this disaster we call the 49ers.

youre probably right but you dont know for sure. crabby could wind up deciding that the risk of losing more endorsements, hurting his image, and getting picked later are too much. this could still be a bluff. or he may get bored catching passes from the juggs machine and might want to play. do you remember when sing told him he couldnt practice because of his foot and he cried? my thinking is he logically will cave eventually whether he knows it now or not.

Wishful thinking. Do you honestly believe this guy is going to limp in, begging for the team to sign him?

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
But what did Chad Johnson say about Crabtree?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/09000d5d81281dbc/8-minutes-with-Ocho

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I still wonder why the young man came to Niner HQ for a pre-draft visit on April 6th if he had ZERO intention of accepting #10 money.

rumor has it eugene parker said he could get crabs top five money regardless where he was picked