NFL Collusion

This just go to show that the NFLPA isn't truly working on behalf of the players. The players need to fire the NFLPA leadership and demand new leadership. This document is out now, and the player who are due for contract extensions need to leverage it to demand fully guaranteed contracts or open another collusion complaint. Judging by what's reported in this document I'm at a loss as to why the arbitrator stopped short of ruling collusion. He found all elements of collusion, found texts and emails where owners where clearly coordinating efforts to prevent guaranteed contracts, efforts that prove that the owners aren't working as independent businesses but in near open collaboration against the players.

So, if I were a player that's due a contract I'd demand fully guaranteed contracts (at least one of the top players) or open another collusion complaint. And the NFLPA needs to be fired. I'll continue to say that the NFL owners are in possession of a great product that they morally don't deserve.

Thoughts?

You just keep beating the same drum, that the owners are immoral. I've seen you post that in multiple threads, with zero evidence. jim irsay just passed away RIP you think his daughters are immoral? what went off the rails in your post to think along those lines?

this just demonstrates you see what you want to see. the guy found no collusion, and you walk away with same suppositions you went in with..

Not surprising at all. But unless the NFLPA can buy a judge doesn't matter who's in charge. The bigger money is with the owner's and they will still come out on top. There is a reason they settled with CK

Originally posted by lamontb:
Not surprising at all. But unless the NFLPA can buy a judge doesn't matter who's in charge. The bigger money is with the owner's and they will still come out on top. There is a reason they settled with CK

i don't buy it. the league wanted dan snyder and jerry richardson out, and they are out. eddie himself was once deemed a 'toxic' owner, and he was stripped of his team. so the nfl seems to actively weed out owners they feel are not upholding the type of character the nfl wants. meanwhile, the player at the heart of this thread, is deshaun watson. you'll have to let me know how you see active owners, like jed, acting badly or coming out 'on top'. not every interaction is owner vs player. there is enough money for owners and players to both win. i would think Jed and Brock are both doing quite well. Deshaun Watson the guy who this thread is about, he's doing quite well (financially). hard notion to push that players aren't coming out on top themselves. they seem to be doing great.

lol at faithful saying there's zero evidence when there absolutely is evidence in those Bidwell and Spanos texts. it's now why multiple NFL players are exploring their legal options.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You just keep beating the same drum, that the owners are immoral. I've seen you post that in multiple threads, with zero evidence. jim irsay just passed away RIP you think his daughters are immoral? what went off the rails in your post to think along those lines?

this just demonstrates you see what you want to see. the guy found no collusion, and you walk away with same suppositions you went in with..

lol

Originally posted by boast:
lol at faithful saying there's zero evidence when there absolutely is evidence in those Bidwell and Spanos texts. it's now why multiple NFL players are exploring their legal options.

cant use the langue here that i want outside of the PL

but we all know how intelligent faith is.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Not surprising at all. But unless the NFLPA can buy a judge doesn't matter who's in charge. The bigger money is with the owner's and they will still come out on top. There is a reason they settled with CK

While I never had an issue with CK's silent protests, I think they were justified, it's the false narratives surrounding it that was repulsive.

The truth is that CK never put in the work and never developed as an NFL QB. That is the real truth of the matter.

Once DC's figured him out, and he refused to adjust, it was over.

He was out of the NFL for no other reason than he was not dedicated to the NFL craft.

If he were a good player he would probably still be playing today.

Originally posted by boast:
lol at faithful saying there's zero evidence when there absolutely is evidence in those Bidwell and Spanos texts. it's now why multiple NFL players are exploring their legal options.

show the texts. i just push back on broadly smearing a group as evil, such as the op talking about owners not morally deserving to own team. what does that even mean? jed shouldn't own the team? why not? owners are allowed to own teams and they are allowed to send texts and try and put their teams in the best position possible, that's their duty. not all these players are moral either. the guy at the heart of this thread is deshaun freakin watson. talk about ppl who morally deserve. does he morally deserve to be a FQB making huge gtd millions? let me know..

I suppose the moral of that story, the Deshaun Watson story in particular, is that owners should only give guaranteed contracts to worthy players.

The Browns' owner is a dumbass who wanted to skip the line to a FQB that as it turns out wasn't worthy of such a massive, guaranteed contract.

I wonder what would have happened had Watson been possessed of self-control in Houston.

He'd probably still be in Houston, but would he have fallen off so far and so fast?

Maybe he would have come back down to Earth slightly less precipitously.

Yeah, if Watson had kept his head on straight in Houston, I think he'd still be there and probably playing at a high level. He was on track to be elite. The off-field stuff wrecked everything.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Not surprising at all. But unless the NFLPA can buy a judge doesn't matter who's in charge. The bigger money is with the owner's and they will still come out on top. There is a reason they settled with CK

While I never had an issue with CK's silent protests, I think they were justified, it's the false narratives surrounding it that was repulsive.

The truth is that CK never put in the work and never developed as an NFL QB. That is the real truth of the matter.

Once DC's figured him out, and he refused to adjust, it was over.

He was out of the NFL for no other reason than he was not dedicated to the NFL craft.

If he were a good player he would probably still be playing today.

All true about his play and development. But he was still easily better than most back up qbs.

I thought it's pretty clear cut.

Owners have the right to not want to give out fully guaranteed contracts.

But they can't talk together and make some pact behind close doors that none of them will give any guaranteed contracts.

That's pretty much the textbook definition of what collusion is in competitive markets

Looking back I always laugh that when players wanted FA then the owners wanted a cap to "counter/balance it". The players should have never agreed to that. The cap incredibly benefits the owners and hinders the players imo.

Originally posted by boast:
lol at faithful saying there's zero evidence when there absolutely is evidence in those Bidwell and Spanos texts. it's now why multiple NFL players are exploring their legal options.

Remember when the NFL paid Kap?