Vernon Davis "is the focal point"

Originally posted by AKfanster:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by AKfanster:
"focal point" huh??? Hope he learns how to catch...........

What was it? Five drops for 52 receptions?

And how many did he short arm???? Those don't even count as "drops"

You tell us how many. I remember 1 that was debatable.

I can only think of one play during the entire season where there was a debatable "short arm."

I think people have burrs up their butts about Vernon Davis because of how he looks, how he acts and where he was picked. Yes, he has control over how he acts and some control over how he looks, but it's not his fault that he was picked sixth. And, if the Niners hadn't picked him, someone else would have picked him in the first 10 anyway because he is a stone freak.

Don't we hear this every year? The last two years, every other article was talking about how Davis was going to have a monster year.

Personally, I am really hoping "Bear" turns out to be something good. I mean I hope Davis does too, but right now I have more hope for "Bear".

Originally posted by the_admiral:
Don't we hear this every year? The last two years, every other article was talking about how Davis was going to have a monster year.

Personally, I am really hoping "Bear" turns out to be something good. I mean I hope Davis does too, but right now I have more hope for "Bear".

You have more hope for our big slow cowboy?

Hmmmm... I think you just like his name.

Originally posted by the_admiral:
Don't we hear this every year? The last two years, every other article was talking about how Davis was going to have a monster year.

Personally, I am really hoping "Bear" turns out to be something good. I mean I hope Davis does too, but right now I have more hope for "Bear".

Yeah, I hear Bear is being inducted into the OTA Hall of Fame next month. Thomas Clayton's giving the introduction speech.

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by the_admiral:
Don't we hear this every year? The last two years, every other article was talking about how Davis was going to have a monster year.

Personally, I am really hoping "Bear" turns out to be something good. I mean I hope Davis does too, but right now I have more hope for "Bear".

You have more hope for our big slow cowboy?

Hmmmm... I think you just like his name.

You may be right. It may be the name and the fact that Davis isn't flexible enough to lift his arms above his head.

Or all the glowing reports of "Bear" being this great catcher may be a plant to light a fire under Davis arse. As long as someone catches the ball.

Originally posted by the_admiral:

It may be the name and the fact that Davis isn't flexible enough to lift his arms above his head.

Or all the glowing reports of "Bear" being this great catcher may be a plant to light a fire under Davis arse. As long as someone catches the ball.

Let's try to keep up. Every single report coming out of the OTA's were that Davis had slimmed down and looked more flexible. Is it possible Davis and his coaches are smart enough to understand that his weight lifting was hurting his flexibility. I'm guessing yes. And, it looks like Raye is using Davis in a much more intelligent way if you can believe Barrows' take on practices.

Originally posted by the_admiral:
Don't we hear this every year? The last two years, every other article was talking about how Davis was going to have a monster year.

Personally, I am really hoping "Bear" turns out to be something good. I mean I hope Davis does too, but right now I have more hope for "Bear".

yes we do

Look at this... It's fantasy based but still good news for us................

This blog post probably won't be popular. But if you remove the 2008 blinders, it's clear that Vernon Davis' situation has improved dramatically since 2008. There are plenty of reasons to believe he'll be a big factor in San Francisco's new offense and an excellent late-round fantasy value.

1. Davis has already proven that he can be valuable in fantasy. There is a perception that Davis has done nothing in the league, that he's a complete bust. This is false. Despite playing in a rotation with Eric Johnson and missing two games in 2007, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns to finish as the fantasy TE14 overall. This, mind you, was in a historically poor offense coordinated by Norv Turner-replacement Jim Hostler. Hostler was removed in favor of Mike Martz following the season.


2. Davis is an every-down tight end. Adding to the previous point, Davis has a lot of NFL value. Even while playing disgruntled in Martz's tight end-unfriendly offense last season, Davis dominated in the running game. And as Football Scientist K.C. Joyner points out Davis was devastating at the point of attack after Mike Singletary took over in Week 8. The Niners did not look to challenge Davis this offseason, drafting only sixth-rounder Bear Pascoe to replace backup Billy Bajema. Davis will rarely come off the field.

3. Martz is gone. This is easily the biggest plus for Davis. Fantasy projectors should've known better than to expect Davis to build on his promising 2007 under Martz. The most productive TE Martz had ever coached was Ernie Conwell in 2001 (38 catches/431 yards/4 TDs). Mike Martz tight ends block and run occasional vertical routes. Outside receivers catch the passes.

4. Jimmy Raye is in. Raye runs a Norv Turner-style offense (think Jay Novacek, Antonio Gates) that will use the TE heavily in the passing game. The Jets' running backs coach last year, Raye's offense in New York saw rookie Dustin Keller catch 35 passes in the last eight games. Some comments from Raye on Davis:

My initial thought going in, just like with (Tony) Gonzalez at Kansas City, is he is a threat at that position - a nightmare for some teams. We'll exploit that to its maximum ability. I would expect he will be a major part of what we do.

5. Davis will come cheaply in fantasy drafts. He's the perfect flier pick to pair with a risky starter like Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, or John Carlson. Davis' ceiling is much higher than Heath Miller, Visanthe Shiancoe, Kevin Boss, Todd Heap, or Anthony Fasano.

Davis, or more accurately Mike Martz, burned a lot of fantasy owners last season, but Singletary and Raye are intent on getting a lot out of the physical freak. According to beat reporter Matthew Barrows, "The philosophy regarding Davis this year seems to be the opposite of what it was last summer: Just get the ball into his hands, even if it's a short pass, and let him gain yardage with his feet." That's a recipe for fantasy value.

Word!!! Lets see what happens!

Originally posted by batmaninvegas:
Look at this... It's fantasy based but still good news for us................

This blog post probably won't be popular. But if you remove the 2008 blinders, it's clear that Vernon Davis' situation has improved dramatically since 2008. There are plenty of reasons to believe he'll be a big factor in San Francisco's new offense and an excellent late-round fantasy value.

1. Davis has already proven that he can be valuable in fantasy. There is a perception that Davis has done nothing in the league, that he's a complete bust. This is false. Despite playing in a rotation with Eric Johnson and missing two games in 2007, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns to finish as the fantasy TE14 overall. This, mind you, was in a historically poor offense coordinated by Norv Turner-replacement Jim Hostler. Hostler was removed in favor of Mike Martz following the season.


2. Davis is an every-down tight end. Adding to the previous point, Davis has a lot of NFL value. Even while playing disgruntled in Martz's tight end-unfriendly offense last season, Davis dominated in the running game. And as Football Scientist K.C. Joyner points out Davis was devastating at the point of attack after Mike Singletary took over in Week 8. The Niners did not look to challenge Davis this offseason, drafting only sixth-rounder Bear Pascoe to replace backup Billy Bajema. Davis will rarely come off the field.

3. Martz is gone. This is easily the biggest plus for Davis. Fantasy projectors should've known better than to expect Davis to build on his promising 2007 under Martz. The most productive TE Martz had ever coached was Ernie Conwell in 2001 (38 catches/431 yards/4 TDs). Mike Martz tight ends block and run occasional vertical routes. Outside receivers catch the passes.

4. Jimmy Raye is in. Raye runs a Norv Turner-style offense (think Jay Novacek, Antonio Gates) that will use the TE heavily in the passing game. The Jets' running backs coach last year, Raye's offense in New York saw rookie Dustin Keller catch 35 passes in the last eight games. Some comments from Raye on Davis:

My initial thought going in, just like with (Tony) Gonzalez at Kansas City, is he is a threat at that position - a nightmare for some teams. We'll exploit that to its maximum ability. I would expect he will be a major part of what we do.

5. Davis will come cheaply in fantasy drafts. He's the perfect flier pick to pair with a risky starter like Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, or John Carlson. Davis' ceiling is much higher than Heath Miller, Visanthe Shiancoe, Kevin Boss, Todd Heap, or Anthony Fasano.

Davis, or more accurately Mike Martz, burned a lot of fantasy owners last season, but Singletary and Raye are intent on getting a lot out of the physical freak. According to beat reporter Matthew Barrows, "The philosophy regarding Davis this year seems to be the opposite of what it was last summer: Just get the ball into his hands, even if it's a short pass, and let him gain yardage with his feet." That's a recipe for fantasy value.

Word!!! Lets see what happens!

Who cares about fantasy,I want to see him light a fire on O this year,no if's and's or butt's....

Originally posted by batmaninvegas:
Look at this... It's fantasy based but still good news for us................

This blog post probably won't be popular. But if you remove the 2008 blinders, it's clear that Vernon Davis' situation has improved dramatically since 2008. There are plenty of reasons to believe he'll be a big factor in San Francisco's new offense and an excellent late-round fantasy value.

1. Davis has already proven that he can be valuable in fantasy. There is a perception that Davis has done nothing in the league, that he's a complete bust. This is false. Despite playing in a rotation with Eric Johnson and missing two games in 2007, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns to finish as the fantasy TE14 overall. This, mind you, was in a historically poor offense coordinated by Norv Turner-replacement Jim Hostler. Hostler was removed in favor of Mike Martz following the season.


2. Davis is an every-down tight end. Adding to the previous point, Davis has a lot of NFL value. Even while playing disgruntled in Martz's tight end-unfriendly offense last season, Davis dominated in the running game. And as Football Scientist K.C. Joyner points out Davis was devastating at the point of attack after Mike Singletary took over in Week 8. The Niners did not look to challenge Davis this offseason, drafting only sixth-rounder Bear Pascoe to replace backup Billy Bajema. Davis will rarely come off the field.

3. Martz is gone. This is easily the biggest plus for Davis. Fantasy projectors should've known better than to expect Davis to build on his promising 2007 under Martz. The most productive TE Martz had ever coached was Ernie Conwell in 2001 (38 catches/431 yards/4 TDs). Mike Martz tight ends block and run occasional vertical routes. Outside receivers catch the passes.

4. Jimmy Raye is in. Raye runs a Norv Turner-style offense (think Jay Novacek, Antonio Gates) that will use the TE heavily in the passing game. The Jets' running backs coach last year, Raye's offense in New York saw rookie Dustin Keller catch 35 passes in the last eight games. Some comments from Raye on Davis:

My initial thought going in, just like with (Tony) Gonzalez at Kansas City, is he is a threat at that position - a nightmare for some teams. We'll exploit that to its maximum ability. I would expect he will be a major part of what we do.

5. Davis will come cheaply in fantasy drafts. He's the perfect flier pick to pair with a risky starter like Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, or John Carlson. Davis' ceiling is much higher than Heath Miller, Visanthe Shiancoe, Kevin Boss, Todd Heap, or Anthony Fasano.

Davis, or more accurately Mike Martz, burned a lot of fantasy owners last season, but Singletary and Raye are intent on getting a lot out of the physical freak. According to beat reporter Matthew Barrows, "The philosophy regarding Davis this year seems to be the opposite of what it was last summer: Just get the ball into his hands, even if it's a short pass, and let him gain yardage with his feet." That's a recipe for fantasy value.

Word!!! Lets see what happens!

Quote:
Despite playing in a rotation with Eric Johnson and missing two games in 2007, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns to finish as the fantasy TE14 overall

I quit reading after that!

[ Edited by krizay on Jun 3, 2009 at 13:20:30 ]

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by batmaninvegas:
Look at this... It's fantasy based but still good news for us................

This blog post probably won't be popular. But if you remove the 2008 blinders, it's clear that Vernon Davis' situation has improved dramatically since 2008. There are plenty of reasons to believe he'll be a big factor in San Francisco's new offense and an excellent late-round fantasy value.

1. Davis has already proven that he can be valuable in fantasy. There is a perception that Davis has done nothing in the league, that he's a complete bust. This is false. Despite playing in a rotation with Eric Johnson and missing two games in 2007, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns to finish as the fantasy TE14 overall. This, mind you, was in a historically poor offense coordinated by Norv Turner-replacement Jim Hostler. Hostler was removed in favor of Mike Martz following the season.


2. Davis is an every-down tight end. Adding to the previous point, Davis has a lot of NFL value. Even while playing disgruntled in Martz's tight end-unfriendly offense last season, Davis dominated in the running game. And as Football Scientist K.C. Joyner points out Davis was devastating at the point of attack after Mike Singletary took over in Week 8. The Niners did not look to challenge Davis this offseason, drafting only sixth-rounder Bear Pascoe to replace backup Billy Bajema. Davis will rarely come off the field.

3. Martz is gone. This is easily the biggest plus for Davis. Fantasy projectors should've known better than to expect Davis to build on his promising 2007 under Martz. The most productive TE Martz had ever coached was Ernie Conwell in 2001 (38 catches/431 yards/4 TDs). Mike Martz tight ends block and run occasional vertical routes. Outside receivers catch the passes.

4. Jimmy Raye is in. Raye runs a Norv Turner-style offense (think Jay Novacek, Antonio Gates) that will use the TE heavily in the passing game. The Jets' running backs coach last year, Raye's offense in New York saw rookie Dustin Keller catch 35 passes in the last eight games. Some comments from Raye on Davis:

My initial thought going in, just like with (Tony) Gonzalez at Kansas City, is he is a threat at that position - a nightmare for some teams. We'll exploit that to its maximum ability. I would expect he will be a major part of what we do.

5. Davis will come cheaply in fantasy drafts. He's the perfect flier pick to pair with a risky starter like Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, or John Carlson. Davis' ceiling is much higher than Heath Miller, Visanthe Shiancoe, Kevin Boss, Todd Heap, or Anthony Fasano.

Davis, or more accurately Mike Martz, burned a lot of fantasy owners last season, but Singletary and Raye are intent on getting a lot out of the physical freak. According to beat reporter Matthew Barrows, "The philosophy regarding Davis this year seems to be the opposite of what it was last summer: Just get the ball into his hands, even if it's a short pass, and let him gain yardage with his feet." That's a recipe for fantasy value.

Word!!! Lets see what happens!

Quote:
Despite playing in a rotation with Eric Johnson and missing two games in 2007, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns to finish as the fantasy TE14 overall

I quit reading after that!

I'm surprised you read it in the first place

At the risk of starting a debate I don't want to get into.

2005
Courtney Anderson 24 catches, 303 yards, 3 td
Randal Williams 13, 164,0

2004
Doug Jolley 27, 313, 2
Courtney Anderson 13, 175,1
Teyo Johnson 9,131,2

2001
Zeron Flemister 18,196,2
Stephen Alexander 9,85,0


2000
Tony Gonzalez 93, 1203, 9
Troy Drayton 8,70,2
Jason Dunn 2,26,0

1999
Tony Gonzalez 76,849,11

1998
Tony Gonzalez 59,621,2

1991
Jim Price 35,410,2


1986
Jimmie Giles 18,178,1

1985
Jimmie Giles 43,673,8

1984
David Hill 31,300,1



I remember seeing how Norv loved TE's based off of Jay Novacek despite his history. Now it appears you guys are clinging to the Tony Gonzalez as evidence despite everyone else.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
I can only think of one play during the entire season where there was a debatable "short arm."

I think people have burrs up their butts about Vernon Davis because of how he looks, how he acts and where he was picked. Yes, he has control over how he acts and some control over how he looks, but it's not his fault that he was picked sixth. And, if the Niners hadn't picked him, someone else would have picked him in the first 10 anyway because he is a stone freak.

Certainly somebody would have picked him real high. Originally there was talk of him going in the top 4 picks. 6 was not a reach. Where he was taken is independent of how he has played as a pro. Because you didn't have that information then. At the time he was a legitimate top 10 pick and maybe even top 5.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by the_admiral:

It may be the name and the fact that Davis isn't flexible enough to lift his arms above his head.

Or all the glowing reports of "Bear" being this great catcher may be a plant to light a fire under Davis arse. As long as someone catches the ball.

Let's try to keep up. Every single report coming out of the OTA's were that Davis had slimmed down and looked more flexible. Is it possible Davis and his coaches are smart enough to understand that his weight lifting was hurting his flexibility. I'm guessing yes. And, it looks like Raye is using Davis in a much more intelligent way if you can believe Barrows' take on practices.

Lifting doesn't hurt your flexibility. I'd say Davis is pretty damn flexible. If he can run a 4.38 and jump about 45 - 50 inches in the air I'd say that takes flexibility. His problem is mental lapses in catching the ball. Sometimes he catches it fine and other times he drops it or short arms it. IMO I think it is mental rather than physical.