Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by olapac:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by olapac:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/
6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.
Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.
I dont think it would/ should crabs.
If anything he may get DHB money, or a mill more, but he wont crack the top 6
What I meant to say is that the Niners (and us - the fans) can't keep saying he "has" to get paid in his slot. There's proof now that someone has jumped their slot and gotten more money then the guy ahead of him.
Now I still don't think he should get DHB money, but giving more money than the #9 is expected doesn't look so bad now.
Proof NOW????!!!
How about the massive list I provided all this week. This is the dumbest argument that keeps being parroted as the truth by many in the media and many fans.
Cheers
Didn't see the list. Apologies that I don't have time to review every single contract that was ever singed by a rookie. That's why we have you :-)
Regardless, I don't think it's commonplace for a non-QB in the Top 10 to "break" his slot and jump another player in salary. If I'm wrong, so be it.
You're right about this: Crabtree and his agent have the right to ask for any amount they deem fair. And also, the Niners have the right to do the same. But if he wants money greater than DHB, drafted 3 slots ahead of him and was the first WR drafted, I personally don't feel that's reasonable and hope the team holds firm. You can't expect the players to be Physical with an F on the field, then be pushovers in the front office.
And looking further at the deals for Jackson and Curry, it looks like it's not more. Jackson's deal is 5 years; Curry's 6. So if anything, the slotting continues.
My beef is certainly not with you, it is with the collection of unintelligent and/or sloppy journalists who have been propping this ridiculous sanctity of the "slotting". In their goal to embolden the populist rage that Crabtree has no business asking for more money than the normal 10th overall, they have completely neglected to do any form of research.
The low-level, unpaid hack currently typing these words, was able to find more than a dozen examples in the last few years of slotting-violations in about 30 minutes time, ranging from QB's, RB's, WR's, LB's, CB's who received more than players drafted above them. The supposed experts have discussed this about....zero times. Of all people, Ray Ratto, seems to be the only one to have considered the idea that Crabtree's attorney may have a case, as based on historical precedent. Most journalists have trumpeted the idea that Crabtree should stop being greedy, and simply sign.
I guess I am in a fight against sloppiness these days. Sloppiness in journalism, and sloppiness in thought.
It is as if people have completely shut off their brains.
You saw all this this coming, I believe, so it really should be no surprise.
This (Crabtree's holdout and contract demands) has become an emotional issue; the fans are angry. Particularly after Crabtree's cousin's ill considered statements a couple of days ago.
I find that an angry person rarely uses his or her brain to full capacity; they're too busy being angry.
The media simply plays along with it, fuels it, and believes they've done their job, rather than doing the sort of research and reasoning that you're talking about.
I read Ratto's article, and although he makes some valid points, I don't believe he falls into the category of "thoughtful jounalist" either. Most of what he said, the position he has taken, was fueled by his own agenda, which has historically been to take any side that's anti-49er. In this case, he just happened to stumble on a postion that had some logic to it as well. IMHO.
