QB Competition

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
It blows my mind that people are trying to argue that it was obvious Steve Young was going to be a great QB. As I recall, most fans hated the idea of bringing Young in. Most fans were outraged that Walsh would bring in this upstart bust to challenge Montana. I don't remember ANYONE predicting that he would be great. There were nothing but complaints about Young for years - happy feet, scrambling instead of staying in the pocket, too freaky, not having fun, doesn't have the "instincts," etc. etc.

Bingo. And Bravo.

Just shows that about 95% of the fans dont have a damn clue what they are talking about....
That probly goes for about 75% of the so called pros too...

I don't care what any of you say about Alex. 4 OC's in 4 years will have a negative effect on any young QB. Continuity is the key! Whether he is named the starter out of training camp or not, Alex's time will come. He just needs to keep working hard and prepare himself. I have a feeling we will see a big difference in Alex this season!

Originally posted by PTulini:
KNBR Interview with Matt Maiocco (07/07/09)

ENJOY!!!

Originally posted by yoyo49:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by yoyo49:


Really? So you actually watched Tampa Bay games in 1985 and 86? Back when there was only regional coverage, no internet, and no NFL sunday ticket? So how did you know Young was a more consistent then Smith if it was near impossible to see Young play at that time? (unless you lived in florida).

Anyway, here are Steve Young's stats his first 2 seasons at Tampa before being traded.

1985
Record: 1-4
Cmp%: 52.2
Yds: 935
TDs: 3
Int: 8
Ypg: 187.0
Rating: 56.9

1986
Record:2-12
Cmp%: 53.7
Yds: 2282
TDs: 8
Int: 13
Ypg: 163.0
Rating: 65.5

Alex Smith's first 2 years,

2005
Record: 2-5
Cmp%: 50.9
Yds: 875
TDs: 1
Int: 11
Rating: 40.8

2006
Record: 7-9
Cmp%: 58.1
Yds: 2890
TDs: 16
Int: 16
Rating: 74.8

Look, Alex is Alex and Steve is Steve. These are 2 different QB's. Just because one had success dosn't mean the other will. This is no different then saying Jay Cutlers second season was better then Montana's second season; therefore, Cutler will be a hall of famer... 1+1 does not equal 372...

All this info means is that its possible; not probable. With all that said, I hope Alex can make that jump; but, I honestly don't think he will...

I completely agree and I clearly stated in my last post that it wasn't my intent to make that kind of comparison. My intent was to show that a QB that has struggled early in his career and been proclaimed a bust is capable of turning his career around with a better surrounding cast and better coaching. It doesn't mean he will but he does have a legitimate chance in his current situation to do so.

Second, where do you guys keep coming up with this notion that Steve Young showed promise and consistency while at Tampa? Its not like you guys were actually watching the games to see it. I mean nobody was televising Tampa games in the 80's unless you lived in Florida and most of those households were watching the Dolphins. Second, even if you did get the Bucs on TV, why would you even be watching their games?

Just because Bill Walsh saw promise doesn't mean it was clearly evident that everyone else (like you and me) would also be able to see it. I thought that was one of Bill Walsh's great abilities; to see talent where everybody else saw trash?

Huh? I never said that about Steve...

So far from all the Alex Smith threads is that the Alex Smith supporters seem to be realistic in their expectations and their opinions are supported with facts. Where as the Alex Smith haters seem to be rather hostile and base their arguements on opinions and opinions only. Smith supporters are not hating on Hill and have openly stated that at this point in time Hill should be the starter unless Smith shows a vast improvement during the preseason. Smith haters claim to know the future and that Smith is 100000% a bust based on a partial rookie season a full second season and 3 games into the third season.

Originally posted by yoyo49:


I'm not bashing Gore. Gore's numbers have significantly drop off since 2006. Its a legitimate question to ask. Maybe not in this forum but its still true. And I don't see how thats bashing a player to simply stat he hasn't performed as well since 2006.

His carries dropped off significantly from 312 in 2006 to 260 in 2007 to 240 in 2008. So it's expected that his total rushing yards will drop a lot... You honestly don't expect him to get to 1500+ yards with 70 less carries, do you?

You have to search through years of NFL history to find players who started out bad but became good (Young, Brandshaw).

You only have to go back a few years to find players who started out bad and ended bad.

It's much more likely that a player who starts out on the wrong foot (like Alex has) is never going to reach his potential due to injuries, coaching, whatever you wanna say. You can't point to Troy Aikman and Steve Young and say that Alex is going to turn it around like them because there's far more evidence that points to him NOT being able to turn it around.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You have to search through years of NFL history to find players who started out bad but became good (Young, Brandshaw).

You only have to go back a few years to find players who started out bad and ended bad.

It's much more likely that a player who starts out on the wrong foot (like Alex has) is never going to reach his potential due to injuries, coaching, whatever you wanna say. You can't point to Troy Aikman and Steve Young and say that Alex is going to turn it around like them because there's far more evidence that points to him NOT being able to turn it around.

Yes, of course it's more common to see failure. It's a tough league. I'm hoping for the best.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You have to search through years of NFL history to find players who started out bad but became good (Young, Brandshaw).

You only have to go back a few years to find players who started out bad and ended bad.

It's much more likely that a player who starts out on the wrong foot (like Alex has) is never going to reach his potential due to injuries, coaching, whatever you wanna say. You can't point to Troy Aikman and Steve Young and say that Alex is going to turn it around like them because there's far more evidence that points to him NOT being able to turn it around.

But the thing that all the Smith haters seem to ignore is that NOBODY can see the future but yet they all seem to believe that they have that ability.

Originally posted by backontop:
So far from all the Alex Smith threads is that the Alex Smith supporters seem to be realistic in their expectations and their opinions are supported with facts. Where as the Alex Smith haters seem to be rather hostile and base their arguements on opinions and opinions only. Smith supporters are not hating on Hill and have openly stated that at this point in time Hill should be the starter unless Smith shows a vast improvement during the preseason. Smith haters claim to know the future and that Smith is 100000% a bust based on a partial rookie season a full second season and 3 games into the third season.

I disagree... I think there are 2 extremes. There are some on here that are such Die hard Smith supporters that they will never admit that Shaun deserves to start and others that I think would stop watching Football if Smith started this season.

I think we just don't see the bad in the side that were closest to...

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by PTulini:
KNBR Interview with Matt Maiocco (07/07/09)

ENJOY!!!

cool...thx but no new developments.

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by backontop:
So far from all the Alex Smith threads is that the Alex Smith supporters seem to be realistic in their expectations and their opinions are supported with facts. Where as the Alex Smith haters seem to be rather hostile and base their arguements on opinions and opinions only. Smith supporters are not hating on Hill and have openly stated that at this point in time Hill should be the starter unless Smith shows a vast improvement during the preseason. Smith haters claim to know the future and that Smith is 100000% a bust based on a partial rookie season a full second season and 3 games into the third season.

I disagree... I think there are 2 extremes. There are some on here that are such Die hard Smith supporters that they will never admit that Shaun deserves to start and others that I think would stop watching Football if Smith started this season.

I think we just don't see the bad in the side that were closest to...

I haven't really seen any that think Hill is a bad player. I have seen some state that they think that he can't make all the throws, but I think that is pretty well know. The farther he throws the ball the more it quacks. But I do think that Hill based on his performance should have the starting nod unless there is some extreme improvement on Smith's game during preseason to where he is just lighting things up. Do I think that is realistic not a chance. But do I think Smith is a bust, nope I haven't seen that much of him to declare him a bust. Plus by definition he will not be a bust until he is released from the team that drafted him. And if someone decides to not watch the beloved 49ers play on Sundays, some Mondays an occasional Thursday then that is fine with me. If that is how they feel then they were never a real fan to begin with. GO NINERS!!!!! Oh and BillyBonka I am relaxed so no need to keep asking me to relax.

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by yoyo49:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by yoyo49:


Really? So you actually watched Tampa Bay games in 1985 and 86? Back when there was only regional coverage, no internet, and no NFL sunday ticket? So how did you know Young was a more consistent then Smith if it was near impossible to see Young play at that time? (unless you lived in florida).

Anyway, here are Steve Young's stats his first 2 seasons at Tampa before being traded.

1985
Record: 1-4
Cmp%: 52.2
Yds: 935
TDs: 3
Int: 8
Ypg: 187.0
Rating: 56.9

1986
Record:2-12
Cmp%: 53.7
Yds: 2282
TDs: 8
Int: 13
Ypg: 163.0
Rating: 65.5

Alex Smith's first 2 years,

2005
Record: 2-5
Cmp%: 50.9
Yds: 875
TDs: 1
Int: 11
Rating: 40.8

2006
Record: 7-9
Cmp%: 58.1
Yds: 2890
TDs: 16
Int: 16
Rating: 74.8

Look, Alex is Alex and Steve is Steve. These are 2 different QB's. Just because one had success dosn't mean the other will. This is no different then saying Jay Cutlers second season was better then Montana's second season; therefore, Cutler will be a hall of famer... 1+1 does not equal 372...

All this info means is that its possible; not probable. With all that said, I hope Alex can make that jump; but, I honestly don't think he will...

I completely agree and I clearly stated in my last post that it wasn't my intent to make that kind of comparison. My intent was to show that a QB that has struggled early in his career and been proclaimed a bust is capable of turning his career around with a better surrounding cast and better coaching. It doesn't mean he will but he does have a legitimate chance in his current situation to do so.

Second, where do you guys keep coming up with this notion that Steve Young showed promise and consistency while at Tampa? Its not like you guys were actually watching the games to see it. I mean nobody was televising Tampa games in the 80's unless you lived in Florida and most of those households were watching the Dolphins. Second, even if you did get the Bucs on TV, why would you even be watching their games?

Just because Bill Walsh saw promise doesn't mean it was clearly evident that everyone else (like you and me) would also be able to see it. I thought that was one of Bill Walsh's great abilities; to see talent where everybody else saw trash?

Huh? I never said that about Steve...

Oh sorry, I was referencing something that Dirty and a couple of other posters had mentioned.

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by yoyo49:


I'm not bashing Gore. Gore's numbers have significantly drop off since 2006. Its a legitimate question to ask. Maybe not in this forum but its still true. And I don't see how thats bashing a player to simply stat he hasn't performed as well since 2006.

His carries dropped off significantly from 312 in 2006 to 260 in 2007 to 240 in 2008. So it's expected that his total rushing yards will drop a lot... You honestly don't expect him to get to 1500+ yards with 70 less carries, do you?

I completely agree with you, I was just playing devil's advocate on the whole Gore discussion.

Originally posted by yoyo49:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by yoyo49:


I'm not bashing Gore. Gore's numbers have significantly drop off since 2006. Its a legitimate question to ask. Maybe not in this forum but its still true. And I don't see how thats bashing a player to simply stat he hasn't performed as well since 2006.

His carries dropped off significantly from 312 in 2006 to 260 in 2007 to 240 in 2008. So it's expected that his total rushing yards will drop a lot... You honestly don't expect him to get to 1500+ yards with 70 less carries, do you?

I completely agree with you, I was just playing devil's advocate on the whole Gore discussion.

No Worries, I was just giving you a legit answer to you legit question...