Shedeur Sanders Anyone ?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by random49er:
Anyone forgot Kap?

We should not be blind to the NFL colluding to get a point across.

lol the NFL was colluding against Kap? Because him sucking was a HUGE factor in him not getting a job.

Whats yout definition of sucking for a QB?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by random49er:
Anyone forgot Kap?

We should not be blind to the NFL colluding to get a point across.

lol the NFL was colluding against Kap? Because him sucking was a HUGE factor in him not getting a job.

Whats yout definition of sucking for a QB?

Pretty sure it has been proven that the NFL teams/owners don't care what you have done. If you're a good football player they show a blind eye to anything and everything. The collusion stuff is just bs.

Wonder if he wakes up and does any self reflecting? Like how could he have handled himself better in the pre draft process and what did he do wrong if it made every NFL team pass him over multiple times. I get it, you want to be who you are but maybe you need to change a little if its impacting your life that much.

Mike Tomlin would rather have Mason Rudolph then you. That should tell you something.
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Originally posted by miked1978:
Wonder if he wakes up and does any self reflecting? Like how could he have handled himself better in the pre draft process and what did he do wrong if it made every NFL team pass him over multiple times. I get it, you want to be who you are but maybe you need to change a little if its impacting your life that much.

Mike Tomlin would rather have Mason Rudolph then you. That should tell you something.
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Be humble and compete, that's how you make money in the NFL.

i just hate he gets 10,000x more coverage than anyone else like milroe, howard and leonard. they all had to wait to get picked. sanders is no more special than anyone else.

I had a lot of back and forths to say about it with friends, and it got a bit political so I left it out of here. But I thought of a hypothetical and wanted to see what you guys thought.

Say Travis Kelce went to the Hall and took the same route Deion has and was just as brash and outspoken, then had a kid with Taylor who was exactly the same as Shedeur in every way, talent and personality.

Do we think that kid would have fallen as much?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I had a lot of back and forths to say about it with friends, and it got a bit political so I left it out of here. But I thought of a hypothetical and wanted to see what you guys thought.

Say Travis Kelce went to the Hall and took the same route Deion has and was just as brash and outspoken, then had a kid with Taylor who was exactly the same as Shedeur in every way, talent and personality.

Do we think that kid would have fallen as much?

he slid cuz of his game. it has nothing to do with other factors imo. this is the NFL. everyone is getting fired if you don't win games. you need players who can play. this is a 6'1 pocket passer who doesn't have a big arm. where did brock get taken? where did sam howell get taken? you can find articles online saying howell and brock were round 1 guys (at various times in the college career this was speculated)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I had a lot of back and forths to say about it with friends, and it got a bit political so I left it out of here. But I thought of a hypothetical and wanted to see what you guys thought.

Say Travis Kelce went to the Hall and took the same route Deion has and was just as brash and outspoken, then had a kid with Taylor who was exactly the same as Shedeur in every way, talent and personality.

Do we think that kid would have fallen as much?

he slid cuz of his game. it has nothing to do with other factors imo. this is the NFL. everyone is getting fired if you don't win games. you need players who can play. this is a 6'1 pocket passer who doesn't have a big arm. where did brock get taken? where did sam howell get taken? you can find articles online saying howell and brock were round 1 guys (at various times in the college career this was speculated)

His game had a minimum of a 2nd round grade, name the last QB projected as a top 5 pick to go outside of the first 3 rounds, let alone 5.

To be honest I think Deion had more to do with his fall than anything else, but I have my doubts about how much of an impact that would have had in different circumstances.

Howell and Brock may have been spoke about at points of their careers but not as close to the draft as this. Nowhere near the same situation, closest are Levis and Willis.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I had a lot of back and forths to say about it with friends, and it got a bit political so I left it out of here. But I thought of a hypothetical and wanted to see what you guys thought.

Say Travis Kelce went to the Hall and took the same route Deion has and was just as brash and outspoken, then had a kid with Taylor who was exactly the same as Shedeur in every way, talent and personality.

Do we think that kid would have fallen as much?

If the kid just acts ridiculously entitled but lacks the elite athletic talent of his famous dad, sure.

Shedeur isn't some unicorn. He's a decent not great prospect, certainly not good enough to be going into interviews big-timing people like what has been reported.

A lot of times in combine meetings, teams will have a player's worst plays ready for him when he enters the room and, along those lines, one had a particularly rough interception teed up for Sanders in Indianapolis. When asked to explain it, Sanders didn't take blame. And as they dove deeper into it, and how it might relate to the NFL level, Sanders simply concluded that maybe he and the staff he was talking to might not be a match.

Ahead of another visit, he got an install with mistakes intentionally planted in it—done to see if a quarterback would catch them. Sanders didn't catch them. A coach called him on it, and the resulting exchange wasn't pretty.

https://www.si.com/nfl/nfl-draft-takeaways-honest-discussion-about-shedeur-sanders

There were early reports that he completely bombed his interview with the Steelers. Some people denied at it at the time but that a team that needs a QB and has a coach in Tomlin that has extensive experience in dealing with knuckleheads said "nah, we're good!", that speaks volumes.

He has his chance though. Cleveland's QB room is a mess, there is no locked in starter, they have a good defense, a solid run game and OL and added a few more receiving targets. If he doesn't seize it then he'll have no one else to blame but himself.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I had a lot of back and forths to say about it with friends, and it got a bit political so I left it out of here. But I thought of a hypothetical and wanted to see what you guys thought.

Say Travis Kelce went to the Hall and took the same route Deion has and was just as brash and outspoken, then had a kid with Taylor who was exactly the same as Shedeur in every way, talent and personality.

Do we think that kid would have fallen as much?

If Johnny Manziel had a son that acted and played like Johnny Manziel, yes he would fall like Shadeur. IMO

Especially if Jonny Manziel Sr. Told the world he wasn't going to let Jr. Play anywhere. Then have Jr. Not doing a whole lot throughout the draft process.

Fair enough Phoenix, I'll leave it there. It's a perfectly reasonable argument and Shedeur is a very specific case, that's why I threw out the Kelce/Swift theory, I for one believe that kid would be treated a lot differently.

However, I remember the Kap discussions and we don't need to go there again. Even after the NFL have admitted collision and paid out damages people are still stating that was just about football.

The Willie Beamen interview on Any Given Sunday was an amazing piece of film making, and for me speaks a truth, that few wish to acknowledge.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
His game had a minimum of a 2nd round grade, name the last QB projected as a top 5 pick to go outside of the first 3 rounds, let alone 5.

To be honest I think Deion had more to do with his fall than anything else, but I have my doubts about how much of an impact that would have had in different circumstances.

Howell and Brock may have been spoke about at points of their careers but not as close to the draft as this. Nowhere near the same situation, closest are Levis and Willis.

a lot of stuff is being made up here. first, if you look at mocks he was not top 5. in schragers mock he's outside the top 20. this was a trend as we got closer to the draft. he was no longer in the top 5 or top 10. he was sliding in mocks. daniel jeremiah also had sanders going 21, and he wrote this: I'm not convinced the Steelers will take Sanders if he's available, but if he doesn't go here, I'm not sure where he ends up. So he's outright telling you if the steelers aren't in on Sanders, he could be in free fall, which is what took place. malik willis was projected early and went day 2. rodgers was thought was pick 1 overall and was a long wait in the green room. it's all about clubs draft boards. if a club thinks sanders can help them they would take him.

now this statement may be true, maybe deion is good at self promotion (true).

maybe deion hyped himself up, his program up and his son up (true).

maybe the mel kipers and espn which sells ncaa football bought the hype (probably true).

so they made him out to be bigger than he was, and some rubes fell for it. nfl clubs did not.

the insane argument is ppl are acting like clubs would pass up on a generational or an elite QB prospect out of spite lol. yea, nfl teams don't do that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the insane argument is ppl are acting like clubs would pass up on a generational or an elite QB prospect out of spite lol. yea, nfl teams don't do that.

No one is calling him a generational prospect, but he's a much better prospect than Tyler Shough and Dillon Gabriel (who I like) if it was just about football at worst he goes 3rd round, but much more likely 2nd.

Something went on here, and we might never find out exactly what it was, but I think it's extremely naive to think that nothing happened.

Originally posted by krizay:
If Johnny Manziel had a son that acted and played like Johnny Manziel, yes he would fall like Shadeur. IMO

Especially if Jonny Manziel Sr. Told the world he wasn't going to let Jr. Play anywhere. Then have Jr. Not doing a whole lot throughout the draft process.

Possibly, but that's not apples to apples for me, as everyone now knows about Jonny's partying and disregard for football. People say a lot about Deion but he's generally respected.