When will Michael Crabtree be signed?

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

Hold on, cowboy. You are becoming way too angry.

First, ask yourself the question: What do we actually know about his contract demands? Have the Niners stepped forward and told the media what he is expecting? Has Crabtree? Has Parker? There are so many rumors right now about the expected level of compensation, but nobody knows the truth.

Second, I cannot recall one 49ers fan who was angry with the pick back in April because he was labeled a "diva" by someone in the media. Suddenly, once there is a delay in finalizing the contract, he has become a "diva" to Niners' fans. He might be. He might not be. Nobody knows right now, but you have already pinned the label on him. Let's wait and see, and not pass judgment at this point.

Third, a number of the guys in the past who have received unual contracts have jumped numerous slots in their compensation. This may, or may not be the case with Crabtree in his negotiation.

Fourth, as for the statement that Crabtree is preparing to re-enter the draft, a COUSIN decided to flap his lips to a person in the media. It did not come from Crabtree, his agent, or the Niners. Maybe his cousin is an idiot. Maybe he spoke off the cuff. I wouldn't get lathered about it, and state that Crabtree's intent is to go back.

Fifth, his injury you listed is part of the reason why he deserves consideration for not being compensated normally, in that 10th slot. In January, February, and March, Crabtree was considered a prime candidate for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th slots. Due to his injury, it did not allow him to run the 40, participate in the combine or campus workouts. I'll take a wild guess and state that Parker is claiming that a healthy Crabtree would have been drafted much higher, and he has a strong argument in this case.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

Hold on, cowboy. You are becoming way too angry.

First, ask yourself the question: What do we actually know about his contract demands? Have the Niners stepped forward and told the media what he is expecting? Has Crabtree? Has Parker? There are so many rumors right now about the expected level of compensation, but nobody knows the truth.

Second, I cannot recall one 49ers fan who was angry with the pick back in April because he was labeled a "diva" by someone in the media. Suddenly, once there is a delay in finalizing the contract, he has become a "diva" to Niners' fans. He might be. He might not be. Nobody knows right now, but you have already pinned the label on him. Let's wait and see, and not pass judgment at this point.

Third, a number of the guys in the past who have received unual contracts have jumped numerous slots in their compensation. This may, or may not be the case with Crabtree in his negotiation.

Fourth, as for the statement that Crabtree is preparing to re-enter the draft, a COUSIN decided to flap his lips to a person in the media. It did not come from Crabtree, his agent, or the Niners. Maybe his cousin is an idiot. Maybe he spoke off the cuff. I wouldn't get lathered about it, and state that Crabtree's intent is to go back.

Fifth, his injury you listed is part of the reason why he deserves consideration for not being compensated normally, in that 10th slot. In January, February, and March, Crabtree was considered a prime candidate for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th slots. Due to his injury, it did not allow him to run the 40, participate in the combine or campus workouts. I'll take a wild guess and state that Parker is claiming that a healthy Crabtree would have been drafted much higher, and he has a strong argument in this case.

You act like they interviewed his "cousin" at a family reunion. His cousin is his advisor, meaning his threats are coming from Crabtree and his camp, not some 3rd cousin who was asked his opinion on the matter. And we'll see if Parker has an argument, the final details will come out when he signs (or if he doesn't). Personally, I agree with the 49ers stance, 10th is 10th and that's life. If you set the precedent now, it will never end. Every draft you'll be paying 4-5 slots above value. It's BS. Let him re-enter the draft ala Matt White (remember him? Didn't think so) or JD Drew. Drew wound up making less money and the Phils wound up never missing him. It's better than having a diva around.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

Hold on, cowboy. You are becoming way too angry.

First, ask yourself the question: What do we actually know about his contract demands? Have the Niners stepped forward and told the media what he is expecting? Has Crabtree? Has Parker? There are so many rumors right now about the expected level of compensation, but nobody knows the truth.

Second, I cannot recall one 49ers fan who was angry with the pick back in April because he was labeled a "diva" by someone in the media. Suddenly, once there is a delay in finalizing the contract, he has become a "diva" to Niners' fans. He might be. He might not be. Nobody knows right now, but you have already pinned the label on him. Let's wait and see, and not pass judgment at this point.

Third, a number of the guys in the past who have received unual contracts have jumped numerous slots in their compensation. This may, or may not be the case with Crabtree in his negotiation.

Fourth, as for the statement that Crabtree is preparing to re-enter the draft, a COUSIN decided to flap his lips to a person in the media. It did not come from Crabtree, his agent, or the Niners. Maybe his cousin is an idiot. Maybe he spoke off the cuff. I wouldn't get lathered about it, and state that Crabtree's intent is to go back.

Fifth, his injury you listed is part of the reason why he deserves consideration for not being compensated normally, in that 10th slot. In January, February, and March, Crabtree was considered a prime candidate for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th slots. Due to his injury, it did not allow him to run the 40, participate in the combine or campus workouts. I'll take a wild guess and state that Parker is claiming that a healthy Crabtree would have been drafted much higher, and he has a strong argument in this case.

MD Not sure that he has such a strong argument. Lets take the argument to a logical conclusion. We drafted Ty Streets the other year, took him if memory serves in the 7th. It was thought he would go in tthe first couple of rounds if healthy, but he had picked up a serious injury (way more serious than Crabtree).

These rookie contracts do not exactly leave them destitute. And for most quality NFL players the second contract is the real earner.

Crabtree dropped to the 10th. And that is the only hard fact. Whether or not he was the best receiver in the draft, whether or not the injury will affect him, whether or not he can make the transition to the NFL is speculation.

I don't want us to overpay 1st rounders nor to get a reputation with the agents as being soft touches. For Crabtree, what is done is done. He WAS injured, he was taken 10th and come what may he isn't going to starve. But if he holds out till the next draft I think he will end up with an inferior contract from his next team.

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

not a huge difference, but these deals are not totally comparable. Curry's deal was a 6yr deal where Jackson's was 5 yrs.

my problem with the deal that crabtree is supposedly seaking is that he is trying to jump at least 4 spots in slotting money (assumimg he is looking to leap DHB). i am ok with paying him a little more than he deserves given his slot and his injury, like maybe ~2 mm in additional guarantees, something more typical when a guy is getting more than what his slot dictates, but I don't understand the argument for wanting such a large increase over what he deserves.

[ Edited by alburns on Aug 9, 2009 at 10:48:57 ]

I appear to have left out of my previous post the comment that surely Streets did not ustify money based on his expectations, but on what actually happened, which was being taken in the 7th.

Damn this cider!

Originally posted by jnew62:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

Hold on, cowboy. You are becoming way too angry.

First, ask yourself the question: What do we actually know about his contract demands? Have the Niners stepped forward and told the media what he is expecting? Has Crabtree? Has Parker? There are so many rumors right now about the expected level of compensation, but nobody knows the truth.

Second, I cannot recall one 49ers fan who was angry with the pick back in April because he was labeled a "diva" by someone in the media. Suddenly, once there is a delay in finalizing the contract, he has become a "diva" to Niners' fans. He might be. He might not be. Nobody knows right now, but you have already pinned the label on him. Let's wait and see, and not pass judgment at this point.

Third, a number of the guys in the past who have received unual contracts have jumped numerous slots in their compensation. This may, or may not be the case with Crabtree in his negotiation.

Fourth, as for the statement that Crabtree is preparing to re-enter the draft, a COUSIN decided to flap his lips to a person in the media. It did not come from Crabtree, his agent, or the Niners. Maybe his cousin is an idiot. Maybe he spoke off the cuff. I wouldn't get lathered about it, and state that Crabtree's intent is to go back.

Fifth, his injury you listed is part of the reason why he deserves consideration for not being compensated normally, in that 10th slot. In January, February, and March, Crabtree was considered a prime candidate for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th slots. Due to his injury, it did not allow him to run the 40, participate in the combine or campus workouts. I'll take a wild guess and state that Parker is claiming that a healthy Crabtree would have been drafted much higher, and he has a strong argument in this case.

You act like they interviewed his "cousin" at a family reunion. His cousin is his advisor, meaning his threats are coming from Crabtree and his camp, not some 3rd cousin who was asked his opinion on the matter. And we'll see if Parker has an argument, the final details will come out when he signs (or if he doesn't). Personally, I agree with the 49ers stance, 10th is 10th and that's life. If you set the precedent now, it will never end. Every draft you'll be paying 4-5 slots above value. It's BS. Let him re-enter the draft ala Matt White (remember him? Didn't think so) or JD Drew. Drew wound up making less money and the Phils wound up never missing him. It's better than having a diva around.

Whether it was done deliberately or not, the fact is that neither Parker nor Crabtree himself made the statement about holding out, and Parker has subsequently denied and debunked the statement. We have heard no further threats of the same kind, or anything else for that matter, from the cousin.

It is not entirely impossible that the statement was made by the cousin as an angry defense of a family member, without permission or authorization, tacit or not, from anyone. Given the abundant stupidity of the statement, that's not an unlikely scenario.

Further, I haven't heard any official announcement from the 49ers that they are offering 10th slot money, no more, no less. If such a statement were issued, or leaked, it would also have to be considered posturing.

I fully expect Crabtree's deal to be reached shortly--early this week. I would not be surprised if it were to include some very generous incentive clauses, nor would I be shocked it it were somewhat above the average 10th slot amount in guaranteed money.

Face it, Crab is probably worth more than "10th slot money," altho he's probably not worth as much as he and his agent believe.

Hence the need for some incentive clauses to make both sides happy.

Here's some suggestions: Pay him a bit more than "10th slot money" and give him an additional million for every TD he scores in the regular season, up to $10m, and/or an additional $5m if he surpasses 1,000 yards receiving this year, $10m if he surpasses 1,500 yards receiving, etc. Then we can all watch to see if he becomes NFL Rookie of the Year (another $5m incentive).

Originally posted by English:
I appear to have left out of my previous post the comment that surely Streets did not ustify money based on his expectations, but on what actually happened, which was being taken in the 7th.

Damn this cider!

LOL. Does the cider ustify ur spelling, too. Sounds like you're having an enjoyable time.

Your point is well taken. Like Streets, Crabs may have to settle, eventually, for 10th slot money, because that is, after all is said and done, where he was taken.

I see any impasse over this being settled by way of adding incentive clauses. If Crabs is as good as he thinks he is, then an incentive clause based on the number of yards he gains, or the number of TDs he scores, would increase his earnings based on merit, and he'd still get his "slotted" salary in case he is unable to produce like he thinks he can. A win, win situation.

Have another cider, on me.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by English:
I appear to have left out of my previous post the comment that surely Streets did not ustify money based on his expectations, but on what actually happened, which was being taken in the 7th.

Damn this cider!

LOL. Does the cider ustify ur spelling, too. Sounds like you're having an enjoyable time.

Your point is well taken. Like Streets, Crabs may have to settle, eventually, for 10th slot money, because that is, after all is said and done, where he was taken.

I see any impasse over this being settled by way of adding incentive clauses. If Crabs is as good as he thinks he is, then an incentive clause based on the number of yards he gains, or the number of TDs he scores, would increase his earnings based on merit, and he'd still get his "slotted" salary in case he is unable to produce like he thinks he can. A win, win situation.

Have another cider, on me.

Happy to do that. I shall toast your health. And I really hope he does sign fairly soon. As I said, I think he will lose if he drops into the next draft but so will we, arguably more so.

Cheers!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by English:
I appear to have left out of my previous post the comment that surely Streets did not ustify money based on his expectations, but on what actually happened, which was being taken in the 7th.

Damn this cider!

LOL. Does the cider ustify ur spelling, too. Sounds like you're having an enjoyable time.

Your point is well taken. Like Streets, Crabs may have to settle, eventually, for 10th slot money, because that is, after all is said and done, where he was taken.

I see any impasse over this being settled by way of adding incentive clauses. If Crabs is as good as he thinks he is, then an incentive clause based on the number of yards he gains, or the number of TDs he scores, would increase his earnings based on merit, and he'd still get his "slotted" salary in case he is unable to produce like he thinks he can. A win, win situation.

Have another cider, on me.

Happy to do that. I shall toast your health. And I really hope he does sign fairly soon. As I said, I think he will lose if he drops into the next draft but so will we, arguably more so.

Cheers!

No question he loses if he holds out a year. $16m or so that he'll NEVER see. No one is that stupid, except, apparently, his cousin.

Its a bit early here, so I shall join you and toast to your health, but with an "Arnold Palmer."

This time next week, we shall have the preseason to enjoy. Here's to kicking some Bronco butt, especially their defense, all around the Stick on Friday night.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by English:
I appear to have left out of my previous post the comment that surely Streets did not ustify money based on his expectations, but on what actually happened, which was being taken in the 7th.

Damn this cider!

LOL. Does the cider ustify ur spelling, too. Sounds like you're having an enjoyable time.

Your point is well taken. Like Streets, Crabs may have to settle, eventually, for 10th slot money, because that is, after all is said and done, where he was taken.

I see any impasse over this being settled by way of adding incentive clauses. If Crabs is as good as he thinks he is, then an incentive clause based on the number of yards he gains, or the number of TDs he scores, would increase his earnings based on merit, and he'd still get his "slotted" salary in case he is unable to produce like he thinks he can. A win, win situation.

Have another cider, on me.

Happy to do that. I shall toast your health. And I really hope he does sign fairly soon. As I said, I think he will lose if he drops into the next draft but so will we, arguably more so.

Cheers!

No question he loses if he holds out a year. $16m or so that he'll NEVER see. No one is that stupid, except, apparently, his cousin.

Its a bit early here, so I shall join you and toast to your health, but with an "Arnold Palmer."

This time next week, we shall have the preseason to enjoy. Here's to kicking some Bronco butt, especially their defense, all around the Stick on Friday night.

Hear, hear!!!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

Hold on, cowboy. You are becoming way too angry.

First, ask yourself the question: What do we actually know about his contract demands? Have the Niners stepped forward and told the media what he is expecting? Has Crabtree? Has Parker? There are so many rumors right now about the expected level of compensation, but nobody knows the truth.

Second, I cannot recall one 49ers fan who was angry with the pick back in April because he was labeled a "diva" by someone in the media. Suddenly, once there is a delay in finalizing the contract, he has become a "diva" to Niners' fans. He might be. He might not be. Nobody knows right now, but you have already pinned the label on him. Let's wait and see, and not pass judgment at this point.

Third, a number of the guys in the past who have received unual contracts have jumped numerous slots in their compensation. This may, or may not be the case with Crabtree in his negotiation.

Fourth, as for the statement that Crabtree is preparing to re-enter the draft, a COUSIN decided to flap his lips to a person in the media. It did not come from Crabtree, his agent, or the Niners. Maybe his cousin is an idiot. Maybe he spoke off the cuff. I wouldn't get lathered about it, and state that Crabtree's intent is to go back.

Fifth, his injury you listed is part of the reason why he deserves consideration for not being compensated normally, in that 10th slot. In January, February, and March, Crabtree was considered a prime candidate for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th slots. Due to his injury, it did not allow him to run the 40, participate in the combine or campus workouts. I'll take a wild guess and state that Parker is claiming that a healthy Crabtree would have been drafted much higher, and he has a strong argument in this case.

He is asking for top 5 money here is what the 5th guy got last year
Glenn Dorsey Signed 5 years, $51 million ($23M guaranteed)

here is what the 10th guy got
Jerod Mayo Signed 5 years, $18.9 million ($13.8M guaranteed)

51/18.9=2.7 So for his overall salary he is asking for 2.7 times what his slot should get.

$18.9 million ($13.8M guaranteed) Thats alot of god damn money, If this chump doesnt take what he`s slotted to get i really dont care if he re-enters the draft. He will probly fall to atleast the 2nd round and will be like the 4th-5th receiver taken.... But if he pulls his head out of his ass and gets his ass to camp I hope clements knocks him for a loop in practice!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by philmo:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by olapac:
Aaron Curry just signed...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/08/seahawks-get-curry-under-contract/

6 years, 60 million, with 34 guaranteed.

Hope this isn't a bad sign for us trying to get Crab in. Curry, at 4, got more money than Tyson Jackson at 3. So there is now an example of a non-QB in the top ten getting more money than a guy drafted ahead of him.

Whoa!! Hold on!!!

Shut down the NFL right now!! Aaron Curry, the 4th overall, received more money that Tyson Jackson, the 3rd overall. There should be rioting in the streets!! The media should be furious!! Fans across the NFL should be up in arms!!!

How dare Crabtree receive more money than the players above him!!!! He must bow to the 10th overall pick gods!!!!

Case #4567893 of how many in the media are dumb as bricks over this matter. Their populist, and stupid rants, which appeal to the lowest morons in the universe, gets shot down once again.

Sloppiness sucks. Crabtree's agent has every right to appeal for a salary beyond the normal tenth overall pick.

P.S. Looking for intelligent writers in the NFL to debunk this stupid "Crabtree must fall into the tenth slot" argument. The exception list to the sanctity of the slotting grew one more just today. Very strange that Ray Ratto, for once in his career, seems to get it.

Would you quit posting stuff like this, we all know that some players get paid higher than their slot or the player ahead of him. But the reason people are so mad at Crabtree is because he is a diva, is coming off an injury, and is not asking for a little bit more or just making more than the guy ahead of him, he is trying to get two to three times more than his slot. He is trying to get more than the player picked three slots ahead of him. So it is not the same thing. By the way another thing I believe that got people so mad, is they wanted to believe Crabs wasn't such a diva, but we are finding out he probably is just as bad or even worse than we thought. Oh and Crabs is the only one to have someone say he is willing to re-enter the draft(yes I know his agent said it's not true, but the fact is, it did come from someone from his camp).

Hold on, cowboy. You are becoming way too angry.

First, ask yourself the question: What do we actually know about his contract demands? Have the Niners stepped forward and told the media what he is expecting? Has Crabtree? Has Parker? There are so many rumors right now about the expected level of compensation, but nobody knows the truth.

Second, I cannot recall one 49ers fan who was angry with the pick back in April because he was labeled a "diva" by someone in the media. Suddenly, once there is a delay in finalizing the contract, he has become a "diva" to Niners' fans. He might be. He might not be. Nobody knows right now, but you have already pinned the label on him. Let's wait and see, and not pass judgment at this point.

Third, a number of the guys in the past who have received unual contracts have jumped numerous slots in their compensation. This may, or may not be the case with Crabtree in his negotiation.

Fourth, as for the statement that Crabtree is preparing to re-enter the draft, a COUSIN decided to flap his lips to a person in the media. It did not come from Crabtree, his agent, or the Niners. Maybe his cousin is an idiot. Maybe he spoke off the cuff. I wouldn't get lathered about it, and state that Crabtree's intent is to go back.

Fifth, his injury you listed is part of the reason why he deserves consideration for not being compensated normally, in that 10th slot. In January, February, and March, Crabtree was considered a prime candidate for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th slots. Due to his injury, it did not allow him to run the 40, participate in the combine or campus workouts. I'll take a wild guess and state that Parker is claiming that a healthy Crabtree would have been drafted much higher, and he has a strong argument in this case.

1. You are right on this, so far it is all rumors and we really don't know what is happening, but right now all we can go on is rumors so that is what all we can really base numbers on right now.

2. I for one didn't want Crabtree, because I hate Diva's, I am sure other people felt this way. I have to admit after we picked him I persuaded myself to like the pick and hope that he wasn't a diva, since he is a niner and I was hoping for the best. Now this contract holdout might just be a coincidence and he might not be a diva, but I think at the very least it puts those question marks of his diva status back up again and it makes it look more and more likely he really is.

3. You are right, players have received more than their slots in the past, but listening to the rumors it seems he is asking a lot more than the usual player who got more was asking for.

4. I know it was his cousin/advisor who said this, but the fact is he said it. Before the draft Crabtree's biggest concern was he was a diva and had an entourage with people giving him bad advice. Since his cousin did say this it again raises the question of his diva status and gives merit to him having a posse giving him bad advice.

5. I think people are not thinking of his injury as serious as it could be. This was from my knowledge a foot fracture that needed microfracture surgery. Now this isn't as bad as a knee injury which requires microfracture surgery, but it is still something that could come back and bother him throughout his career. The fact is he has an injury risk. The argument that if he didn't get hurt is a bad one, the injury should an does drop his status, because he there is more of a risk of him re-injuring it and he might come back a little slower or might not be able to make cuts as good. Remember Frank Gore? After his freshman year he looked like a sure top 3 pick, becuase of injuries and risk he fell to the 3rd round. A better comparison is probably McGahee, I know his injury was much worse than Crabs, but he was looking like a top 3 pick and fell to the 20's. So it is not like you give him money based on if he wasn't injured, becuaue that risk is still there.

The problem with Divas in general and Crabtree in particular is that they have no sense of their own self worth. Crabtree is coming off an injury; does not know the playbook; and is not familiar with our QBs. Is he just going to come on the field and shake the house down with raw talent??? Ask Vernon Davis or Jamarcus Russell. If you get playing time and develop into a fabulous TEAM (it is a team sport--it is not all about Crabtree or any other Diva) player, you will get paid whatever you want. Sitting out is a self-defeating and self-fulfilling act.

so im still going to say Wednesday