Bryce Huff Retired

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by IgglesFan319:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by IgglesFan319:
It was mostly hated across the board. Thought we overpaid for someone who's never proven he could be a full time pass rusher. Felt like an overreaction to letting reddick go. But I would say we were all collectively shocked at how ineffective he was. Figured at worst we'd have is an overpriced 3rd down specialist. The fit issue isn't something I'd say we considered cause we haven't seen Vic before or his scheme. But it got so bad to the point they trusted a converted safety To DE 3rd round project ( who was supposed to red shirt this year) over him and then in the superbowl he was an inactive. We played a one arm Brandon graham over him. I'd say in the past 20 years he ranks 2nd in worst free agent signings we had only behind asomugha. And you can make an argument that he's worse than asomugha considering asomugha actually could get on to the field at the very least

Interesting. Did he lack effort and motivation or did he just seem incapable? It will be really fascinating to see how this play out.

In any event, we always enjoy hating on the Cowboys and their fans in the gameday threads. Stop by anytime.

That was the strange part. It wasn't effort based. Just seemed incapable. I do think he got into his own head and he couldn't even do what he used to do well. I have no ill will towards the guy. He was nothing but class through our whole sb run. I just think it was a horrid fit and he got into his own head.

He is just a terrible fit for a 3/4 defense. He accepted the contract with the eagles because it was so much money (good for him). It was a risky move for the eagles to sign a guy who played his entire career with his hands in the dirt to be a stand up rushing linebacker in a 3/4, it was a bad choice. He will fit well in Saleh's defense, as he has already shown.

I don't think pass-rush was an issue at Phily. The problem was his run defense. As an every down OLB he was bad at setting an edge. Looked like he eventually lost some motivation as a result. Kinda spiraled on him in Philly.

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by IgglesFan319:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by IgglesFan319:
It was mostly hated across the board. Thought we overpaid for someone who's never proven he could be a full time pass rusher. Felt like an overreaction to letting reddick go. But I would say we were all collectively shocked at how ineffective he was. Figured at worst we'd have is an overpriced 3rd down specialist. The fit issue isn't something I'd say we considered cause we haven't seen Vic before or his scheme. But it got so bad to the point they trusted a converted safety To DE 3rd round project ( who was supposed to red shirt this year) over him and then in the superbowl he was an inactive. We played a one arm Brandon graham over him. I'd say in the past 20 years he ranks 2nd in worst free agent signings we had only behind asomugha. And you can make an argument that he's worse than asomugha considering asomugha actually could get on to the field at the very least

Interesting. Did he lack effort and motivation or did he just seem incapable? It will be really fascinating to see how this play out.

In any event, we always enjoy hating on the Cowboys and their fans in the gameday threads. Stop by anytime.

That was the strange part. It wasn't effort based. Just seemed incapable. I do think he got into his own head and he couldn't even do what he used to do well. I have no ill will towards the guy. He was nothing but class through our whole sb run. I just think it was a horrid fit and he got into his own head.

He is just a terrible fit for a 3/4 defense. He accepted the contract with the eagles because it was so much money (good for him). It was a risky move for the eagles to sign a guy who played his entire career with his hands in the dirt to be a stand up rushing linebacker in a 3/4, it was a bad choice. He will fit well in Saleh's defense, as he has already shown.

I don't think pass-rush was an issue at Phily. The problem was his run defense. As an every down OLB he was bad at setting an edge. Looked like he eventually lost some motivation as a result. Kinda spiraled on him in Philly.

I never said the pass rush was an issue, the scheme was the issue. The difference between a 4/3 DE and 3/4 OLB's responsibilities is huge. I was surprised he got so much Money from the Eagles when I saw who they had at D coordinator. It was a bad signing by them. I watched dude play in college, he is perfect as a pass rush specialist, not for dropping into coverage or setting the edge. Eagles just gambled that they could make the round peg fit into the square hole, and were smart to move on when the gamble didn't pay off. Good for the niners though, because he fits our scheme and we get him cheap because the Eagles have to eat half his contract.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Nick Bosa says Jets Bryce Huff was one of the edge rushers he frequently watched to improve his own game.

"He's really elite at a certain thing, so we're going to use him that way."

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) June 4, 2025

Huff working a double swipe for low punchers. Kocurek emphasizing the swipe through transition to prevent tackles from resetting their hands. I love the art of pass rushing. I can't believe they went from one of the most depressing DLs in the NFL to this group in one offseason. Lynch deserves a lot of credit.

Bryce Huff coming off one edge while Nick Bosa comes off the other edge is going to be a sight to see

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— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) June 4, 2025

I have a theory on why Bosa watched Huff…


Bosa and Huff move similarly. They both seem to drag their feet but because their feet stay low, they don't require a long cycle time to get their feet around for the next step. They look a little different while moving because Bosa is crazy strong while Huff is really snappy, but the mechanism is the same.

Sprinters train this sort of foot drag technique to improve the first steps out of the blocks, and players train it to improve their 40. The problem is that even among elite athletes, it is often unnatural to move this way and can require conscious thought. This is sometimes the reason people with really good 40 times can't get separation in a game situation. They don't naturally move that way. Bosa and Huff seem to be able to move that way in a very natural and controlled manner.

The video I added shows Huff really drag his right foot. He is basically floating along and can fire either foot at any time as he closes on the dummy. It is a thing of beauty.

Who was it Genus that said pressures are better than sacks? Might want to consider getting Huffs jersey as well

Originally posted by Since07:
Who was it Genus that said pressures are better than sacks? Might want to consider getting Huffs jersey as well

Pressures are a better indicator of performance than sacks. I'm sure that's what he said/meant.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Since07:
Who was it Genus that said pressures are better than sacks? Might want to consider getting Huffs jersey as well

Pressures are a better indicator of performance than sacks. I'm sure that's what he said/meant.

Yeah doubled down claiming to have a Manny Lawson jersey

Originally posted by Since07:
Who was it Genus that said pressures are better than sacks? Might want to consider getting Huffs jersey as well

In a given situation a pressure could be better!

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Since07:
Who was it Genus that said pressures are better than sacks? Might want to consider getting Huffs jersey as well

In a given situation a pressure could be better!

Definitely but in today's game all elite QBs handle pressure and can scramble. Give me a sack to mess with the game-plan rather Wilson or Mahomes rolling out completing a deep pass but "Pressured"

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Since07:
Who was it Genus that said pressures are better than sacks? Might want to consider getting Huffs jersey as well

Pressures are a better indicator of performance than sacks. I'm sure that's what he said/meant.

Yeah, I feel like some fans don't think about these stats in proper context.

in order to be a top notch pass rusher, you need to be able to consistently get pressures on a qb and find ways to turn 10-20 of those in sacks across a season

it's very important to find ways to disrupt a play on a down by down basis. That's great if you get a sack or 2 sacks in a game but if the other 60 plays you were in on, you did nothing and the offense you're playing wasn't disturbed. That doesn't mean you had a good game.

sometimes a qb can still make a play when pressured but that doesn't mean the pass rusher didn't make a good play, just the qb made a better one. It happens. But you made it hard on them and if you do that consistently, good things usually happen. Most QBs won't over come consistent pressures throughout a game.

It's similar to a DB getting an INt - doesn't mean they had a good game if the other 60 plays they weren't stopping much.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I feel like some fans don't think about these stats in proper context.

in order to be a top notch pass rusher, you need to be able to consistently get pressures on a qb and find ways to turn 10-20 of those in sacks across a season

it's very important to find ways to disrupt a play on a down by down basis. That's great if you get a sack or 2 sacks in a game but if the other 60 plays you were in on, you did nothing and the offense you're playing wasn't disturbed. That doesn't mean you had a good game.

sometimes a qb can still make a play when pressured but that doesn't mean the pass rusher didn't make a good play, just the qb made a better one. It happens. But you made it hard on them and if you do that consistently, good things usually happen. Most QBs won't over come consistent pressures throughout a game.

It's similar to a DB getting an INt - doesn't mean they had a good game if the other 60 plays they weren't stopping much.

If all of your DL are getting 15%+ pressures you will end up getting a ton of sacks. If one DE gets 20% pressures but nobody else on the line is over 5% the sack totals will be a lot lower. More players getting more pressures directly results in more sacks.

Originally posted by Midbay:
I have a theory on why Bosa watched Huff…

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— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) June 4, 2025

Bosa and Huff move similarly. They both seem to drag their feet but because their feet stay low, they don't require a long cycle time to get their feet around for the next step. They look a little different while moving because Bosa is crazy strong while Huff is really snappy, but the mechanism is the same.

Sprinters train this sort of foot drag technique to improve the first steps out of the blocks, and players train it to improve their 40. The problem is that even among elite athletes, it is often unnatural to move this way and can require conscious thought. This is sometimes the reason people with really good 40 times can't get separation in a game situation. They don't naturally move that way. Bosa and Huff seem to be able to move that way in a very natural and controlled manner.

The video I added shows Huff really drag his right foot. He is basically floating along and can fire either foot at any time as he closes on the dummy. It is a thing of beauty.

I remember Walsh telling players to keep their feet low back in 1980. He was using Dwight Clark as an example of a player who could change direction suddenly not because he was so athletic but because he kept his feet low. He stressed not jumping to catch a pass you could catch with your feet close to the ground. I know my LB coach always stressed keeping your feet low and small steps until you had to explode. I hadn't really thought about that for Ends, but it makes sense.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I feel like some fans don't think about these stats in proper context.

in order to be a top notch pass rusher, you need to be able to consistently get pressures on a qb and find ways to turn 10-20 of those in sacks across a season

it's very important to find ways to disrupt a play on a down by down basis. That's great if you get a sack or 2 sacks in a game but if the other 60 plays you were in on, you did nothing and the offense you're playing wasn't disturbed. That doesn't mean you had a good game.

sometimes a qb can still make a play when pressured but that doesn't mean the pass rusher didn't make a good play, just the qb made a better one. It happens. But you made it hard on them and if you do that consistently, good things usually happen. Most QBs won't over come consistent pressures throughout a game.

It's similar to a DB getting an INt - doesn't mean they had a good game if the other 60 plays they weren't stopping much.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I feel like some fans don't think about these stats in proper context.

in order to be a top notch pass rusher, you need to be able to consistently get pressures on a qb and find ways to turn 10-20 of those in sacks across a season

it's very important to find ways to disrupt a play on a down by down basis. That's great if you get a sack or 2 sacks in a game but if the other 60 plays you were in on, you did nothing and the offense you're playing wasn't disturbed. That doesn't mean you had a good game.

sometimes a qb can still make a play when pressured but that doesn't mean the pass rusher didn't make a good play, just the qb made a better one. It happens. But you made it hard on them and if you do that consistently, good things usually happen. Most QBs won't over come consistent pressures throughout a game.

It's similar to a DB getting an INt - doesn't mean they had a good game if the other 60 plays they weren't stopping much.

Its only a better indicator if it's consistent quick pressure.

Your hypotheticals go both ways.

You can have 4 pressures on a QB with 1 resulting in a TD pass. 1-2 resulting in QB scramble for 1st down. 1-2 as a dump off to RB for however many yards. Would those pressures really be worth anything?

Pressures will NEVER be better than a sack. It at best can be as good as.

Best outcomes from a pressure: forced interception
Best outcome from a Sack: forced fumble.

Next best from pressure: forced incompletion
Next best sack: loss of yards.

The worst outcome from a sack is a sack for 0 yards. Which is loss of down same distance to go.

That is the 2nd best outcome for a pressure. Loss of down same distance to go.

You can talk about the other 60 plays all you want. That too goes both ways. The great Nick Bosa is credited with 69 pressures last year. That is an average of 4 per game. Your average pass rusher likely is only going to get you 2 per game. So that leaves a whole lot of other plays for them as well doesn't it?

Originally posted by krizay:
Its only a better indicator if it's consistent quick pressure.

Your hypotheticals go both ways.

You can have 4 pressures on a QB with 1 resulting in a TD pass. 1-2 resulting in QB scramble for 1st down. 1-2 as a dump off to RB for however many yards. Would those pressures really be worth anything?

Pressures will NEVER be better than a sack. It at best can be as good as.

Best outcomes from a pressure: forced interception
Best outcome from a Sack: forced fumble.

Next best from pressure: forced incompletion
Next best sack: loss of yards.

The worst outcome from a sack is a sack for 0 yards. Which is loss of down same distance to go.

That is the 2nd best outcome for a pressure. Loss of down same distance to go.

You can talk about the other 60 plays all you want. That too goes both ways. The great Nick Bosa is credited with 69 pressures last year. That is an average of 4 per game. Your average pass rusher likely is only going to get you 2 per game. So that leaves a whole lot of other plays for them as well doesn't it?

Yeah, you are working hard to be wrong.

Is 1 sack better than 1 pressure? Yes. But is a player that gets 80 pressures and 1 sack more valuable than a player that gets 15 pressures and 5 sacks? Absolutely yes.

One outcome of a pressure is a sack by another player, that is a big part of their value. To some extent a sack is the luck that comes from pressures. Most DT sacks are the result of DE pressures, it doesn't go to the DE but the result of the play is still a sack.