The Trey Lance trade revisited:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by Since07:
Definitely one of the worst trades in nfl history.

Ive said it before the biggest mistake this regime made was trading for Jimmy instead of signing Cousins. Non of this would have happened and we probably at least have 1 Super Bowl

The biggest mistake they made was picking Solomon Thomas instead of Mahomes

And their horrible first round draft picks in general

Not at the time, in hindsight sure that's easy to point out after the fact with the results. At that time we all knew the plan was to sign Cousins. Instead Lynch overrode it and traded for Jimmy

Lynch didn't override the Cousins FA plan. Kyle and Lynch together did so. They had an opportunity come up mid-season when they were 0-8 to get what was going to be one of the better prospective FA QBs for half a season for a trial run and they jumped on it,, as they absolutely should have. Jimmy G then seized that opportunity and made it hard to not offer him a contract in the offseason before FA began. Considering they got to the SB within a couple years with him it wasn't a terrible choice. No one knows if Cousins succeeds in SF in 2018 or later because it never happened.

Every choice is a dice roll. Sometimes you're playing with house money and can afford when they come up snake eyes, other times you get a dozen rolls and it's all 7s. The better GMs and HCs don't overthink their past mistakes and keep churning to succeed. I'd rather have a GM/HC combo that takes chances and tries a big swing every once in a while than someone who stands pat and only takes what comes to them. The latter is safer but is also far more likely to result in mediocrity. If you take big swings and can survive when they result in strikeouts you're pretty damn good at it.

That's John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. In the long run I'd bet in them being defined by their successes far more than their failures.

Originally posted by Since07:
Watson demanded a trade and said he'd never player for the Texans again before the allegations

Allegations came in March 2021. He sat out that next year and demanded the trade.

Theres no way to argue paying 230 mil for a guy who sat out a year and was looking at a long suspension was smart at the time. That move has crippled that team.

Originally posted by captveg:
Lynch didn't override the Cousins FA plan. Kyle and Lynch together did so. They had an opportunity come up mid-season when they were 0-8 to get what was going to be one of the better prospective FA QBs for half a season for a trial run and they jumped on it,, as they absolutely should have. Jimmy G then seized that opportunity and made it hard to not offer him a contract in the offseason before FA began. Considering they got to the SB within a couple years with him it wasn't a terrible choice. No one knows if Cousins succeeds in SF in 2018 or later because it never happened.

Every choice is a dice roll. Sometimes you're playing with house money and can afford when they come up snake eyes, other times you get a dozen rolls and it's all 7s. The better GMs and HCs don't overthink their past mistakes and keep churning to succeed. I'd rather have a GM/HC combo that takes chances and tries a big swing every once in a while than someone who stands pat and only takes what comes to them. The latter is safer but is also far more likely to result in mediocrity. If you take big swings and can survive when they result in strikeouts you're pretty damn good at it.

That's John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. In the long run I'd bet in them being defined by their successes far more than their failures.

What you are describing is Chris Ballard. 62-69-1 for the guy people were clamoring for back in 2017. One playoff win.

I was gonna talk trash and say Jim kept Trey over Taylor to spite the Niners but after looking Trey simple out performed the competition in preseason

Originally posted by JMC52:
I was gonna talk trash and say Jim kept Trey over Taylor to spite the Niners but after looking Trey simple out performed the competition in preseason

As much as I don't believe Trey Lance will amount to anything - harbaighs offense is a great place for him to me. Asked to do very little (for an nfl qb), simple passing concepts, very low risk situations besides converting constant third downs.

it's an offense that will never really overly rely on him, outside of extreme situations.

im curious how Herbert does this year cause I feel like harbaugh wasted his talents last year by making him the ultimate mediocre game manager - he was literally asked to just not turn over the ball and take the easy completion everytime. Just was asked to rely on the run game and defense to win the game and for him to just not screw up.

Originally posted by tankle104:
As much as I don't believe Trey Lance will amount to anything - harbaighs offense is a great place for him to me. Asked to do very little (for an nfl qb), simple passing concepts, very low risk situations besides converting constant third downs.

it's an offense that will never really overly rely on him, outside of extreme situations.

im curious how Herbert does this year cause I feel like harbaugh wasted his talents last year by making him the ultimate mediocre game manager - he was literally asked to just not turn over the ball and take the easy completion everytime. Just was asked to rely on the run game and defense to win the game and for him to just not screw up.

More of the same. Until he gets rid of Roman and gets an OC who can actually call a passing offense Herbert will be the one who suffers.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
As much as I don't believe Trey Lance will amount to anything - harbaighs offense is a great place for him to me. Asked to do very little (for an nfl qb), simple passing concepts, very low risk situations besides converting constant third downs.

it's an offense that will never really overly rely on him, outside of extreme situations.

im curious how Herbert does this year cause I feel like harbaugh wasted his talents last year by making him the ultimate mediocre game manager - he was literally asked to just not turn over the ball and take the easy completion everytime. Just was asked to rely on the run game and defense to win the game and for him to just not screw up.

More of the same. Until he gets rid of Roman and gets an OC who can actually a passing offense Herbert will be the one who suffers.

I agree, if he just innovated his offense some but kept the rest of the team playing the way it does - he would be nearly unstoppable. He just uses a 1970s offense.

the way he motivates his guys and gets them to execute the basic stuff is really impressive though

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
More of the same. Until he gets rid of Roman and gets an OC who can actually call a passing offense Herbert will be the one who suffers.

Yet they finished 11-6, scored the 11th most points, allowed the least and made the playoffs.

1970's football is where it's at. Smashmouth old school running game and D is proven to win games.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yet they finished 11-6, scored the 11th most points, allowed the least and made the playoffs.

1970's football is where it's at. Smashmouth old school running game and D is proven to win games.

Then had the worst qb performance in the playoffs in years.

All the talk about the 9ers having weakest schedule in league, that's exactly what the Chargers had in 2024.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Since07:
Watson demanded a trade and said he'd never player for the Texans again before the allegations

Allegations came in March 2021. He sat out that next year and demanded the trade.

Theres no way to argue paying 230 mil for a guy who sat out a year and was looking at a long suspension was smart at the time. That move has crippled that team.

That team was able to sign there DE to the highest paid contract at the time. This team was crippled way before that deal LOL

It was an all time bad trade. Compounded by the fact they drafted the biggest project of all time, in the middle of a Super Bowl window.
So, you use assets that could be bolstering a Super Bowl roster to draft a zero. Super bowls are won on the margins, this window was blown because of this trade.
It is my view that this trade cost the Niners a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
More of the same. Until he gets rid of Roman and gets an OC who can actually call a passing offense Herbert will be the one who suffers.

Yet they finished 11-6, scored the 11th most points, allowed the least and made the playoffs.

1970's football is where it's at. Smashmouth old school running game and D is proven to win games.

Win games? Sure, Super bowls? Not so much

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
It was an all time bad trade. Compounded by the fact they drafted the biggest project of all time, in the middle of a Super Bowl window.
So, you use assets that could be bolstering a Super Bowl roster to draft a zero. Super bowls are won on the margins, this window was blown because of this trade.
It is my view that this trade cost the Niners a Super Bowl.

On the bright side, the Dolphins did nothing with those picks we gave them. So nobody wins, lol.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
It was an all time bad trade. Compounded by the fact they drafted the biggest project of all time, in the middle of a Super Bowl window.
So, you use assets that could be bolstering a Super Bowl roster to draft a zero. Super bowls are won on the margins, this window was blown because of this trade.
It is my view that this trade cost the Niners a Super Bowl.

On the bright side, the Dolphins did nothing with those picks we gave them. So nobody wins, lol.

Micah Parsons???

I believed he was one of the picks that we gave away? Not the Dolphins, but still our pick.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by Bullrush42:
It was an all time bad trade. Compounded by the fact they drafted the biggest project of all time, in the middle of a Super Bowl window.
So, you use assets that could be bolstering a Super Bowl roster to draft a zero. Super bowls are won on the margins, this window was blown because of this trade.
It is my view that this trade cost the Niners a Super Bowl.

On the bright side, the Dolphins did nothing with those picks we gave them. So nobody wins, lol.

Micah Parsons???

I believed he was one of the picks that we gave away? Not the Dolphins, but still our pick.

For the umpteenth time (and also putting aside the fact that we dont know if Parsons would have become Parsons if we drafted him), Parsons plays a position that we did NOT need during that draft. There is zero evidence that we would have drafted him.