Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I feel like some fans don't think about these stats in proper context.
in order to be a top notch pass rusher, you need to be able to consistently get pressures on a qb and find ways to turn 10-20 of those in sacks across a season
it's very important to find ways to disrupt a play on a down by down basis. That's great if you get a sack or 2 sacks in a game but if the other 60 plays you were in on, you did nothing and the offense you're playing wasn't disturbed. That doesn't mean you had a good game.
sometimes a qb can still make a play when pressured but that doesn't mean the pass rusher didn't make a good play, just the qb made a better one. It happens. But you made it hard on them and if you do that consistently, good things usually happen. Most QBs won't over come consistent pressures throughout a game.
It's similar to a DB getting an INt - doesn't mean they had a good game if the other 60 plays they weren't stopping much.
I think the problem with a lot of fans/posters, across all fan bases, is that they don't watch film. Their analysis is based off of just stats, which doesn't tell the whole story.
idk who in here is saying pressures are better than sacks and if they're talking about that in a vacuum? cause that's a weird argument. They're both helpful indicators of a players impact but go together to tell the story.
I saw someone mention Bosa and his 69 pressures. Lol what about all the plays he's double teamed? That's making an impact on that play cause he's freeing up others to be 1-1, or the offense is using a TE to block and that helps the rest of the team in coverage. Or when we do stunts and the d lineman's job is to eat up blockers so others can make the tackle. Etc etc Those things aren't really factored into things like sacks and pressures but are super important to a defenses success.
there is a lot of things these guys do, play in and play out, that positively impacts the game that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
it's all about making a positive impact on the play. Of course we would love tons of sacks and tons of pressures. Tons of players get clean up sacks cause the rest of the d line got a ton of pressure or when a qb threw a pick cause the qb was pressured.
Bryce huff made a big time impact for the jets in 2022 and 2023, just he didn't get the sacks in 2022. He still was disrupting plays left and right, which helps the defense.
the following is critical to a good defense and idc what anyone is saying "what's better" or "what isn't important"
PFF (Pro Football Focus) defines a quarterback pressure as a play where a defender disrupts the quarterback's ability to throw, even if it doesn't result in a sack. This includes forcing the quarterback to move, hitting them as they throw, or sacking them. In essence, a pressure is any situation where the quarterback is under duress and their ability to execute a pass is negatively impacted.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jun 5, 2025 at 3:39 PM ]
